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Re: Move 16

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Christopher Conkie wrote:But I doubt it will play Bd3 Tano-urayoan
Hello Christopher, do you know the strenght of our opponent, for me Bd3 just loses a tempi, why it did not move it there from the beggining, but without knowing Bd3 combined with h4 (if allowed ) put us in trouble.

My idea is first some defensive moves g6, Kg7 and later regroup and counter.
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Re: Move 16

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Graham Banks wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: a5 is in the lead with 4 votes.
Who is the fourth vote? I see only three - you, Gerold and Miguel. :wink:
I currently see a three way tie between a5, Be4 and g6.
OK
if there is no disagreement
all three moves are tied at this point
Going Out for a ..
Stiff Drink Regards
Steve
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Re: Move 15

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:After 15...Be4; 16.Bd3, Bxd3; 17.cd, I think that we should play the g6 followed by Qa5 plan anyway. Might be okay actually because White has to decide what to do about his a pawn situation. That would allow us to contest the open files.
If Be4 white does not need to play Bd3. Anyway 15...Be4 16. Bd3 BxB 17.cxB g6 18.Qe2 Qa5 19.a3 (b3) (∆Rfc1)±
Check out whether you like the look of this continuation - 15...Be4 16. Bd3 BxB 17.cxB g6 18.Qe2 Qa5 19.a3, Rab8; 20.Rfc1, Rb3.
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Re: Move 16

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Steve B wrote:
Matthias Gemuh wrote:
Steve B wrote: Counting votes is harder then playing Kasparov himself!
:(
Sigh Regards
Steve

The problem is that we have no agreement like

- write only your move
- then skip a line
- then write your bla bla bla.

or

- say you have changed your mind from "move xxx" to "move yyy"
- then skip a line
- then write your bla bla bla.


Matthias.
well you guys could at least place your votes in BOLD or a COLOR..like i do ...but nooooo
make it hard for me why dont you
:P
Steve
I'm making my moves in black.

:P
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Re: Move 16

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...g6 is a horrible move. Why are we losing a tempo and weakening our king's position and potentially our pawns in some distant endgame, without any reason?
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Re: Move 15

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Graham Banks wrote:Check out whether you like the look of this continuation - 15...Be4 16. Bd3 BxB 17.cxB g6 18.Qe2 Qa5 19.a3, Rab8; 20.Rfc1, Rb3.
I like this line Graham. So if after 17...g6 maybe 18. Qc5 Rc8 19. Qa3 What you think of this?
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Re: Move 16

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playjunior wrote:...g6 is a horrible move. Why are we losing a tempo and weakening our king's position and potentially our pawns in some distant endgame, without any reason?
Why Be4? we are a pawn down and want to exchange more pieces?
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How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:But I doubt it will play Bd3 Tano-urayoan
Hello Christopher, do you know the strenght of our opponent, for me Bd3 just loses a tempi, why it did not move it there from the beggining, but without knowing Bd3 combined with h4 (if allowed ) put us in trouble.

My idea is first some defensive moves g6, Kg7 and later regroup and counter.
1. Get yourself a copy of Chessmaster 4000. (Now you know what it will play)
2. Give the position to the top 5 chess engines of today.
3. Choose a move by consensus of the top 5 chess engines.
4. Play that move.
5. Sit back.....relax

I'll say it again loud and clear.

a5

Christopher
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Re: Move 15

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Spock wrote:
Spock wrote:Yes you're right about the bishop - so Be4 is my confirmed vote
I withdraw that vote.
My votes are no good because I am so weak they actually may be dangerous. I will however continue to follow this with huge interest. Big thanks to Steve for running this challenge against his mighty machines
Ray you should be the deciding vote, If you do not withdraw we have a 3 way tie, so if you change your vote any of the other moves you choose will be accepted.

P.d. It seems Be4 is not bad after all.
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Re: Move 16

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It's not really clear what to do here. I don't think g6 is necessary yet, it just pushes the pawn for no reason. It's a good response to Bd3, but it hasn't played that yet. I don't really like Be4 or a5 either...

Just to throw a wrench in the works, what about d5? This might invite a series of stupid computer moves: 16. Bc5 c6 17. Bb4 a5 18. Bc3, and we can play maybe Qc7 or Qb6. We get a bit more space and put pressure on the queen side.

PS. If it really comes down to Be4, g6, and a5 I prefer a5.
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