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Re: Move 16

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If we are going to talk about why the computer is doing its dumb moves, I am sure it played Be2 for mobility reasons, and does not give bonuses for attacking squares near the opponent king (which would have led to Bd3). How to use this type of insight into computer programming I have no idea. I must admit I am not experienced at anti-computer chess, so I am only picking moves for chess purposes.

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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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Graham Banks wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: The real point rather than using software is.....to pull the chess computer out of position.

Many people like to play a move they think of. The best hint one can give to defeating a 2240 chess computer like the TASC R30 is to play almost accurate flank moves. It knows nothing about the sides of the board. It is a very centre orientated machine.

If in doubt....head for the side and a5 fits that criteria nicely.

Christopher
We're a pawn down and so seeking active play is our best chance of getting a good result.
What is the plan or ideas behind a5 (other than your anti-computer theory)?
1st, white may want to squeeze black moving the majority (b4, b5, c4 etc.)
a5 avoids that
2nd, it will mount pressure on the b column after a4, Rb8.
If white wants to release the pressure with b3, we can get rid of the "a" pawn and open columns and diagonals of the Q side.

Miguel
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Re: Move 16

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Zach Wegner wrote:It's not really clear what to do here. I don't think g6 is necessary yet, it just pushes the pawn for no reason. It's a good response to Bd3, but it hasn't played that yet. I don't really like Be4 or a5 either...

Just to throw a wrench in the works, what about d5? This might invite a series of stupid computer moves: 16. Bc5 c6 17. Bb4 a5 18. Bc3, and we can play maybe Qc7 or Qb6. We get a bit more space and put pressure on the queen side.

PS. If it really comes down to Be4, g6, and a5 I prefer a5.
d5 is good move Zach. It starts the push down the middle for
the two middle pawns for black. I think this may be a good
move after a5.
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Re: Move 16

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tano-urayoan wrote:
playjunior wrote:...g6 is a horrible move. Why are we losing a tempo and weakening our king's position and potentially our pawns in some distant endgame, without any reason?
Why Be4? we are a pawn down and want to exchange more pieces?
We want to create a weakness. Now we have 3 pawn chains vs 2, a7 is really weak: with this structure even a pure rook endgame might be lost for us. If we want to defend ANY upcoming endgame, we need to spoil white's structure a bit.

With the isolated pawn on d3 white will have at least one weakness to look after. Advancing the Q-side pawns will be harder too for white.

This is not a dream position, but what is the PLAN after g6? What are we trying to accomplish? We cannot sit and wait for obvious reasons.
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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Graham Banks wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:
1. Get yourself a copy of Chessmaster 4000. (Now you know what it will play)
2. Give the position to the top 5 chess engines of today.
3. Choose a move by consensus of the top 5 chess engines.
4. Play that move.
5. Sit back.....relax

I'll say it again loud and clear.

a5

Christopher
This seems like a lot of work for just a move... ok it will not play Bd3 then what will be the move after a5. Rfc1?h3? a3?
But what if it gets a short circuit, voltage outrage, and plays Bd3, g6 and then...
P.d. Is a5 the move of the top 5 engines?
15.....a5; 16.Rfd1 perhaps?
What is the plan behind a5?
Plan? The plan is to beat it by presenting it with unfamiliar stuff.

a5 is a reasonable flank move.

You would reasonably expect (but nothing is certain) Bc5 from a TASC R30 but it depends how long he leaves it. Bd3 later on if he gives it plenty of time.

If Bc5 then you give it Rf7 is a second.

If Bd3 then g6 to which you would get Qg4 then give it a4!

Christopher
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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michiguel wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: The real point rather than using software is.....to pull the chess computer out of position.

Many people like to play a move they think of. The best hint one can give to defeating a 2240 chess computer like the TASC R30 is to play almost accurate flank moves. It knows nothing about the sides of the board. It is a very centre orientated machine.

If in doubt....head for the side and a5 fits that criteria nicely.

Christopher
We're a pawn down and so seeking active play is our best chance of getting a good result.
What is the plan or ideas behind a5 (other than your anti-computer theory)?
1st, white may want to squeeze black moving the majority (b4, b5, c4 etc.)
a5 avoids that
2nd, it will mount pressure on the b column after a4, Rb8.
If white wants to release the pressure with b3, we can get rid of the "a" pawn and open columns and diagonals of the Q side.

Miguel
Thanks Miguel. That was what I'd presumed also :)
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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So what is the vote tally now ?
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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Spock wrote:So what is the vote tally now ?
No idea Ray (it was a 3 way tie an hour ago). I think they are rethinking their strategy......but who can tell.

:)

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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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michiguel wrote: 1st, white may want to squeeze black moving the majority (b4, b5, c4 etc.)
a5 avoids that
2nd, it will mount pressure on the b column after a4, Rb8.
If white wants to release the pressure with b3, we can get rid of the "a" pawn and open columns and diagonals of the Q side.

Miguel
This all makes sense...it was my motivation when first presenting the ...a5 idea a couple moves ago. I just couldn't find a line I was comfortable with though. most of the time ...a4 ends up running into a b4 counterpunch, and the pressure never seems to add up to much with the pawn on a5(where is limits black's queen and rook a bit in some lines). I was hoping getting the queen in the action first might help (an idea behind ...g6). My chess time has expired though, so no more analysis for me.

-Sam
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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It is the same 3-3-3 tie between Be4, a5, g6