Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Fide master Ori from Israel got first place.
I improved my place to place 9 when there is a big difference in rating to place 8 that is almost 2300.

LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
1 Orichess88 2515.0 64
2 Master_Unknown 2514.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
3 Ushkothebear 2445.6 184
4 Hissha 2398.4 94
5 Omnivor 2396.8 30
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
6 Catecan 2348.8 1288
7 Respectful_Dave 2299.6 74
8 itore 2297.1 43
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
9 uriblass 2231.0 176
10 Spreek 2229.8 45
11 SilverMitt 2223.1 26
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
12 nn1133 2212.6 6346
13 Forgive1219 2202.5 189
14 iWannaSeeYouSmile 2199.8 73
15 Ajktulm 2183.2 244
16 AxelBoldt 2173.3 275
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:13 pm Fide master Ori from Israel got first place.
I improved my place to place 9 when there is a big difference in rating to place 8 that is almost 2300.

LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
1 Orichess88 2515.0 64
2 Master_Unknown 2514.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
3 Ushkothebear 2445.6 184
4 Hissha 2398.4 94
5 Omnivor 2396.8 30
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
6 Catecan 2348.8 1288
7 Respectful_Dave 2299.6 74
8 itore 2297.1 43
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
9 uriblass 2231.0 176
10 Spreek 2229.8 45
11 SilverMitt 2223.1 26
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
12 nn1133 2212.6 6346
13 Forgive1219 2202.5 189
14 iWannaSeeYouSmile 2199.8 73
15 Ajktulm 2183.2 244
16 AxelBoldt 2173.3 275
Congratulations Uri. You go "to
"Ahead of you on the leaderboard is an International Master. I believe that very soon many new ambitious warriors will enter the ring. The forces of Gog and Magog come from the north...on my horse." of wood, on my steed I wield my stave and my shield.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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previous rating list had
uriblass 2226.2 175
new rating list has
uriblass 2231.0 176


I wonder if there is no bug because with K=10 I cannot earn 4.8 elo by a single win against a significantly weaker opponent.
Note also that I had 178 games and not 176 games against the bot many hours before the new list(at the time of this post I have 179 games assuming no bug in the search in lichess)
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:07 pm previous rating list had
uriblass 2226.2 175
new rating list has
uriblass 2231.0 176


I wonder if there is no bug because with K=10 I cannot earn 4.8 elo by a single win against a significantly weaker opponent.
Note also that I had 178 games and not 176 games against the bot many hours before the new list(at the time of this post I have 179 games assuming no bug in the search in lichess)
I'll investigate, thanks for reporting
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Marcus91 »

Marcus91 wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:01 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:07 pm previous rating list had
uriblass 2226.2 175
new rating list has
uriblass 2231.0 176


I wonder if there is no bug because with K=10 I cannot earn 4.8 elo by a single win against a significantly weaker opponent.
Note also that I had 178 games and not 176 games against the bot many hours before the new list(at the time of this post I have 179 games assuming no bug in the search in lichess)
I'll investigate, thanks for reporting
I found the bug, 'K' was stuck at 20 even after 150 games
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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It seems that fixing the bug change the table and now this is the table(I do not complain about reduction in the place of me that is logical but how it is possible that Catecan went down to 2291.9?)

I thought that even with dividing K by 2 considering the fact that he played so many games his rating should not go down by a lot because it already converged to his performance against the bot.
The only case when his rating should go down by a lot is the case that he improved significantly in the last games so the rating still did not converge to be close to the right rating.

Even I went down only by 30 elo or something like that and I could see 2246 or something close earlier after part of the update so I guess it was my rating before fixing the bug.

LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
1 Orichess88 2524.5 73
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
2 Master_Unknown 2514.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
3 Ushkothebear 2443.7 184
4 Hissha 2398.4 94
5 Omnivor 2396.8 30
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
6 Respectful_Dave 2299.6 74
7 itore 2297.1 43
8 Catecan 2291.9 1288
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
9 Sakali 2251.1 146
10 Spreek 2229.8 45
11 sfy2011 2223.6 25
12 SilverMitt 2223.1 26
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
13 uriblass 2216.4 182
14 nn1133 2205.6 6346
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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I can add that I see 182 games for me based on the table when search in lichess sugeest that I played only 181 games.
The leader has 65 games based on search and the table suggest 73 games and earlier showed 64 games.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm It seems that fixing the bug change the table and now this is the table(I do not complain about reduction in the place of me that is logical but how it is possible that Catecan went down to 2291.9?)

I thought that even with dividing K by 2 considering the fact that he played so many games his rating should not go down by a lot because it already converged to his performance against the bot.
The only case when his rating should go down by a lot is the case that he improved significantly in the last games so the rating still did not converge to be close to the right rating.

Even I went down only by 30 elo or something like that and I could see 2246 or something close earlier after part of the update so I guess it was my rating before fixing the bug.

LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
1 Orichess88 2524.5 73
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
2 Master_Unknown 2514.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
3 Ushkothebear 2443.7 184
4 Hissha 2398.4 94
5 Omnivor 2396.8 30
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
6 Respectful_Dave 2299.6 74
7 itore 2297.1 43
8 Catecan 2291.9 1288
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
9 Sakali 2251.1 146
10 Spreek 2229.8 45
11 sfy2011 2223.6 25
12 SilverMitt 2223.1 26
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
13 uriblass 2216.4 182
14 nn1133 2205.6 6346
...Uri... Thanks again. for your help and solidarity with me; The truth, tangible and palpable, deducible and verifiable, is to observe how content mandates are first developed.
"particular, personal and concrete" in order to deduct points, now who will understand the reason for my loss of my elo overnight? I wouldn't be surprised at all if more openings and defenses contain a degraded value. For those reasons Uri, it is very important to simply trust in the truth... freedom is born and lives in the truth, not in the factor, "X K Z".. I have always been a hindrance, a stone in the shoes of the elites , there is nothing new here Uri.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Finally I could win 10 games in a row against the easiest opponent:LeelaQueenOdds as black 15+10 (Reference) 2027.3
I won in all the games 40-9 or 81.633% or performance of 2285-2286 based on my calculation(81% is 251 elo difference and 82% is 262 elo difference).
38-7 and 4 draws is the total result against her that is practically 39-8 result if I redice draw weight by 2 or 82.979% that I can translate to performance of 2300.

The last win was also the win with the smallest number of moves and I won with 33 moves.

search suggest that I have 185 games against LeelaQueenOdds but at the time of the last rating list I had less games against the bot than the 182 that is written.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:14 pm It seems that fixing the bug change the table and now this is the table(I do not complain about reduction in the place of me that is logical but how it is possible that Catecan went down to 2291.9?)

I thought that even with dividing K by 2 considering the fact that he played so many games his rating should not go down by a lot because it already converged to his performance against the bot.
The only case when his rating should go down by a lot is the case that he improved significantly in the last games so the rating still did not converge to be close to the right rating.

Even I went down only by 30 elo or something like that and I could see 2246 or something close earlier after part of the update so I guess it was my rating before fixing the bug.

LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
1 Orichess88 2524.5 73
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
2 Master_Unknown 2514.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
3 Ushkothebear 2443.7 184
4 Hissha 2398.4 94
5 Omnivor 2396.8 30
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
6 Respectful_Dave 2299.6 74
7 itore 2297.1 43
8 Catecan 2291.9 1288
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
9 Sakali 2251.1 146
10 Spreek 2229.8 45
11 sfy2011 2223.6 25
12 SilverMitt 2223.1 26
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
13 uriblass 2216.4 182
14 nn1133 2205.6 6346
Catecan went down because its recent performance is better than its older performance, all it has to do is maintain this performance and it will continue to rise.