geots wrote:
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
I agree with you George that this case now must be taken - in special and most of all if they dont show up with absolute proof - to identify the participants of the smear activities so that they are branded with this intentional harm doing against the actually best ever programmer of CC. All in a row as there are, sorry if I count them up, but justice must be done: Bob, Zach, Norm and Christophe. And perhaps some other supporters. We are not the USA here and we have no Bush above us and we have no Guantanamo extra-justice illegal playground where we could enjoy the besmearing of someone like Vas, one of the most polite, civilized and generous members of our community who never said something negative about anyone here.
Insofar I disagrfee with you George that this case should just burn out. No, he should be taken as a base for a better future handling of the topic in our midsth. The four main actors must be held visibly identifiable for what the have done. As I said in case they dont present unrefutrable details of proof soon!
Bollocks!
Let Vas speak, has he no tongue? No one is going to do a damn thing!
Enough!
Why does he need to speak when no case has been put?
Then why do any of you speak.
You're wasting bandwidth!
Vas hasn't been accused of cloning and Hyatt et al don't really have any interest in this matter.
There is no conspiracy here! There is No Witch Hunt....all of this is opinion and conjecture to defame Bob, Zach, Christophe and Norm and it must stop!
Vas hasn't been harmed and his name isn't being dragged anywhere expect by the few who want to bring this up again before proper work can determine what if anything that Vas _may_ have not done correctly.
If it were anyone else but Vas there would be no wild accusations by the Rybka Worshippers.
Terry McCracken wrote:
Then why do any of you speak.
You're wasting bandwidth!
Vas hasn't been accused of cloning and Hyatt et al don't really have any interest in this matter.
There is no conspiracy here! There is No Witch Hunt....all of this is opinion and conjecture to defame Bob, Zach, Christophe and Norm and it must stop!
Vas hasn't been harmed and his name isn't being dragged anywhere expect by the few who want to bring this up again before proper work can determine what if anything that Vas _may_ have not done correctly.
If it were anyone else but Vas there would be no wild accusations by the Rybka Worshippers.
This is ridiculous!
You think I'm a Rybka worshipper? Visit the CCRL public forum and see how many engines I test.
I'm speaking out for fair play.
If it wasn't such a big deal, then why are these programmers supposedly giving up hundreds of hours that they could better spend improving their own engines?
Terry McCracken wrote:
Then why do any of you speak.
You're wasting bandwidth!
Vas hasn't been accused of cloning and Hyatt et al don't really have any interest in this matter.
There is no conspiracy here! There is No Witch Hunt....all of this is opinion and conjecture to defame Bob, Zach, Christophe and Norm and it must stop!
Vas hasn't been harmed and his name isn't being dragged anywhere expect by the few who want to bring this up again before proper work can determine what if anything that Vas _may_ have not done correctly.
If it were anyone else but Vas there would be no wild accusations by the Rybka Worshippers.
This is ridiculous!
You think I'm a Rybka worshipper? Visit the CCRL public forum and see how many engines I test.
I'm speaking out for fair play.
If it wasn't such a big deal, then why are these programmers supposedly giving up hundreds of hours that they could better spend improving their own engines?
Not only this but didnt they go public with their wild allegations for months?? Is this now the hour of Terry to give a true historical review by claiming they dint do any harm they are just working hard now? So if a riot happens and then stops for who knows how long, then Terry can define when and how quick every topic with riot must cease to exists? I mean who is Terry?
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
Terry McCracken wrote:
Then why do any of you speak.
You're wasting bandwidth!
Vas hasn't been accused of cloning and Hyatt et al don't really have any interest in this matter.
There is no conspiracy here! There is No Witch Hunt....all of this is opinion and conjecture to defame Bob, Zach, Christophe and Norm and it must stop!
Vas hasn't been harmed and his name isn't being dragged anywhere expect by the few who want to bring this up again before proper work can determine what if anything that Vas _may_ have not done correctly.
If it were anyone else but Vas there would be no wild accusations by the Rybka Worshippers.
This is ridiculous!
You think I'm a Rybka worshipper? Visit the CCRL public forum and see how many engines I test.
I'm speaking out for fair play.
If it wasn't such a big deal, then why are these programmers supposedly giving up hundreds of hours that they could better spend improving their own engines?
Not only this but didnt they go public with their wild allegations for months?? Is this now the hour of Terry to give a true historical review by claiming they dint do any harm they are just working hard now? So if a riot happens and then stops for who knows how long, then Terry can define when and how quick every topic with riot must cease to exists? I mean who is Terry?
Terry McCracken wrote:
Then why do any of you speak.
You're wasting bandwidth!
Vas hasn't been accused of cloning and Hyatt et al don't really have any interest in this matter.
There is no conspiracy here! There is No Witch Hunt....all of this is opinion and conjecture to defame Bob, Zach, Christophe and Norm and it must stop!
Vas hasn't been harmed and his name isn't being dragged anywhere expect by the few who want to bring this up again before proper work can determine what if anything that Vas _may_ have not done correctly.
If it were anyone else but Vas there would be no wild accusations by the Rybka Worshippers.
This is ridiculous!
You think I'm a Rybka worshipper? Visit the CCRL public forum and see how many engines I test.
I'm speaking out for fair play.
If it wasn't such a big deal, then why are these programmers supposedly giving up hundreds of hours that they could better spend improving their own engines?
Not only this but didnt they go public with their wild allegations for months?? Is this now the hour of Terry to give a true historical review by claiming they dint do any harm they are just working hard now? So if a riot happens and then stops for who knows how long, then Terry can define when and how quick every topic with riot must cease to exists? I mean who is Terry?
Somone with a bloody brain, that's who!
Your deceit will bury you.
Terry - weren't you lambasting members for supposedly resorting to personal attacks against others?
Terry McCracken wrote:Somone with a bloody brain, that's who!
Your deceit will bury you.
Terry,
This post got a complaint. Personally I don't see it as an attack, but I think this thread is getting out of hand. Everybody here should stay civil, no need to get emotional. Any further trouble here and the thread will get locked or deleted.
Terry McCracken wrote:Somone with a bloody brain, that's who!
Your deceit will bury you.
Terry,
This post got a complaint. Personally I don't see it as an attack, but I think this thread is getting out of hand. Everybody here should stay civil, no need to get emotional. Any further trouble here and the thread will get locked or deleted.
Zach
The implication is that Rolf doesn't have a brain.
If I asked you whether you had a brain, wouldn't you see that as offensive?
Terry McCracken wrote:
Then why do any of you speak.
You're wasting bandwidth!
Vas hasn't been accused of cloning and Hyatt et al don't really have any interest in this matter.
There is no conspiracy here! There is No Witch Hunt....all of this is opinion and conjecture to defame Bob, Zach, Christophe and Norm and it must stop!
Vas hasn't been harmed and his name isn't being dragged anywhere expect by the few who want to bring this up again before proper work can determine what if anything that Vas _may_ have not done correctly.
If it were anyone else but Vas there would be no wild accusations by the Rybka Worshippers.
This is ridiculous!
You think I'm a Rybka worshipper? Visit the CCRL public forum and see how many engines I test.
I'm speaking out for fair play.
If it wasn't such a big deal, then why are these programmers supposedly giving up hundreds of hours that they could better spend improving their own engines?
I can't say what you are Graham, but it's you and others that consider some top people here jackals!!!
Look it was brought to the forum like so many other engines that have been discussed in the past without this madness but bring Rybka into this well then a volcano erupts!
You guys screamed for evidence and it was provided. You screamed for proof and some of that was provided. Now YOU DEMAND answers on YOUR TIMETABLE while doing nothing at all other than attack top people in the field personally!!
That is Reprehensible!!!
It should stop now! In several months we may learn the whole truth, but not with people trying to impede the process!!
Last edited by Terry McCracken on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
?? He didn't ask Rolf if he had a brain. I believe Terry was just saying that he had a brain, nothing more. Rolf asks "who is Terry?", Terry responds "someone with a brain." No attack IMO, but other mods may disagree.
