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Re: Crimson 1.1 available

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Christopher Conkie wrote:
Graham Banks wrote: Norman - why didn't you just develop your own original engine as you said you would? You obviously have the necessary skills.
No.....it's not obvious at all that he has the skills. In fact the reverse is true.
"If you can't beat the best, then cheat the best!" :lol: Man, Charles Roberson was so correct in our talks on this subject.
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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AdminX wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:
Graham Banks wrote: Norman - why didn't you just develop your own original engine as you said you would? You obviously have the necessary skills.
No.....it's not obvious at all that he has the skills. In fact the reverse is true.
"If you can't beat the best, then cheat the best!" :lol: Man, Charles Roberson was so correct in our talks on this subject.
Before......
crimson is a new UCI chess engine, based partly on alderon.
After.......
crimson is a new strong UCI compatible hybrid open source chess engine, based on alderon, with code from Fruit 2.1 by Fabien Letouzey and Viper 0.1 by Tord Romstadt.
:lol:

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Re: Crimson 1.1 available

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kranium wrote:major changes:

eval/material/search parameters tuned
code cleanup/optimization
middlegame -> endgame evaluation/recognition improved
piece square-tables tweaked
verification search removed

http://www.cyclonechess.com/crimson.html

Regards-
Norm
It seems that now you are trapped as cloner again you have the idea to come back with a crimson 1.2 opensource like you did before!??
I hope nobody will ever use any engine from "you" no matter under which conditions you release your clones!!
I have also add it tho my newspage http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/newspage.htm and it will stay there as sticky for a pretty long time!

Good bye "Mr N.Schmidt"

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Re: Crimson 1.1 available

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:
Graham Banks wrote: Norman - why didn't you just develop your own original engine as you said you would? You obviously have the necessary skills.
No.....it's not obvious at all that he has the skills. In fact the reverse is true.
Agreed,and after this fiesta I am afraid that no one will take him seriously anymore....
BTW,Christopher,is the similarity with Tord's Viper a big one,I mean is Crimson almost identical with it :!: :?:
Mayba Norm changed or let's say tuned another line here and there to make it stronger....
Thanks again regards,
Dr.D
He started disabling things without taking them all away....leaving remnants of what it was, some of which even still work (FRC).

I won't tell you much, but it is obvious that Crimson was once SMP for example. Now it is set to just one thread.

If I were to give you a percentage of how much Crimson is Viper, I would have to say it's over 97%. It's just rearranged and has had bits chopped out.

Christopher
Thanks,all clear now 8-)
Dr.D
Don't forget to thank me too, I started the fire :wink:

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Re: Crimson 1.1 available

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kranium wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
slobo wrote: Norm, keep on working on your clone.
If Tord is really the original author, keep him informed what you are doing. It is only the problem between you two. Keep the "mob" far from it.
What a sick and sad attitude. No wonder there are illegal clones around when people like you encourage them. You should be ashamed!
a small part of the executable for Rybka 1.0 was decompiled and many many dozens of lines of code were found to match Fruit 2.1 almost excatly...

the chess engine community tyrned a blind eye and said 'no problem'...

it it the chess engine community itself that did the most promote 'illegal' clones by not acting on this clear and compelling evidence that Rybka 1.0 was illegitimate derivative of Fruit 2.1.

http://www.chesslogik.com/controversies/
Norm,

as I told you some time ago, you should have worked on your clone in silence, and announce it as a new brand original engine, but only when you reach the Rybka´s strength.

You did not listen to my advice, and the same problem comes again.

Never mind. Try again. My advice is the same, because remember:
all those people who blame you now will contect you to by your engine if it is able to beat Rybka.

So, keep on working hard on what you like to do. And even if you do not succed in acomplishing your goal, never mind: you will spend your time doing what you like to do.

The only mistake you commited was not have conntected the original author.

Could you explain it to me: why did you repeat the same mistake?

Regards.
SL
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Oh Lord, please don´t let me be misunderstood."
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Re: Crimson 1.1 available

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slobo wrote:
kranium wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
slobo wrote: Norm, keep on working on your clone.
If Tord is really the original author, keep him informed what you are doing. It is only the problem between you two. Keep the "mob" far from it.
What a sick and sad attitude. No wonder there are illegal clones around when people like you encourage them. You should be ashamed!
a small part of the executable for Rybka 1.0 was decompiled and many many dozens of lines of code were found to match Fruit 2.1 almost excatly...

the chess engine community tyrned a blind eye and said 'no problem'...

it it the chess engine community itself that did the most promote 'illegal' clones by not acting on this clear and compelling evidence that Rybka 1.0 was illegitimate derivative of Fruit 2.1.

http://www.chesslogik.com/controversies/
Norm,

as I told you some time ago, you should have worked on your clone in silence, and announce it as a new brand original engine, but only when you reach the Rybka´s strength.

You did not listen to my advice, and the same problem comes again.

Never mind. Try again. My advice is the same, because remember:
all those people who blame you now will contect you to by your engine if it is able to beat Rybka.

So, keep on working hard on what you like to do. And even if you do not succed in acomplishing your goal, never mind: you will spend your time doing what you like to do.

The only mistake you commited was not have conntected the original author.

Could you explain it to me: why did you repeat the same mistake?

Regards.
SL
Because he can only clone and never reach rybka's strength on his own.
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Re: Crimson 1.1 available

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Just one note on this drama. A freeware author releases an engine. One says it's a clone. All believe it because of one little string and bash the "poor" guy.

I don't want to protect Mr. Schmidt, and I believe Chris. I am just curious

Remember what happened in the past? A commercial author released an engine. Many people spent their money in it. Many experts say it's a clone, post lots of different proves. Noone want to believe it...

Well, idc. Spend your money in whatever you like :lol:
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Alexander Schmidt wrote:Just one note on this drama. A freeware author releases an engine. One says it's a clone. All believe it because of one little string and bash the "poor" guy.

I don't want to protect Mr. Schmidt, and I believe Chris. I am just curious

Remember what happened in the past? A commercial author released an engine. Many people spent their money in it. Many experts say it's a clone, post lots of different proves. Noone want to believe it...

Well, idc. Spend your money in whatever you like :lol:

Totally agreed. BTW, I think it is very strange that Norman Schmidt is doing the same thing twice. Could it be all just a mistake? Are we not judging to quickly? Why would he clone an engine intended "to serve as a simple instructional example for beginning chess programmers who want to write a parallel search"? I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me.
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matejst wrote:I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me.

For me it looks like he wanted to let the community look in the mirror :)
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Re: Crimson 1.1 available

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Alexander Schmidt wrote:
matejst wrote:I am confused. It doesn't make sense to me.

For me it looks like he wanted to let the community look in the mirror :)
Hi Alex,

The point being? Few of us programs engines, even fewer illegal clones...
Are you adressing something in particular?
Henrik