But for the record, others have used fast time controls well prior to Rybka.
In that case BB+'s statement was completely incorrect. My apologies for relying on it,
I think that Vas' contribution was to use fast time controls, play tens of thousands of games, and then use something like BayesElo to analyze the results. Testing has been around for a long time. It has now become a well-known way to improve an engine.
Vas might have coined the phrase "hyper-bullet". Bullet coming from ICC bullet time controls, hyper having the obvious meaning. But I have believed, for _MANY_ years, that the main advantage the commercial guys had was that they tested better. I sat out to at least match that approach, and did so.
garybelton wrote:Agreed. But to redress the balance we have seen a big personal attack on a person that raised the chess bar by +300 elo. As a chess consumer I like to see a little balance.
Raising the bar, and raising the bar ethically are two different things. One to be cheered, one to be jeered.
This is not about forgiving, it is about a search for the truth. One can't be forgiven until they _ask_ for forgiveness in some way. That has _not_ happened.
As a chess consumer, both to be cheered. As a young man I wrote a lot of codes. The important thing is not the codes, it is the ideas behind the codes. Once the ideas come out, there are many ways of expressing them in code. The important thing is the ideas. You might call these ideas algorithms, but they are ideas. Those are the gold.
As a chess consumer, both to be cheered. As a young man I wrote a lot of codes. The important thing is not the codes, it is the ideas behind the codes. Once the ideas come out, there are many ways of expressing them in code. The important thing is the ideas. You might call these ideas algorithms, but they are ideas. Those are the gold.
Sorry, but ethically I can not cheer someone that steals from others, then purports the product they produce to be "100% original". Everyone has to have some sort of ethical boundary, somewhere.
Ideas are the cornerstone of chess program development, of course. At least when one develops a program in the normal way, by writing his own. But if you cross the line to copying source code, the concept of ideas fades away because now you are copying something that was not yours to copy. That is stealing. And stealing is clearly immoral and unethical.
garybelton wrote:Did you see a sign in that passage about ASKING?? Or are you rewriting The Bible now?
Guy kills a person. Do you forgive him on the spot? He kills again. Do you forgive him for that as well?
One has to read the bible with a bit of interpretation. Seems to me the bible repeatedly refers to "ask for forgiveness". Keyword "ask". Which implies some remorse for the act in question...
One has to read the bible with a bit of interpretation.
I agree with this, but that passage is very clear and is testing you. Think how you will respond. Computer Chess (or anything in this world) is very small in comparison to where you end up for eternity. Anyway, that is my belief, I know it's not shared by a lot in these days. Think.
