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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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lkaufman wrote:The MP work is basically a one-time thing. Once it's done, all future versions of SP will be automatically also be available as MP. Of course it's always possible to improve MP without working on SP, but any gains from this should be pretty small on normal hardware.
Hi Larry, the real problem of Komodo is that when it finally is released other engines will be much stronger than now, i refer to Rybka, Houdini, Critter and perhaps Shredder (i doubt anyway).

Wasn'it better to release one or more intermediate versions, SP, instead of trying to get the best goal in only one shot?

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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:The MP work is basically a one-time thing. Once it's done, all future versions of SP will be automatically also be available as MP. Of course it's always possible to improve MP without working on SP, but any gains from this should be pretty small on normal hardware.
Hi Larry, the real problem of Komodo is that when it finally is released other engines will be much stronger than now, i refer to Rybka, Houdini, Critter and perhaps Shredder (i doubt anyway).

Wasn'it better to release one or more intermediate versions, SP, instead of trying to get the best goal in only one shot?

Regards
Rybka will never be released....Rybka 5 is a myth....
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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:The MP work is basically a one-time thing. Once it's done, all future versions of SP will be automatically also be available as MP. Of course it's always possible to improve MP without working on SP, but any gains from this should be pretty small on normal hardware.
Hi Larry, the real problem of Komodo is that when it finally is released other engines will be much stronger than now, i refer to Rybka, Houdini, Critter and perhaps Shredder (i doubt anyway).

Wasn'it better to release one or more intermediate versions, SP, instead of trying to get the best goal in only one shot?

Regards
Rybka will never be released....Rybka 5 is a myth....
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Hi Doc,

I think ChessBase has many interests in releasing Rybka 5 but we will see what's going to happen....

I wouldn't like to be mr Houdart to face a really improved Rybka 5....the throne would be in terrible danger.

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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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MM wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:The MP work is basically a one-time thing. Once it's done, all future versions of SP will be automatically also be available as MP. Of course it's always possible to improve MP without working on SP, but any gains from this should be pretty small on normal hardware.
Hi Larry, the real problem of Komodo is that when it finally is released other engines will be much stronger than now, i refer to Rybka, Houdini, Critter and perhaps Shredder (i doubt anyway).

Wasn'it better to release one or more intermediate versions, SP, instead of trying to get the best goal in only one shot?

Regards
Rybka will never be released....Rybka 5 is a myth....
Dr.D
Hi Doc,

I think ChessBase has many interests in releasing Rybka 5 but we will see what's going to happen....

I wouldn't like to be mr Houdart to face a really improved Rybka 5....the throne would be in terrible danger.

Regards
Yep,I guess we'll live & see :D
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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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chessbase has interests in selling a chess program that is based on stolen software parts ???

i doubt this.


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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:The MP work is basically a one-time thing. Once it's done, all future versions of SP will be automatically also be available as MP. Of course it's always possible to improve MP without working on SP, but any gains from this should be pretty small on normal hardware.
Hi Larry, the real problem of Komodo is that when it finally is released other engines will be much stronger than now, i refer to Rybka, Houdini, Critter and perhaps Shredder (i doubt anyway).

Wasn'it better to release one or more intermediate versions, SP, instead of trying to get the best goal in only one shot?

Regards
If we release sometime this month, do you really expect all of those programs to be out with upgrades? Maybe Critter, possibly Houdini. We've been promising MP for a while now, so we felt that releasing more SP versions without MP wouldn't look good.
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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:The MP work is basically a one-time thing. Once it's done, all future versions of SP will be automatically also be available as MP. Of course it's always possible to improve MP without working on SP, but any gains from this should be pretty small on normal hardware.
Hi Larry, the real problem of Komodo is that when it finally is released other engines will be much stronger than now, i refer to Rybka, Houdini, Critter and perhaps Shredder (i doubt anyway).

Wasn'it better to release one or more intermediate versions, SP, instead of trying to get the best goal in only one shot?

Regards
Hi Maurizio,

That's not what is happening here. We basically get interested in making releases when we perceive there has been a large enough improvement to make it exciting for everyone. We don't have a fixed release schedule. It doesn't have much to do with anyone else because what YOU see is not what we see. We see gradual progress and you see these versions that each much stronger than the previous but the release schedule and how it coincides with everyone else's release schedule is not predictable. We know what we have now, but we don't know what Houdart has or what Joe Blow has and it's a waste of energy for us to speculate on it.

To me this is a marathon race where we are in it for the long haul and we do not let ourselves be victimized by the peculiarities of the release schedule where you might happen to be riding high in April and then shot down in May. We can let everyone else worry about that. In fact in the same way that we have testers I think we also have people who do our worrying for us :-)

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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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mclane wrote:chessbase has interests in selling a chess program that is based on stolen software parts ???

i doubt this.


no serious company is interested in selling a stolen car.
Many people do not agree with the definition that rybka is based on stolen software parts.

I do not agree with it and I think Ed also does not agree with it.
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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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lkaufman wrote:
MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:The MP work is basically a one-time thing. Once it's done, all future versions of SP will be automatically also be available as MP. Of course it's always possible to improve MP without working on SP, but any gains from this should be pretty small on normal hardware.
Hi Larry, the real problem of Komodo is that when it finally is released other engines will be much stronger than now, i refer to Rybka, Houdini, Critter and perhaps Shredder (i doubt anyway).

Wasn'it better to release one or more intermediate versions, SP, instead of trying to get the best goal in only one shot?

Regards
If we release sometime this month, do you really expect all of those programs to be out with upgrades? Maybe Critter, possibly Houdini. We've been promising MP for a while now, so we felt that releasing more SP versions without MP wouldn't look good.
Yes Larry, if you release sometime in this month you will avoid for some weeks the new version of Houdini (scheduled for september) and for some days the new Critter.

But i doubt that you will release a MP within june, honestly i don't see any indications about a near release but i would be happy if i was wrong.

As regards the SP, a new version would be appreciated (i am not the first to say so) by customers, i don't see reasons to not release improved SP versions just because MP is not ready but...this is just my opinion.

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Re: Komodo 4 MP

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Uri Blass wrote:
mclane wrote:chessbase has interests in selling a chess program that is based on stolen software parts ???

i doubt this.


no serious company is interested in selling a stolen car.
Many people do not agree with the definition that rybka is based on stolen software parts.

I do not agree with it and I think Ed also does not agree with it.
If i'm not wrong actually Chessbase is selling Rybka, isnt it?
But its not time to resume old discussions and i am not a rybka fan boy but i believe that the evaluation of rybka is very nice and if Rybka could be improved in depth search it would become a terrrible opponent for Houdini.

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