What about...... a programmers code?

[rodolfoleoni]

The list of honor ( http://www.top-5000.nl/test.htm ) is still poor, but perhaps there is still someone with the balls, in this strange world of empty words.

The Baron has demonstrated the ability to go beyond mere talk. I greet the Baron, and I honor you!

You've been very honest when declaring Vitruvius origins. I still hope Vitruvius is an experience step which could bring you to develope a fully original engine, from scratch.

[mar]

Reminds me of indulgence.
Declare your clone a derivative and be praised!
Those who don't sign be damned forever!


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No thanks

[rodolfoleoni]

Reminds me of indulgence.
Declare your clone a derivative and be praised!
Those who don't sign be damned forever!


...
No thanks

Hi Martin,

it seems to me a declaration of good intentions by all programmers who registered. This list of people could eventually evolve into an association which could be in line or not with ICGA, it will depend on them. But, as ICGA has no jurisdiction on engines which never partecipated at its events, I hope a neutral panel could eventually give us the verdict on Ippolit, if it's legal or not, basing its decision only on facts. This decision will say us if Ippo derivatives should be considered legal or not, also.

Or, maybe, I'm a dreamer.... but I support this idea as it goes towards a positive direction. While divided, the community can do almost nothing about anything. But, if honest programmers can put their efforts together....

[mar]

Hi Rodolfo,

My post was directed to a guy making theatrical statements here about "honor" (cheap poses in my point of view), while himself selling a clone
Not that I would care but my definition of honor and honesty is obviously different from Roberto's. I don't really care who and why signed, but certainly he is the one last guys i would expect to moralize here.
Everyone is free to either sign or not sign. Others ought to respect that instead of provoking.
That's freedom of choice.
I don't doubt the motives of the others who signed though. Good luck with that.

Martin

[Carotino]

Hi Rodolfo,

My post was directed to a guy making theatrical statements here about "honor" (cheap poses in my point of view), while himself selling a clone
Not that I would care but my definition of honor and honesty is obviously different from Roberto's. I don't really care who and why signed, but certainly he is the one last guys i would expect to moralize here.
Everyone is free to either sign or not sign. Others ought to respect that instead of provoking.
That's freedom of choice.
I don't doubt the motives of the others who signed though. Good luck with that.

Martin

Martin, you've misunderstood, I do not mean to moralize or anything. Indeed! My, were simple considerations.
Is more than a year is being discussed and not clones of clones, virgins and whores ... Never come to a conclusion.
Finally someone (Ed) takes a bold decision, asking to sign a simple declaration and ... Puff! They all turn away and pretend to nothing!

Your answer? You keep talking about "moral" but do not want to sign. In any case, it seems to me that Ed does not have a gun. Everyone is free to decide whether to join or not.

[michiguel]

Hi Rodolfo,

My post was directed to a guy making theatrical statements here about "honor" (cheap poses in my point of view), while himself selling a clone
Not that I would care but my definition of honor and honesty is obviously different from Roberto's. I don't really care who and why signed, but certainly he is the one last guys i would expect to moralize here.
Everyone is free to either sign or not sign. Others ought to respect that instead of provoking.
That's freedom of choice.
I don't doubt the motives of the others who signed though. Good luck with that.

Martin

Martin, you've misunderstood, I do not mean to moralize or anything. Indeed! My, were simple considerations.
Is more than a year is being discussed and not clones of clones, virgins and whores ... Never come to a conclusion.
Finally someone (Ed) takes a bold decision, asking to sign a simple declaration and ... Puff! They all turn away and pretend to nothing!

Your answer? You keep talking about "moral" but do not want to sign. In any case, it seems to me that Ed does not have a gun. Everyone is free to decide whether to join or not.

Signing an honor code does not give any superiority whatsoever to judge whoever decided not to sign or make comments about it. It completely defeats the purpose. It is a personal commitment and statement, not an instrument for taunting.

Miguel

[Carotino]

Miguel, I'm not making fun of anyone. I am limited to describing the facts and writing some conclusions. Really, I was surprised by the low number of signatories.
Finally someone gives you a tool (simple, clear and effective) to overcome the current deadlock and ... Falls silent!
I do not want to moralize or accuse anyone, mine is a real surprise.

[Rebel]

Miguel, I'm not making fun of anyone. I am limited to describing the facts and writing some conclusions. Really, I was surprised by the low number of signatories.
Finally someone gives you a tool (simple, clear and effective) to overcome the current deadlock and ... Falls silent!
I do not want to moralize or accuse anyone, mine is a real surprise.

Part is my Rybka reputation, some people think it is my latest trick. Therefore if someone else wants to maintain the list gimme a yell.

[rodolfoleoni]

Miguel, I'm not making fun of anyone. I am limited to describing the facts and writing some conclusions. Really, I was surprised by the low number of signatories.
Finally someone gives you a tool (simple, clear and effective) to overcome the current deadlock and ... Falls silent!
I do not want to moralize or accuse anyone, mine is a real surprise.

Part is my Rybka reputation, some people think it is my latest trick. Therefore if someone else wants to maintain the list gimme a yell.

Code: Select all

I further declare: 

1. Not to copy the work of other programmers without their express permission.

2. Not to reverse engineer the work of other programmers without their express permission.

3. When I use an idea from other people I will mention the source in the README file unless they are widely recognized, standard, and present in the chess programming Wiki. The latter to avoid listing zobrist, alpha beta etc. 

This is the extract of this "Code of Honor" which seems so difficult to support. I don't see how Rybka affair has something to do with that. They are fully agreeable rules, I expected only Y. Osipov was against them. How many programmers does agree with them, but have other "reasons" not to subscribe? Is it possible CC community is such divided so most programmers can agree nothing?

I ask Ed to keep the list alive. It's a proof of his effort of doing something positive.

And, please, note that I (and Richard Pijl as well) disagree with him about Rybka. But Richard subscribed.

[bnemias]

What about...... a programmers code?

DRAFT (to be worked on)

I hereby declare that the origin of my program:

a) is an original work
b) is a derivative from xxxxx

I hereby solemnly promise:

1. Not to copy the work of other programmers without their express permission.

2. Not to RE the work of other programmers without their express permission.

3. When I use an idea I will mention the source in the README file.

Signature

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Maintain a web-page of those who signed. I offer my space and time.

Good luck with that. I can not describe how utterly wasteful this type of thing is.

Honest or dishonest, it's just a piece of red tape to be done without thought. If you actually consider the implications, the README file would be gigabytes in size.