What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

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@FrankQ

Why do you think senpai 1.0 is without bitboards?

Here: https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Senpai
and here: http://www.chessprogramming.net/senpai/
is written Senpai is a bitboard engine.

Did i miss something?

Or do you mean the mentioned option to "implement MAGIC bitboards later" which will speedup e.g. computing attack arrays etc.?

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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

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Hi,

mistake in my message!
Wrote it to an other member!

Sorry!
Means Magic Bitboards!
Senpai have own bitboards no Magic bitboards and this can be a lot.

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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

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Hi Frank!

Yes i hope that Fabian continiues work on senpai too.

But he said that beeing a Forum Admin takes too much time and therefore he hasn't time to work on senpai.


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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

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hgm wrote:
Rebel wrote:Give me one good reason why he would return to the people who slaughtered him.
$ :lol:

Vas dropped out of the game not because he was 'slaughtered'. Rybka was still selling well enough. He dropped out because any new ideas of his were stolen and published just days after he released a new version implementing them.
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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

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Hi Frank,

in my opinion Fabian is one of the most talented programmers we ever seen. I have a lot of respect for his work because he know what he do to 100%. I am sure Fabian read sources others read a book and understand all directly. A lot of talented programmers are available for us, a good example is TalkChess ... we can see it and read it.

We should respect what Fabian or others do and never we should ... to Camouflage!!!!!!!!

Often I am thinking that others try to claim works by others for the own.

But honestly, a small Group.
Most of programmers are working on own ideas and we can see it every day.

Yes, I hope that Fabian will continue on Senpai. He made the first step to a TOP engine. On the other hand all could be boring for him. Not easy to motivate such a programmer with bad English :-)

All the time I admire his open and friendly personality. Same for Tord. I am waiting of the day Tord and Fabian build a team. I wrote that directly to Tord in my interview I made with him.

Could be a dream team ...
On the other hand we have dream Teams today. Looking in Stockfish development and what the Komodo team do.

Not easy for one person to outdo that all.

I must loud laugh in times the ChessTiger programmer wrote here ... never an Amateur can beat a Commercial engine. A Group of talented programmer are allways stronger! In the past the Commercials have a big Advantage, today not longer to see.

But different Commercial develops Comes with a great style. Hiarcs and Junior for examples. Never I will missed such commercial developments.

Best for you and sorry for my mistake.
Hope Fabian will not read it ... he will kill me.

:-)

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Frank
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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

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Frank Quisinsky wrote:Hi Sedat,

I am not saying Rybka is a full clone.
I am saying that Vas never speak about it from where from his knowlege before he starts with Rybka 1. I say that I am sure that Vas is a talented programmer but goes the wrong way. And I am saying that I will read in readme.txt ...

I am using the ideas from ... if so!
That's all ...

Have a look in the first message from today to Ed.
My 5 Points ...

That's the reason I dislike Rybka!
Very easy to understand I think!

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Frank

Hello Frank,

I have difficulties to understand you really...

In your eyes,
Norman's work is original, where Vas's work is not...

In your eyes,
Fabien's work is original, where Vas's work not...

In your eyes,
Richard's work is original, where Vas's work not...

Etc..and etc...

Well...but I have to disagree with you, but I however respect your views...
And no problem...we should live with that )

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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi Sedat,

it's really boring for me, because I wrote so many times allways the same about it.

Furthermore, it's my personality opinion.
You can build your own and you do it, I have no problems with it.

Latest answer (have today a lot of work with update my page, my big tourney with 10.500 game ended).

In my eyes:
Fabian comes with sensational new ideas, Fruit are available. A lot of programmers checked the work from Fabian and have the same opinion about it.

Norman is cleaning the Igorit code at first. First IPPs are the Robodino Versions. Much of the Igorit code is very bad (endgame for an example) and Norman added own ideas in the time he cleans the code. He try the best that we all can used the Igorit code.

Richard is the programmer of Critter. Richard starts with an other programming language. Code of Critter is free available, later not. But the programmer sent his code to others and all which checked the code ... it's an own work.

Maybe Vas started with Fruit. It seems it was the reality. Never he gave an answere to that Claim, but different programmers find out that all is very in the near Fruit is.

etc., etc.
I think you read that I am not a fan of Rybka and not more of my Messages. You are a Rybka fan and starts such messages. I have my Information from TalkChess, programmers and follow the Topic from the beginning. I build my opinion about the situation, but not as fan from engine x or y ... not important for me.

In my opinion the topics are very clear today. I know if you are speaking with 10 different users, you will get 10 different opinions. I am looking only on the given clear Information you can find today in fora or ChessWiki or I got from other programmers, from my own test.

ChessWiki is a great source!
I like this work because I can find the same information I have.

Sedat, I gave so many time for my hobby the last 30 years and all what I do was a honest work. I await it from others too, that's all.

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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

Post by Sedat Canbaz »

Ok my friend ) you say: it is boring, but I see you are on this thread...
And it seems: it is not boring if you are again here ))

And why are you here ?
Because you hate a lot Rybka...right ?)

Because you are fan of Fabien, right ?

I assume Fabien hates Rybka, right ?
Ok...I can understand why...because Rybka was unbeatable for 6 years
But I can not understand...why you hate, you are not from Fruit team...
Or maybe you are from Fruit team... ? or maybe I am missing something...?)

As a tester,
I don't hate anyone's work,
Btw, have you noticed I started testing even Critter and Robbolito, but slightly with different names ))

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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

And Rybka is an old engine and completly out.
Same for other top engines from the past.

We should look in the future and not each time in the past. So many nice developments we can find ... no reason to looking in one of 1.000 available engines from the past.

It's just history!
New ideas are the future, not to discuss again and again about older ideas. Never people should live in the past ... not good! Boring Topic, important for me only ... readme.txt, honestly about the own work in times today.

Let us speak about Texel, Cheng, Hannibal, Arasan, Stockfish, Andscacs ... the latest updates!

1000000000% more interesting as such an old Topic so many messages you can find from People which can write in better English and which can building better opinions I have. TalkChess is full of it.

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Re: What's Vasik Rajlich doing today?

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi Sedat,

yes I am a fan from Fabian.
That's right, a very honestly programmer, shared his work, his sources, his ideas with others and do a lot for Computer chess.

Rybka:
I hate Rybka is wrong. Tested Rybka because own ideas are added. But the way the programmer goes in the beginning are not OK, read the 5 Points I wrote about it.

Fabain hates Rybka:
No, Fabian wrote me in time Senpai was available ...
Frank, not a good idea to kill Rybka and Houdini in your list with the new FCT1 Rating list. Fabian is very cool I think, I believe he was very disappointed in the past. But here you have to speak with Fabian. I can't speak for him, I can say only ... I like him.

Unbeatable for 6 years ...
TOP programmers develops his own engines with own ideas. Such programmers try to get more Elo with own things without to copy and paste ideas from others. Again, I am sure Vas is talented and have own and good ideas. But again ... this isn't the question.

I am looking in the first Version of Rybka and what the programmer gave for Information about it.

I am not in the Fruit team. I help all the times with results all programmers I tested here engines.

I am working in a team with Martin Blume in the past, with Roland Pfister and Patzer ... gave him material ... with Gandalf ... gave him material, with Ktulu ... game the programmer material but never I helps in programming. I help Martin with ideas and Martin add the ideas, I tested all ... send new ideas ... Martin added the new ideas and so on.

All that you know!
You must be very disppointed if I wrote about Rybka ... but all of the 5 Points are fact in my eyes. Sorry I can't changed my opinion!

Perhaps I switched my opinion after I read a clear Statement from Vas to Igorit ... never he public. Perhaps I switchend my opinion but before Vas do that I await at first a bit to the Topic Rykba 1 - Fruit. Very interesting to read such a statement.

:-)

Never you will read it or find it.
But again it's bad computer chess history, not more not less!

Best
Frank
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