petero2 wrote:If you think white can win, feel free to explain where white should deviate in the game I posted in order to win.
This is way too difficult for me and most anybody else. Someone needs to go through and create a DTZ50 tablebase covering that position. Until then the answer will remain unknown.
I agree we can't know for sure, but since both stockfish and texel fail to find a win under the 50-move rule when using 6-men syzygy tablebases, I think a reasonable guess is that the position is a draw.
Chessok site states on lomonosov "If the game can be won, the path with the least number of moves until the end of this variation is shown, given that both players make the best moves possible. If the losing player makes a suboptimal move, he will lose sooner and the program will display the new optimal path."
I read that as the line from the 7 piece position is mate in 87 and if black tries any other move mate would come quicker. Seems the 50 move rule saves black in the above post with 6 pieces.
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petero2 wrote:I think this is a draw under the 50 move rule, even though lomonosov says mate in 87.
The solution posted by Robert Maddox doesn't seem to have any 50 move problems. While there might be some way for black to force one, since Lomonosov doesn't care (?), I think that's unlikely.
Black's 9...Kg4 loses quickly to 10.Ke5, 11.Nd4, 12.Kxe6.
Black can play 9...e5+ instead. That seems to lead to quick draws, but I did not check all the lines.
I cannot exclude that white has something better in the first 9 moves, but I would be surprised if white has a forced win within the 50-move rule.
You can check it on any of the websites online for 6 Nalimov or of 6 Lomonosov's own online. There have put you a link. http://chessok.com/?page_id=361
This conversation is boring, is a simple mate.
By the way, I would remind you that when a pawn moves count starts from zero.
velmarin wrote:You can check it on any of the websites online for 6 Nalimov or of 6 Lomonosov's own online. There have put you a link. http://chessok.com/?page_id=361
This conversation is boring, is a simple mate.
By the way, I would remind you that when a pawn moves count starts from zero.
velmarin wrote:You can check it on any of the websites online for 6 Nalimov or of 6 Lomonosov's own online. There have put you a link. http://chessok.com/?page_id=361
This conversation is boring, is a simple mate.
By the way, I would remind you that when a pawn moves count starts from zero.
I am not going to discuss this, nor is it a topic that interests me particularly, (endgame studies)
In addition we always talk about a perfect game by both sides.
But in the given position Nalimov and Lomonosov (online sites) give a solution of 70 movements checkmate.
40 moves less than SyzyGy, what you think?.
