Rybka not considered best by rival programmers?

[M ANSARI]

Blaming Rybka negatively for being too strong in comparison to other engines is silly. I think Rybka has pushed the bar higher for other engines to try and reach. Nothing wrong with that, in fact I think Rybka should be applauded for that. You don't get upset when someone destroys the 100m sprint world record, you just urge other atheletes to strive and work harder to beat that record.

Personally I think chess is a lot more popular than anyone thinks and ofcourse Rybka is way under promoted in comparison to Fritz or Chessmaster. Maybe Vas should contact Microsoft or Google or even Chessmaster and have some sort of dialogue with them. I think he would be a very very rich man very quickly if he did. Chess programmers have never been very good at business ... if they did maybe they wouldn't be programming chess engines.

[Uri Blass]

As they only mention the WCCC as being the right tournament to evaluate the rankings in the chess computer world, the problem is already solved: Rybka is the 2007 champion

Not to forget, Deep Blue was never WC. Yet it played Kasparov.

Ed

This is not exactly correct.
You can say that deep thought is not deep blue but
Deep Thought was world champion in 1989 in the 6th championship

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/t ... .php?id=14

It did not play in the 7th championship and got third place in 1995 in the 8th championship

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/t ... .php?id=58
http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/t ... .php?id=29

Uri

[bedouin]

I wonder what would happen if someone asked the top 10 chess players in the world who is the best player in the world? Would they say Kramnik or Anand? Is 4 games from Anand and 1 game from Kramnik a good sample size?

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Fide July Ratings
Rank	Name	                       Rating	Games
1        Anand, Viswanathan	   2792	       4
2	 Topalov, Veselin	       2769	  10
3	 Kramnik, Vladimir	      2769	  1
4	 Ivanchuk, Vassily	      2762	 22
5	 Morozevich, Alexander	   2758	      18
6	 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar 2757	   14
7	 Leko, Peter	                 2751	     9
8	 Aronian, Levon	               2750	  15
9	 Radjabov, Teimour	    2746	7
10	 Jakovenko, Dmitry	    2735	29

http://www.fide.com/ratings/top.phtml?list=men

[GS]

I wonder what would happen if someone asked the top 10 chess players in the world who is the best player in the world? Would they say Kramnik or Anand? Is 4 games from Anand and 1 game from Kramnik a good sample size?

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Fide July Ratings
Rank	Name	                       Rating	Games
1        Anand, Viswanathan	   2792	       4
2	 Topalov, Veselin	       2769	  10
3	 Kramnik, Vladimir	      2769	  1
4	 Ivanchuk, Vassily	      2762	 22
5	 Morozevich, Alexander	   2758	      18
6	 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar 2757	   14
7	 Leko, Peter	                 2751	     9
8	 Aronian, Levon	               2750	  15
9	 Radjabov, Teimour	    2746	7
10	 Jakovenko, Dmitry	    2735	29

http://www.fide.com/ratings/top.phtml?list=men

I am not sure if you know what you are talkin' about?
Of course the number of the games given is only the sample size
of the last calculated period and the overall sample size is a ballpark
off.
A sample size of 4 and 1 would be just ridiculous...

Guenther

[bedouin]

So then who is the best player in the world? The world champion or the guy on top of the rating list?

[revengeska]

As far as the fish well it's no secret i dislike Rybka

Why do you dislike Rybka?

Christopher

Rybka has pretty much ruined engine chess, there's no varation anymore, it's only rybka rybka rybka rybka, quite frankly it's boring. It now comes down to who has more money and better hardware.


Richard

I disagree. The Rybka programmer is an IM and can put his chess inside his engine which is actually a nice departure from the usual wooden crap that was dished up by say Fritz for example for years.

So much so that even Fritz is now being developed along human lines.

It won't be long before another chess player sits down and writes something better than Rybka.

Did it ever occur to you that Rybka is unique and the rest of the engines are the problem? There are a few exceptions to this...Hiarcs is one and always has been.

Perhaps programmers should rethink how they go about programming chess.

Personally I would like to see an engine that plays hypermodern chess.

I think such an engine would beat most engines out there currently including Rybka.

Christopher

Describe what you mean by "Hypermodern". I do have a bit of programming knowledge, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the subject.

[bedouin]

Hypermodern here would IMHO refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermodernism_(chess) rather than a programming technique. Did you ignore the question above on who you consider the best player?