I disagree. We learn from their past ten games that Kramnik is very likely to make big blunders than Anand when in time pressure.emerson4301972 wrote:When both of them enters time trouble, who will win? Anand is a better blitz player, but Kramnik have better nerves. Anand will have more pressure because he has something to lose and Kramnik has "nothing to lose"
World Chess Championship (Game 11)
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swami
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "30"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R1p2/4P3/1NN3Q1/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w q - 0 16
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "30"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R1p2/4P3/1NN3Q1/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w q - 0 16
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Terry McCracken
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
15..0-0?! looked dangerous, I think Rg8 is good and the game appears equel.AdminX wrote:[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "30"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R1p2/4P3/1NN3Q1/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w q - 0 16
Terry McCracken
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "31"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R1p2/4PQ2/1NN5/PPP3PP/2K2B1R b q - 0 16
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "31"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R1p2/4PQ2/1NN5/PPP3PP/2K2B1R b q - 0 16
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swami
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
Kramnik should play this only move....Be6. Develop his pieces,
the pawn on d6 can't be defended, it's isolated and weak.
Anand,V - Kramnik,V, WCC2008 Bonn 2008
r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R1p2/4PQ2/1NN5/PPP3PP/2K2B1R b q - 0 1
Analysis by bright-0.3a:
the pawn on d6 can't be defended, it's isolated and weak.
Anand,V - Kramnik,V, WCC2008 Bonn 2008
r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R1p2/4PQ2/1NN5/PPP3PP/2K2B1R b q - 0 1
Analysis by bright-0.3a:
Code: Select all
16...Nb4 17.Rxd6 fxe4 18.Nxe4 Nxa2+ 19.Kb1
+/- (1.37) Depth: 2/11 00:00:00
16...Nb4 17.Rxd6 fxe4 18.Nxe4 Nxa2+ 19.Kb1
+/- (1.37) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00
16...Nb4 17.Rxd6 fxe4 18.Nxe4 Nxa2+ 19.Kb1
+/- (1.37) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00
16...Nb4 17.Rxd6 fxe4 18.Nxe4 Nxa2+ 19.Kb1
+/- (1.37) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00
16...Nb4 17.Rxd6 fxe4 18.Nxe4 Nxa2+ 19.Kb1
+/- (1.37) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00
16...Nb4 17.Rd4 Nc6 18.Rxd6 fxe4 19.Qxe4 Bh6+ 20.Kb1 Qxe4 21.Nxe4
+/- (1.20) Depth: 4/12 00:00:00
16...Be6 17.Rxd6 Bh6 18.Qxh6 Qxd6 19.Qxh7
+/= (0.26) Depth: 6/15 00:00:00
16...Be6 17.Rxd6 Bh6 18.Qxh6 Qxd6 19.Qxh7
+/= (0.26) Depth: 6/15 00:00:00
16...Be6 17.Rxd6 Bh6 18.Qxh6 Qxd6 19.Qxh7
+/= (0.26) Depth: 6/15 00:00:00
16...Be6 17.Rd3 Ne5 18.Rd4 Kf8 19.exf5 Bd7
+/= (0.56) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 31kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 d5 19.Nd6+ Kf8 20.Be2 Ne5
+/= (0.54) Depth: 7/19 00:00:00 65kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 d5 19.Nd6+ Kf8 20.Kb1 Ne5 21.Nf5 Bxf5 22.Qxf5
+/= (0.58) Depth: 8/25 00:00:00 182kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 d5 19.Nd6+ Kf8 20.Kb1 Rd8 21.Nf5 Qb4
+/= (0.52) Depth: 9/27 00:00:00 452kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 d5 19.Nd6+ Kf8 20.a3 Rd8 21.Nf5 Bxf5 22.Qxf5 Qe4
+/= (0.39) Depth: 10/27 00:00:00 903kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 d5 19.Nd6+ Kf8 20.a3 Rd8 21.Nf5 Bxf5 22.Qxf5 Qe4
+/= (0.39) Depth: 11/36 00:00:00 1622kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 d5 19.Nd6+ Kf8 20.Nf5 Qb4 21.Nbd4 Rc8 22.a3 Qc5 23.Qh4 Nxd4 24.Nxd4
= (0.23) Depth: 12/36 00:00:01 5044kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 d5 19.Nd6+ Kf8 20.Nf5 Qb4 21.Nbd4 Bxf5 22.c3 Qc5 23.Qxf5 Nxd4 24.Rxd4
+/= (0.39) Depth: 13/36 00:00:03 9758kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 Kf8 19.Ng3 Bg4 20.Be2 Bxe2 21.Nxe2 f5 22.Rhe1 Qe5 23.c3 Re8 24.Kb1 Qxf4 25.Nxf4 Rxe1 26.Rxe1
+/= (0.34) Depth: 14/44 00:00:16 42105kN
16...Be6 17.Rd1 fxe4 18.Nxe4 Kf8 19.Kb1 f5 20.Nxd6 Be5 21.Qh6+ Rg7 22.Nc4 Qf6 23.Qxf6 Bxf6 24.Nd6 Rd8 25.Nc5 Nb4
+/= (0.31) Depth: 15/51 00:00:35 91382kN
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
Yes the d6 pawn is weak, but it cannot be taken at the moment because black has Bh6.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "32"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R4/4pQ2/1NN5/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w q - 0 17
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "32"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np1p2/3R4/4pQ2/1NN5/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w q - 0 17
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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Ted Summers
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emerson4301972
Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
ofcorse for Kramnik to play Najdorf, Anand has to play 1. e4 
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "34"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np4/3R1p2/4NQ2/1N6/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w q - 0 18
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "34"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 *
[d]r1b1k1r1/1p2qpbp/p1np4/3R1p2/4NQ2/1N6/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w q - 0 18
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)
[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "36"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 18. Nxd6+ Kf8 *
[d]r1b2kr1/1p2qpbp/p1nN4/3R1p2/5Q2/1N6/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w - - 0 19
Both sides show 0:48 on the clock.
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "36"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 18. Nxd6+ Kf8 *
[d]r1b2kr1/1p2qpbp/p1nN4/3R1p2/5Q2/1N6/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w - - 0 19
Both sides show 0:48 on the clock.
Last edited by AdminX on Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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