Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Why are you putting words in my mouth
Show me the post where I said that Vasik is a liar,the only liar here is you who is putting words in other people mouth....
Easy:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Vas said it's a clone....
I say I don't believe Vas anymore....
Yes,I don't believe his naked statements anymore....I want a clear professional statement based on the opinion of a committee of skilled trustworthy programmers to clear this whole mess....otherwise it's a pure sample of speculation and/or false information....
Can you argue the logic in my request
Go ahead,be my guest....
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:The person in question lacks the technical abilities to decompile the Rybka .exe,reverse engineering it,or whatever you call it..
You must know him very well to do such statements.
And how do you know he decompiled Rybka? The Rybka parts in it could come from Strelka.
The frame of Ippolit is Kaissa by Vladimir Yelin, I have no doubt about that. Kaissa is not open source. Do you think a genuine brain decompiled Kaissa to take it's UCI parser?
I don't know him very well as you say here....but when a programmer steals from Crafty's code to put it in a future commercial engine,Patriot for the record,and can't hide the traces getting caught almost immediatetly leads to the conclusion that his programming capacity is not that superior to make him produce such a strong "clone"....
I didn't even touch the case of Kaissa here,you are confusing me with someone else....
Dr.D
Kaissa/Patriot 1.3.0 was based on Crafty, but with many own things. It was discovered much after the release. Patriot 2 was a 1:1 Fruit clone with adjusted evaluation and depth. That was a quite stupid release. Without this we maybe would have never looked closer on Patriot 1.3.
And when we talk about "the person in question" we must talk about the reasons why we think "the person in question" made "the engine in question".
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
As for GCP,he also believes without a given proof for the sake of fellowship
I don't. I can use a disassembler, and I've seen enough. And no, I'm not going to bother to post further explanations.
I am not doubting a bit your professional programming skills,your chess eninge says it all....the problem is that you've seen enough,I didn't and most probably I won't....
More opinions are needed please....
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
I want a clear professional statement based on the opinion of a committee of skilled trustworthy programmers to clear this whole mess....D
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:The person in question lacks the technical abilities to decompile the Rybka .exe,reverse engineering it,or whatever you call it..
You must know him very well to do such statements.
And how do you know he decompiled Rybka? The Rybka parts in it could come from Strelka.
The frame of Ippolit is Kaissa by Vladimir Yelin, I have no doubt about that. Kaissa is not open source. Do you think a genuine brain decompiled Kaissa to take it's UCI parser?
I don't know him very well as you say here....but when a programmer steals from Crafty's code to put it in a future commercial engine,Patriot for the record,and can't hide the traces getting caught almost immediatetly leads to the conclusion that his programming capacity is not that superior to make him produce such a strong "clone"....
I didn't even touch the case of Kaissa here,you are confusing me with someone else....
Dr.D
Kaissa/Patriot 1.3.0 was based on Crafty, but with many own things. It was discovered much after the release. Patriot 2 was a 1:1 Fruit clone with adjusted evaluation and depth. That was a quite stupid release. Without this we maybe would have never looked closer on Patriot 1.3.
And when we talk about "the person in question" we must talk about the reasons why we think "the person in question" made "the engine in question".
Yeah,I remember the whole affair back then and I am still keeping the e-mails exchanged with Frank Quisinsky,he was so excited about this project and when the snow melt down,he lost his interest toward computer chess and almost disappeared although I see him from time to time posting in the CSS forum....
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
I want a clear professional statement based on the opinion of a committee of skilled trustworthy programmers to clear this whole mess....
And I want a pony!
I'll see what I can do,but I don't promise
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:the problem is that you've seen enough,I didn't and most probably I won't....
More opinions are needed please....
Dr.D
Yes, I understand that problem. I was hoping Vas would make a clear enough statement with some explanation, but I also understand why he eventually didn't do that.
Explaining why Ippolit is a clone means explaining what makes Rybka unique.
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:the problem is that you've seen enough,I didn't and most probably I won't....
More opinions are needed please....
Dr.D
Yes, I understand that problem. I was hoping Vas would make a clear enough statement with some explanation, but I also understand why he eventually didn't do that.
Explaining why Ippolit is a clone means explaining what makes Rybka unique.
So I have some hope. Or maybe someone else makes a nice webpage with disassembly and explanations, this was eventually done for Strelka IIRC.
This is common sense,no doubt whatever,but....a few tiny fingerprints here and there won't reveal the full secret of the mighty Rybka....
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
BTW,don't underestimate the language barrier,my english is far away form perfect....
Dr.D
Hi Doc !
Your English is an ideal for me !
I learned some English only from Playboy ( US edition ) ! And was extremely hard for me to concentrate on text !
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
BTW,don't underestimate the language barrier,my english is far away form perfect....
Dr.D
Hi Doc !
Your English is an ideal for me !
I learned some English only from Playboy ( US edition ) ! And was extremely hard for me to concentrate on text !
Silvian
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
