Houdini 2 Aquarium released

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

This thread started out as an informative thread about Aquarium and Houdini.
It got disrupted by the usual suspects whose only purpose is to insult and derail the thread from its intended purpose.
Moderators see it happen, and do nothing to prevent it from happening.

Talkchess in a nutshell, I'm afraid...

Robert

Instead of misdirecting everyone, why not confirm that Houdini is indeed based on Robbolitto?

Admit it and I will move along on my _very_ merry way. Until you stop trying to deceive this community, there is no rock you can hide under.

Peter[/quote]

+1

[Peter Skinner]

Surely Houdini is an improved, maybe rewritten Robbo. On the other hand, why you are not so vocal about original, commercial Fritzes, Juniors, Hiarcses and Shredders? They are 200 Elo points weaker than Houdini and 150 Elo points weaker than many open source programs, and some of them appeared 2 years ago in the form of free open sources. Isn't that called idiocy, incompetence, laziness in the field of professional CC, and a commercial lie to call them "strong"? The supreme goal of professional CC is to be an original idiot? In the commercial domain I find both the thievery and the cult of original idiocy as pretty bothering.

Kai

If you look at my history, I have been very vocal against other commercial products.

I was one of the first to call Rybka a clone before CCT7. I have been critical of Junior and Shredder. With that said I have never had anything bad to say about Hiarcs, mainly because I have never found anything to be wrong with the product, and the author answers questions quick rapidly.

I have _never_ been a fan of Chessbase products, and I think that is quite apparent as well.

So I am not just out to get Robert. I just want some honesty from the man. Until I get it, he can expect more from me.

I don't care if a program is weaker than another and wishes to be commercial. This has zero to do with Houdini's strength. It is the strongest current engine, but not because it is original. Once he admits publically that Houdini is based on Robbolitto, I will be more than happy with the man.

Peter

[bhlangonijr]

This thread started out as an informative thread about Aquarium and Houdini.
It got disrupted by the usual suspects whose only purpose is to insult and derail the thread from its intended purpose.
Moderators see it happen, and do nothing to prevent it from happening.

Talkchess in a nutshell, I'm afraid...

Robert

Robert,

Sorry to say that, but all the replies to your original post are ON TOPIC.

If someone is selling some product which has serious implications on how it is produced, people are free to plot against its advertisements and express their feelings.
Had you find out that Nike is enslaving children to produce its shoes, would you keep buying their products? Would you keep quiet about that? Well, there are some people that just don't care about that as long as the price and quality of the product are okay... But there are people that won't accept it and they will speak out and loud against that.

Same applies to you Robert. You have used a public domain program as the code base of Houdini and then you sell it and lie to your customer about it, as if it is a completely original program.

You should only blame yourself for some people reaction. You are not being honest with this community about "your" product. You have to live with this now.

[IWB]

Hi Robert,

...This update will also be made available to all current Houdini 2 users, e-mails will be sent in the following week....

I dont know if it is already answererd in this thread but do you expect the changes to have an influence on the playing strength or do you consider the "new" version as a pure substitute of the "old" H2.0?

Thanks and bye
Ingo

[mwyoung]

This thread started out as an informative thread about Aquarium and Houdini.
It got disrupted by the usual suspects whose only purpose is to insult and derail the thread from its intended purpose.
Moderators see it happen, and do nothing to prevent it from happening.

Talkchess in a nutshell, I'm afraid...

Robert

Instead of misdirecting everyone, why not confirm that Houdini is indeed based on Robbolitto?

Admit it and I will move along on my _very_ merry way. Until you stop trying to deceive this community, there is no rock you can hide under.

Peter[/quote]


Most used chess engine by chess professionals---Houdini

Most used chess engine by the chess community--Houdini

Strongest chess engine on the planet--Houdini

No one taking Robert to court over-- Houdini

No problem with Robert selling his product-- Houdni

People want to buy--Houdini

Robert makes lots of money from--Houdini

Robert makes new version of--Houdini

Robert makes more money from--Houdini

End of story

[fern]

Hope your features are Ok.
Nothing best to evaluate health that those commodities.

Keep the good work

Fern

[Houdini]

Hi Robert,

...This update will also be made available to all current Houdini 2 users, e-mails will be sent in the following week....

I dont know if it is already answererd in this thread but do you expect the changes to have an influence on the playing strength or do you consider the "new" version as a pure substitute of the "old" H2.0?

Thanks and bye
Ingo

Hello Ingo,

The changes have no impact on the playing strength - in most cases the analysis of Houdini 2.0b will be identical to Houdini 2.0.
For the IPON list you can consider Houdini 2.0b as a pure substitute to the old version.

Have a nice week-end,
Robert

[IWB]

...

The changes have no impact on the playing strength - in most cases the analysis of Houdini 2.0b will be identical to Houdini 2.0.
For the IPON list you can consider Houdini 2.0b as a pure substitute to the old version.
...

Thx Robert, I will simply replace the old with the new version for future tests then.

Bye
Ingo

PS: Good luck for the 11th!

[Mike S.]

(...) it is a completely original program.

I don't find such a statement on the Houdini web page. I find

"Without many ideas and techniques from the open source chess engines Ippolit and Stockfish, Houdini would not nearly be as strong as it is now."

(apparently this hasn't been quoted enough times, still)

As a longtime member of this forum I object against the treatment Robert Houdart gets in this thread; I have not seen all other related threads. Please have some courtesy, and some taste.

I think it's good to see such first-hand infos from programmers here. Maybe they could be with fewer quality claims, to avoid the impression of advertisement (only). But that is really not a big deal.

[Houdini]

You should only blame yourself for some people reaction. You are not being honest with this community about "your" product. You have to live with this now.

I simply notice that some forum members are purposely and maliciously perverting an otherwise informative thread into the umpteenth lynch party against Houdini, with no other purpose than derailing the whole thread.

Read the messages from Peter Skinner above. Not for the first time in a Houdini topic, he is just looking for a place to express his personal obsession, frustration, rage, envy or whatever other sentiment that is driving him.

In doing so, he doesn't show an ounce of respect for other forum members that don't share his personal pet obsession.

See you,
Robert