mwyoung wrote:
What is not to like. Robert has done nothing every to you personally. But you go out of your way to run him and Houdini down.
I been testing chess programs since the 1980's. IMO Robert has help spark a new golden age in computer chess. For someone how loves computer chess, I thank him for his efforts.
I can't help but to feel glad when Houdini 3 does well, and his program shuts you and others down with its play over the board. Because I feel Robert has been treated very poorly by many here. And you and others were hoping for Houdini 3 to fail, so you could open up new lines of attack on Robert... Shameful
Looks like his whole purpose beginning to end, is to make a show. I recently stumbled across youtubes about wwe (don't bother, really!) and maybe he is trying to make a show for chess, too.
(When he did this to Vasik, I thought he had something genuine in it, but now that he is doing it to Robert, I'm thinking that with Vas, it was also just for "entertainment")
So you watch the WWE Shimon
I watch it too although I am limited to RAW & the special pay-per-view events like this Sunday's survival series where CM Punk will defend his WWE championship in a triple threat match against John Cena and the absolute human monster Ryback.......
Sorry for the little off topic issue regards,
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Albert Silver wrote: jumping from 16 cores to 64, is nothing like 2 to 8, and the general loss in parallel efficiency drops badly. So two double ups in speed would normally yield ~80-100 Elo, but here less, and on equal platforms Houdini 3 is already at least 100 Elo stronger than Rybka 4.1. Add to that that this is not actually a 64-core machine, but is a 64-core cluster, and the efficiency is bound to be even worse.
Yes, people too easily forget this. it is not 64 cores vs 16 cores in the traditional sense. It is apples and oranges. But it has been said before that the shared memory model chokes with a lot of cores, so perhaps a counterview could be that the 64 core cluster is actually *better* than 64 traditional cores. We just don't know unfortunately.
I somehow agree with what Albert explained.....
But never the less,we're talking about the Cluster Version of Rybka that should take maximum advantage from this architecture,right
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Houdini is not that brilliant as many think.....
It's just that Rybka is making horrible positional blunders and is getting squashed by Houdini.....
Something is wrong here,I don't know.....
Is it a bad special settings for the match
Is it a bad scaling and not getting the optimal communication with all the 64 processors that Rybka is using
Is it an experimental version of Rybka that is palying
Again,after watching the second game,I am pretty much convinced that Houdini is not that ingenius chess entity as much as there is definitely something wrong with cluster Rybka.......
Dr.D
I agree with you that Cluster Rybka did not play both games verry well (or strong as expected e.g. by me).
Houdini did well in both games. Most peoples interpret too much in this games, thats a little pity. It is just an interesting event, and both engines should get the same respect.
Regards, Clemens keck
I tend to agree. For one thing, there is simply no way the 2-0 actually represents their relative strength in these configurations. Despite having roughly 4x the horsepower, Houdini 3 is probably still the stronger player, though by how much is unclear. I am guessing 20-40 Elo.
The reason is that jumping from 16 cores to 64, is nothing like 2 to 8, and the general loss in parallel efficiency drops badly. So two double ups in speed would normally yield ~80-100 Elo, but here less, and on equal platforms Houdini 3 is already at least 100 Elo stronger than Rybka 4.1. Add to that that this is not actually a 64-core machine, but is a 64-core cluster, and the efficiency is bound to be even worse.
Don't get me wrong, Houdini played very well, and they were fun games, however it would be quite interesting if the owner of the 16-core machine that played, could test Deep Rybka 4.1 to get some comparisons in depth as opposed to the 64-core cluster.
Still, it's reasonable to say that up-to-date Rybka engine on the cluster is not the level of Houdini 3 (both on equal hardware). So, there are small chances we will see soon a Rybka 5 of the strength of Houdini 3 or stronger, and this fact can make news. Also, if parallelization is bad and Rybka engine is actually strong, then again, it shows these clusters generally as not very effective.
Kai
100% agreed.......
Dr.D
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Hello Mark Young
why do you call him a doctor?
Deeb posts easily show he has not endured the lengthy training of a doctor.
Of course this reply will be deleted, but maybe it will help a few to understand.
kgburcham
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Houdini is not that brilliant as many think.....
It's just that Rybka is making horrible positional blunders and is getting squashed by Houdini.....
Something is wrong here,I don't know.....
Is it a bad special settings for the match
Is it a bad scaling and not getting the optimal communication with all the 64 processors that Rybka is using
Is it an experimental version of Rybka that is palying
Again,after watching the second game,I am pretty much convinced that Houdini is not that ingenius chess entity as much as there is definitely something wrong with cluster Rybka.......
Dr.D
I know you were so looking forward to Houdini 3's demise. I guess you will have to wait for Houdini 4...
A nasty poster wrote yesterday that Robert is my enemy......
I don't like him but he's definitely not my enemy......
I've ordered the new Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 from a big PC store yesterday and I intend to buy Houdini's ChessBase version as I am a big fan of this company.....
Dr.D
What is not to like. Robert has done nothing every to you personally. But you go out of your way to run him and Houdini down.
I been testing chess programs since the 1980's. IMO Robert has help spark a new golden age in computer chess. For someone how loves computer chess, I thank him for his efforts.
I can't help but to feel glad when Houdini 3 does well, and his program shuts you and others down with its play over the board. Because I feel Robert has been treated very poorly by many here. And you and others were hoping for Houdini 3 to fail, so you could open up new lines of attack on Robert... Shameful
Houdini doesn't shut me down.......
Feel free to think what you like,but don't make big conclusions........
Houdini will fall sooner than later and you will be defending the new king of the hill eventually......
Infinite loop regards,
Dr.D
I have been doing computer chess since the first commercial unit was sold. I have seen them all come and go, but it is not about that is it. It is about being a jerk, or not being a jerk to someone because they wrote a chess program.
And yes Houdini's performance did shut you down and up...that is plan for all to see.
Here is an example of you before Houdini won, and what I am talking about in this post. Your words say it all DR.
One of many such quotes from Dr.Wael Deeb.
This is just the most recent.
"I do hope it will manage to smash Houdini's face this time along with the ugly face of his programmer........
Dr.D"
Shameful...
Ok.....got it........
Now can you shut down and up and stop making a jerk out of yourself
No need to go personal with this,but if you want I'm ready to kick you in the ugly face too........
To the moderators:
Don't get surprised why I act so sharp sometimes.....
Just read what this jerk wrote.........
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
kgburcham wrote:Hello Mark Young
why do you call him a doctor?
Deeb posts easily show he has not endured the lengthy training of a doctor.
Of course this reply will be deleted, but maybe it will help a few to understand.
kgburcham
And how do you know that kgburcham
Do you remember once we spoke about a disease of yours in the CTF forum and we discussed the unique method that you applied to fight with this disease
Why are the number of jerks is increasing dramatically in this forum
What is wrong with you people
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Doc, they're not jerks; they're men that never learned any other culture than their's; they're people that never could appreciate the many-coloured rainbow and they're people that would never make a try to understand something alien to them.
kgburcham wrote:No one goes through 14 years of training to become a doctor and then posts like you do.
No one.
kgburcham
kgburcham,
To be honest with you,I have 3 brothers younger than me and they are all well educated.....And you know what,they tell me the same........
You are a doctor,you must rise above this,you must rise above that.....
But what to do when my nature is ashort fused personality and I hate when people attack me for no obvious reason.........like you did.....
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_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
GenoM wrote:Doc, they're not jerks; they're men that never learned any other culture than their's; they're people that never could appreciate the many-coloured rainbow and they're people that would never make a try to understand something alien to them.
regards,
Geno
Chesno kazano Geno,
Ne moga da razbera kak mozhe da ima takava ogromna doza zloba i idioshtina v takav goliam shahmaten forum.......
Blagodaria,che doide na pomosht....Ti si istinski prijatel.....
Ta ti si dori po-mil Boiko be
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
