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IWB
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by IWB » Wed May 01, 2013 8:44 pm
Modern Times wrote:
On my Phenom II X6, the standard AMD64 exe is faster then the Intel popcnt exe.
Good point, I did not test that. If there is a POP Version I use that. If that is slower it is a mistake somewhere ...
Maybe I'll wait another day
BYe
Ingo
pohl4711
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Full name: Stefan Pohl
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by pohl4711 » Wed May 01, 2013 8:46 pm
IWB wrote: pohl4711 wrote: IWB wrote: daylen wrote: I just updated the Stockfish web site, and Jim's new builds are the official version.
Thx Daylen, I will use the 64bit "Intel" POP for the IPON in a few minutes!
Bye
Ingo
The auto-compile is still 3% faster...
Stefan
Ahh, good to know. Thats how much? 2 or 3 Elo?
I use the OFFICIAL one which will be used by 99% of the users.
Ingo
I use the
best one (wich contains the
official 3.0 source-code).
Stefan
Modern Times
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by Modern Times » Wed May 01, 2013 8:48 pm
IWB wrote: Modern Times wrote:
On my Phenom II X6, the standard AMD64 exe is faster then the Intel popcnt exe.
Good point, I did not test that. If there is a POP Version I use that. If that is slower it is a mistake somewhere ...
Maybe I'll wait another day
BYe
Ingo
There isn't a lot in it, about 1%.
Modern Times
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by Modern Times » Wed May 01, 2013 9:09 pm
In Shredder GUI on my AMD Phenom II X6:
same final pv for all 4 versions, excellent. Nodes searched and nodes per sec:
Engine: AMD64 Stockfish 3 JA 64bit (512 MB)
(66.075.594) 1391
Engine: AMD64 popcnt Stockfish 3 JA 64bit SSE4. (512 MB)
(66.075.594) 994
Engine: Intel64 Stockfish 3 JA 64bit (512 MB)
(66.075.594) 1367
Engine: Intel64 popcnt Stockfish 3 JA 64bit SSE (512 MB)
(66.075.594) 1394
So, in the GUI the Intel popcount exe is faster on the position I used, barely. Very little in it.
Jim - really you probably only need to offer 2 versions, Intel and Intel popcount. Take the Intel naming off them, and call them generic exes. They work fine for AMD users... (assuming they also work on older AMDs, I can't test that.)
IWB
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by IWB » Wed May 01, 2013 9:14 pm
Yep
i5:
Intel POP Compile:
Total time (ms) : 2206
Nodes searched : 4176431
Nodes/second : 1893214
AMD NO POP:
Total time (ms) : 2305
Nodes searched : 4176431
Nodes/second : 1811900
Favors Intel, difference (time - fast = 100%) = 4.5% (~3-4 Elo)
AMD 8350:
Intel POP Compile:
Total time (ms) : 2938
Nodes searched : 4176431
Nodes/second : 1421521
AMD NO POP:
Total time (ms) : 2954
Nodes searched : 4176431
Nodes/second : 1413822
Favors Intel, difference (time - fast = 100%) = 0.5% (~ 1Elo?)
Phenom 2:
Intel POP Compile:
Total time (ms) : 3345
Nodes searched : 4176431
Nodes/second : 1248559
AMD NO POP:
Total time (ms) : 3267
Nodes searched : 4176431
Nodes/second : 1278368
Favors AMD, difference (time - fast = 100%) = 2.4% (+ <2Elo?)
I am testing on Phenoms. I seriously doubt that it is possible to measure the difference. I will continue with what I have as this is not worth to bother
Bye
Ingo
IWB
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by IWB » Wed May 01, 2013 9:16 pm
pohl4711 wrote:
I use the best one (wich contains the official 3.0 source-code).
Stefan
Many twist to justify a non standard decision - but enjoy.
Ingo
IWB
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by IWB » Wed May 01, 2013 9:18 pm
Modern Times wrote:
Jim - really you probably only need to offer 2 versions, Intel and Intel popcount. Take the Intel naming off them, and call them generic exes. They work fine for AMD users... (assuming they also work on older AMDs, I can't test that.)
I am using AMD AND I fully support this - It is just much less trouble for ALL!
Thx for the work
Ingo
Modern Times
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by Modern Times » Wed May 01, 2013 9:26 pm
Agreed Ingo, the difference is tiny if anything.
geots
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by geots » Thu May 02, 2013 2:22 am
IWB wrote: Modern Times wrote:
On my Phenom II X6, the standard AMD64 exe is faster then the Intel popcnt exe.
Good point, I did not test that. If there is a POP Version I use that. If that is slower it is a mistake somewhere ...
Maybe I'll wait another day
BYe
Ingo
Am I to assume you always use the popcnt executable, without checking each to be sure before you do?!
gts
melajara
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by melajara » Thu May 02, 2013 11:08 am
Thanks, so far half of the test is completed and I confess I'm disappointed by the result, a meager 10 ELO increase over v2.3.1
I'm even hoping something is wrong in this testing
Per ardua ad astra