Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 5:13 am
lkaufman wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 4:10 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 3:38 am I did it because I forgot to tell the GUI that I could castle and it did not let me castle so I played it anyway knowing that I was ahead in material with no immediate bad consequence.

Here is another game with the g7 pawn removed, and Komodo resigned. I honestly believe that unless GM Lenderman give Komodo a pawn even with chess960 he should give a pawn in every game, Komodo would NOT have a chance. Now if Lenderman was rated like Jorge Sammour FIDE 2457 with your 32 core then on Chess960 without given Komodo a pawn odds it Might draw most of the games. :roll:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. c4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 2. d4 {[%emt 0:00:32]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:12]} 3. e3 {[%emt 0:00:12]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:36]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:05]
} 6. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:40]} Nxd5 {[%emt 0:00:11]}[/pgn]
What was your Contempt setting for this game? The way Komodo just let you trade queens early suggests to me that you were just using default (16). It should at least be 150 for handicaps of a knight or more. If you are just using default Contempt these games don't tell us anything, Komodo can't give big handicaps without a high Contempt setting.
I will replay this game from move 7 on tomorrow and make sure that I did Not forget to set contempt to 150 :shock:
Komodo 13.3 Resigned after I played 28. Ba6

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. c4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 2. d4 {[%emt 0:00:32]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:12]} 3. e3 {[%emt 0:00:12]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:36]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:05]
} 6. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:40]} Nxd5 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 7. Bc4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Be6
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:35]} Qb6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 9. Nbd2
{[%emt 0:00:41]} O-O-O {[%emt 0:00:45]} 10. Qe2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:18]} 11. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:19]} Kb8 {[%emt 0:00:59]} 12. Rd1 {
[%emt 0:00:42]} Rhg8 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 13. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:14]} 14. h3 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Qc7 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 15. Qf1 {
[%emt 0:00:13]} Bf5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 16. Be3 {[%emt 0:00:21]} e6 {
[%emt 0:00:31]} 17. Bxd5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Rxd5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 18. Qe2 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} Qd6 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 19. Rd2 {[%emt 0:00:39]} b6 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 20. Qd1 {[%emt 0:00:38]} Be4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 21. Ne1 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} Bd8 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 22. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:10]} Bc7 {
[%emt 0:00:05]} 23. f4 {[%emt 0:00:27]} Ne7 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 24. Rf2 {
[%emt 0:00:30]} Nf5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 25. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:14]} Rg3 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} 26. Bd2 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Qd8 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 27. Qc6 {
[%emt 0:00:35]} Qg8 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 28. Ba6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 0-1
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

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I cleaned up the quote tag issues in this thread as well as I can - hopefully it's easier to read now.

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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 3:24 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 5:13 am
lkaufman wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 4:10 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 3:38 am I did it because I forgot to tell the GUI that I could castle and it did not let me castle so I played it anyway knowing that I was ahead in material with no immediate bad consequence.

Here is another game with the g7 pawn removed, and Komodo resigned. I honestly believe that unless GM Lenderman give Komodo a pawn even with chess960 he should give a pawn in every game, Komodo would NOT have a chance. Now if Lenderman was rated like Jorge Sammour FIDE 2457 with your 32 core then on Chess960 without given Komodo a pawn odds it Might draw most of the games. :roll:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. c4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 2. d4 {[%emt 0:00:32]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:12]} 3. e3 {[%emt 0:00:12]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:36]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:05]
} 6. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:40]} Nxd5 {[%emt 0:00:11]}[/pgn]
What was your Contempt setting for this game? The way Komodo just let you trade queens early suggests to me that you were just using default (16). It should at least be 150 for handicaps of a knight or more. If you are just using default Contempt these games don't tell us anything, Komodo can't give big handicaps without a high Contempt setting.
I will replay this game from move 7 on tomorrow and make sure that I did Not forget to set contempt to 150 :shock:
Komodo 13.3 Resigned after I played 28. Ba6

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. c4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 2. d4 {[%emt 0:00:32]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:12]} 3. e3 {[%emt 0:00:12]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:36]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:05]
} 6. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:40]} Nxd5 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 7. Bc4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Be6
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:35]} Qb6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 9. Nbd2
{[%emt 0:00:41]} O-O-O {[%emt 0:00:45]} 10. Qe2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:18]} 11. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:19]} Kb8 {[%emt 0:00:59]} 12. Rd1 {
[%emt 0:00:42]} Rhg8 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 13. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:14]} 14. h3 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Qc7 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 15. Qf1 {
[%emt 0:00:13]} Bf5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 16. Be3 {[%emt 0:00:21]} e6 {
[%emt 0:00:31]} 17. Bxd5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Rxd5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 18. Qe2 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} Qd6 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 19. Rd2 {[%emt 0:00:39]} b6 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 20. Qd1 {[%emt 0:00:38]} Be4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 21. Ne1 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} Bd8 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 22. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:10]} Bc7 {
[%emt 0:00:05]} 23. f4 {[%emt 0:00:27]} Ne7 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 24. Rf2 {
[%emt 0:00:30]} Nf5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 25. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:14]} Rg3 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} 26. Bd2 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Qd8 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 27. Qc6 {
[%emt 0:00:35]} Qg8 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 28. Ba6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 0-1
OK, that was quite convincing. Now all that remains is for you to try the same against Komodo MCTS to see if you can still win so easily. I need to investigate why regular Komodo can't put up any resistance when down a rook; it does pretty well when down a knight.
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 6:18 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 3:24 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 5:13 am
lkaufman wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 4:10 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 3:38 am I did it because I forgot to tell the GUI that I could castle and it did not let me castle so I played it anyway knowing that I was ahead in material with no immediate bad consequence.

Here is another game with the g7 pawn removed, and Komodo resigned. I honestly believe that unless GM Lenderman give Komodo a pawn even with chess960 he should give a pawn in every game, Komodo would NOT have a chance. Now if Lenderman was rated like Jorge Sammour FIDE 2457 with your 32 core then on Chess960 without given Komodo a pawn odds it Might draw most of the games. :roll:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. c4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 2. d4 {[%emt 0:00:32]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:12]} 3. e3 {[%emt 0:00:12]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:36]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:05]
} 6. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:40]} Nxd5 {[%emt 0:00:11]}[/pgn]
What was your Contempt setting for this game? The way Komodo just let you trade queens early suggests to me that you were just using default (16). It should at least be 150 for handicaps of a knight or more. If you are just using default Contempt these games don't tell us anything, Komodo can't give big handicaps without a high Contempt setting.
I will replay this game from move 7 on tomorrow and make sure that I did Not forget to set contempt to 150 :shock:
Komodo 13.3 Resigned after I played 28. Ba6

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. c4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 2. d4 {[%emt 0:00:32]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:12]} 3. e3 {[%emt 0:00:12]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:36]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:05]
} 6. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:40]} Nxd5 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 7. Bc4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Be6
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:35]} Qb6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 9. Nbd2
{[%emt 0:00:41]} O-O-O {[%emt 0:00:45]} 10. Qe2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:18]} 11. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:19]} Kb8 {[%emt 0:00:59]} 12. Rd1 {
[%emt 0:00:42]} Rhg8 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 13. Kh1 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Bf6 {
[%emt 0:00:14]} 14. h3 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Qc7 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 15. Qf1 {
[%emt 0:00:13]} Bf5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 16. Be3 {[%emt 0:00:21]} e6 {
[%emt 0:00:31]} 17. Bxd5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Rxd5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 18. Qe2 {
[%emt 0:00:02]} Qd6 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 19. Rd2 {[%emt 0:00:39]} b6 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 20. Qd1 {[%emt 0:00:38]} Be4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 21. Ne1 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} Bd8 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 22. Kg1 {[%emt 0:00:10]} Bc7 {
[%emt 0:00:05]} 23. f4 {[%emt 0:00:27]} Ne7 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 24. Rf2 {
[%emt 0:00:30]} Nf5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 25. Qc1 {[%emt 0:00:14]} Rg3 {
[%emt 0:00:22]} 26. Bd2 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Qd8 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 27. Qc6 {
[%emt 0:00:35]} Qg8 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 28. Ba6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 0-1
OK, that was quite convincing. Now all that remains is for you to try the same against Komodo MCTS to see if you can still win so easily. I need to investigate why regular Komodo can't put up any resistance when down a rook; it does pretty well when down a knight.
I will play another game tomorrow with MCTS, but you should also try playing with the same Odds Queen Rook removed and critical g7 pawn for you Black removed to see how fast or in how many moves you can beat your Komodo Beast with 32 core and post it tomorrow as wellm it should be really easy for you.
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

This is the final position where Komodo 13.3 resigned, I was hoping that Komodo Checked my King with 29.Qg4+ I was planning to simply move my King to h8 and if Komodo Moved his knight to 30.Nf3 I would simply take the f2 pawn with my Bishop Check or 30...Bxf2+ 31.Rxf2...Re1+ and after Knight take Rook on e1, I would take his Rook with my Queen Qxf2 or 32.Nxe1 Qxf2+ and followed by Rook to h6. GM Lenderman would have to give a pawn to Komodo with all those possible positions that you mentioned Larry, otherwise, Komodo on your 32 core system will be killed every single game. :shock: :mrgreen: :lol:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "72"]

1. e3 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 2. c4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:04]} 3. d4 {[%emt 0:00:31]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:21]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 5. Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:13]
} 6. c5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 7. Ne2 {[%emt 0:00:25]} O-O {
[%emt 0:00:11]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:26]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 9. Bb5 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} Bb7 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 10. a3 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rc8 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} 11. b4 {[%emt 0:00:23]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:41]} 12. Bxc6 {
[%emt 0:00:29]} Bxc6 {[%emt 0:01:18]} 13. Ng3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} axb4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 14. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Qd7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 15. Bf4 {
[%emt 0:00:38]} bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 16. bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:05]} Ne4 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} 17. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:16]} Nxg3 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 18. hxg3 {
[%emt 0:00:39]} Bxd4 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 19. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:10]} 20. Qh5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Ba4 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 21. c6 {
[%emt 0:00:15]} Rxc6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 22. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} e5 {
[%emt 0:00:34]} 23. Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:30]} Rh6 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 24. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:23]} Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 25. Rb1 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Re8 {
[%emt 0:00:19]} 26. Qd3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Qa7 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 27. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:28]} Bd4 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 28. Rf1 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rf6 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 0-1[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 3:15 pm This is the final position where Komodo 13.3 resigned, I was hoping that Komodo Checked my King with 29.Qg4+ I was planning to simply move my King to h8 and if Komodo Moved his knight to 30.Nf3 I would simply take the f2 pawn with my Bishop Check or 30...Bxf2+ 31.Rxf2...Re1+ and after Knight take Rook on e1, I would take his Rook with my Queen Qxf2 or 32.Nxe1 Qxf2+ and followed by Rook to h6. GM Lenderman would have to give a pawn to Komodo with all those possible positions that you mentioned Larry, otherwise, Komodo on your 32 core system will be killed every single game. :shock: :mrgreen: :lol:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "72"]

1. e3 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 2. c4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:04]} 3. d4 {[%emt 0:00:31]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:21]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 5. Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:13]
} 6. c5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 7. Ne2 {[%emt 0:00:25]} O-O {
[%emt 0:00:11]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:26]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 9. Bb5 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} Bb7 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 10. a3 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rc8 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} 11. b4 {[%emt 0:00:23]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:41]} 12. Bxc6 {
[%emt 0:00:29]} Bxc6 {[%emt 0:01:18]} 13. Ng3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} axb4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 14. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Qd7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 15. Bf4 {
[%emt 0:00:38]} bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 16. bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:05]} Ne4 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} 17. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:16]} Nxg3 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 18. hxg3 {
[%emt 0:00:39]} Bxd4 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 19. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:10]} 20. Qh5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Ba4 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 21. c6 {
[%emt 0:00:15]} Rxc6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 22. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} e5 {
[%emt 0:00:34]} 23. Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:30]} Rh6 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 24. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:23]} Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 25. Rb1 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Re8 {
[%emt 0:00:19]} 26. Qd3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Qa7 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 27. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:28]} Bd4 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 28. Rf1 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rf6 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 0-1[/pgn]
Here is an Extra game
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1nbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "60"]

1. b4 {[%emt 0:00:35]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:38]} 2. a3 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Nf6 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} 3. Bb2 {[%emt 0:00:42]} c5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 4. e3 {
[%emt 0:00:35]} cxb4 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 5. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Nc6 {
[%emt 0:00:24]} 6. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:14]} Nxb4 {[%emt 0:00:20]} 7. Bb5+ {
[%emt 0:00:04]} Bd7 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 8. Bxd7+ {[%emt 0:00:20]} Nxd7 {
[%emt 0:00:08]} 9. O-O {[%emt 0:00:17]} a6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 10. Rc1 {
[%emt 0:00:07]} Qc7 {[%emt 0:00:42]} 11. h3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {
[%emt 0:00:50]} 12. d3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:41]} 13. Nbd2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 14. Ba3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} Re8 {
[%emt 0:00:07]} 15. Ne1 {[%emt 0:00:39]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 16. Bb2 {
[%emt 0:00:37]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 17. Nef3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} b5 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 18. d4 {[%emt 0:00:36]} exd4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} 19. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:33]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:01:04]} 20. c3 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nb6 {
[%emt 0:00:27]} 21. Rab1 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Qd7 {[%emt 0:00:51]} 22. c4 {
[%emt 0:00:30]} Nb4 {[%emt 0:00:50]} 23. cxb5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nd3 {
[%emt 0:00:14]} 24. Rc6 {[%emt 0:00:15]} Nd5 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 25. Nf1 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} Re2 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 26. Bc1 {[%emt 0:00:29]} Rxf2 {
[%emt 0:00:29]} 27. b6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qb7 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 28. Rc4 {
[%emt 0:00:11]} Bd8 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 29. Ne1 {[%emt 0:00:16]} N5b4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 30. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Rxg2+ {[%emt 0:00:12]} 0-1[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 5:19 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 3:15 pm This is the final position where Komodo 13.3 resigned, I was hoping that Komodo Checked my King with 29.Qg4+ I was planning to simply move my King to h8 and if Komodo Moved his knight to 30.Nf3 I would simply take the f2 pawn with my Bishop Check or 30...Bxf2+ 31.Rxf2...Re1+ and after Knight take Rook on e1, I would take his Rook with my Queen Qxf2 or 32.Nxe1 Qxf2+ and followed by Rook to h6. GM Lenderman would have to give a pawn to Komodo with all those possible positions that you mentioned Larry, otherwise, Komodo on your 32 core system will be killed every single game. :shock: :mrgreen: :lol:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "72"]

1. e3 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 2. c4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:04]} 3. d4 {[%emt 0:00:31]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:21]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 5. Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:13]
} 6. c5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 7. Ne2 {[%emt 0:00:25]} O-O {
[%emt 0:00:11]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:26]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 9. Bb5 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} Bb7 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 10. a3 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rc8 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} 11. b4 {[%emt 0:00:23]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:41]} 12. Bxc6 {
[%emt 0:00:29]} Bxc6 {[%emt 0:01:18]} 13. Ng3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} axb4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 14. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Qd7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 15. Bf4 {
[%emt 0:00:38]} bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 16. bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:05]} Ne4 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} 17. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:16]} Nxg3 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 18. hxg3 {
[%emt 0:00:39]} Bxd4 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 19. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:10]} 20. Qh5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Ba4 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 21. c6 {
[%emt 0:00:15]} Rxc6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 22. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} e5 {
[%emt 0:00:34]} 23. Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:30]} Rh6 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 24. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:23]} Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 25. Rb1 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Re8 {
[%emt 0:00:19]} 26. Qd3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Qa7 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 27. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:28]} Bd4 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 28. Rf1 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rf6 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 0-1[/pgn]
Here is an Extra game!
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1nbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "60"]

1. b4 {[%emt 0:00:35]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:38]} 2. a3 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Nf6 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} 3. Bb2 {[%emt 0:00:42]} c5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 4. e3 {
[%emt 0:00:35]} cxb4 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 5. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Nc6 {
[%emt 0:00:24]} 6. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:14]} Nxb4 {[%emt 0:00:20]} 7. Bb5+ {
[%emt 0:00:04]} Bd7 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 8. Bxd7+ {[%emt 0:00:20]} Nxd7 {
[%emt 0:00:08]} 9. O-O {[%emt 0:00:17]} a6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 10. Rc1 {
[%emt 0:00:07]} Qc7 {[%emt 0:00:42]} 11. h3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {
[%emt 0:00:50]} 12. d3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:41]} 13. Nbd2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 14. Ba3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} Re8 {
[%emt 0:00:07]} 15. Ne1 {[%emt 0:00:39]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 16. Bb2 {
[%emt 0:00:37]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 17. Nef3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} b5 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 18. d4 {[%emt 0:00:36]} exd4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} 19. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:33]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:01:04]} 20. c3 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nb6 {
[%emt 0:00:27]} 21. Rab1 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Qd7 {[%emt 0:00:51]} 22. c4 {
[%emt 0:00:30]} Nb4 {[%emt 0:00:50]} 23. cxb5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nd3 {
[%emt 0:00:14]} 24. Rc6 {[%emt 0:00:15]} Nd5 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 25. Nf1 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} Re2 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 26. Bc1 {[%emt 0:00:29]} Rxf2 {
[%emt 0:00:29]} 27. b6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qb7 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 28. Rc4 {
[%emt 0:00:11]} Bd8 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 29. Ne1 {[%emt 0:00:16]} N5b4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 30. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Rxg2+ {[%emt 0:00:12]} 0-1[/pgn]
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Full name: Larry Kaufman

Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 04, 2020 1:09 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 5:19 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 3:15 pm This is the final position where Komodo 13.3 resigned, I was hoping that Komodo Checked my King with 29.Qg4+ I was planning to simply move my King to h8 and if Komodo Moved his knight to 30.Nf3 I would simply take the f2 pawn with my Bishop Check or 30...Bxf2+ 31.Rxf2...Re1+ and after Knight take Rook on e1, I would take his Rook with my Queen Qxf2 or 32.Nxe1 Qxf2+ and followed by Rook to h6. GM Lenderman would have to give a pawn to Komodo with all those possible positions that you mentioned Larry, otherwise, Komodo on your 32 core system will be killed every single game. :shock: :mrgreen: :lol:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "ChessQueen"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppp1p/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "72"]

1. e3 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 2. c4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} c5 {
[%emt 0:00:04]} 3. d4 {[%emt 0:00:31]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 4. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:21]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 5. Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:13]
} 6. c5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 7. Ne2 {[%emt 0:00:25]} O-O {
[%emt 0:00:11]} 8. O-O {[%emt 0:00:26]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 9. Bb5 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} Bb7 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 10. a3 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rc8 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} 11. b4 {[%emt 0:00:23]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:41]} 12. Bxc6 {
[%emt 0:00:29]} Bxc6 {[%emt 0:01:18]} 13. Ng3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} axb4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 14. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Qd7 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 15. Bf4 {
[%emt 0:00:38]} bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 16. bxc5 {[%emt 0:00:05]} Ne4 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} 17. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:16]} Nxg3 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 18. hxg3 {
[%emt 0:00:39]} Bxd4 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 19. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Bg7 {
[%emt 0:00:10]} 20. Qh5 {[%emt 0:00:34]} Ba4 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 21. c6 {
[%emt 0:00:15]} Rxc6 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 22. Nd2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} e5 {
[%emt 0:00:34]} 23. Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:30]} Rh6 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 24. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:23]} Bxe5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 25. Rb1 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Re8 {
[%emt 0:00:19]} 26. Qd3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Qa7 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 27. Qf3 {
[%emt 0:00:28]} Bd4 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 28. Rf1 {[%emt 0:00:18]} Rf6 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 0-1[/pgn]
Here is an Extra game!
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1nbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "60"]

1. b4 {[%emt 0:00:35]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:38]} 2. a3 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Nf6 {
[%emt 0:00:06]} 3. Bb2 {[%emt 0:00:42]} c5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 4. e3 {
[%emt 0:00:35]} cxb4 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 5. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Nc6 {
[%emt 0:00:24]} 6. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:14]} Nxb4 {[%emt 0:00:20]} 7. Bb5+ {
[%emt 0:00:04]} Bd7 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 8. Bxd7+ {[%emt 0:00:20]} Nxd7 {
[%emt 0:00:08]} 9. O-O {[%emt 0:00:17]} a6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 10. Rc1 {
[%emt 0:00:07]} Qc7 {[%emt 0:00:42]} 11. h3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {
[%emt 0:00:50]} 12. d3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:41]} 13. Nbd2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 14. Ba3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} Re8 {
[%emt 0:00:07]} 15. Ne1 {[%emt 0:00:39]} b6 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 16. Bb2 {
[%emt 0:00:37]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 17. Nef3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} b5 {
[%emt 0:00:17]} 18. d4 {[%emt 0:00:36]} exd4 {[%emt 0:00:28]} 19. exd4 {
[%emt 0:00:33]} Bf6 {[%emt 0:01:04]} 20. c3 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Nb6 {
[%emt 0:00:27]} 21. Rab1 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Qd7 {[%emt 0:00:51]} 22. c4 {
[%emt 0:00:30]} Nb4 {[%emt 0:00:50]} 23. cxb5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nd3 {
[%emt 0:00:14]} 24. Rc6 {[%emt 0:00:15]} Nd5 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 25. Nf1 {
[%emt 0:00:20]} Re2 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 26. Bc1 {[%emt 0:00:29]} Rxf2 {
[%emt 0:00:29]} 27. b6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qb7 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 28. Rc4 {
[%emt 0:00:11]} Bd8 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 29. Ne1 {[%emt 0:00:16]} N5b4 {
[%emt 0:00:26]} 30. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Rxg2+ {[%emt 0:00:12]} 0-1[/pgn]
The initial assessment of the queen for rook and pawn position in this game by Komodo is actually worse for White than full rook odds, so of course you would win this one. But you have made your point, it's clear that Komodo on your computer can't give you rook for pawn handicap successfully, and I'm pretty sure that I would win that way against my 32 core machine, since I beat it at just knight odds by 4.5 to 1.5. I think you are right that Komodo will do poorly in the four games with Lenderman at full knight odds in FRC positions, but we've already agreed on the terms. I need to start playing Komodo at the same odds as Lenderman, so that in case I win any games we can try to make changes to address that. We already made one change partly inspired by the results of you and your friends; I don't know if it will make much difference though, but it should help a little at least in these handicap games. It seems to me that since you have scored so well at rook for pawn, you should at least have fair chances at pure knight odds, it's not that much less of a handicap. If you have no chance at knight odds, we have a mystery to solve.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

The initial assessment of the queen for rook and pawn position in this game by Komodo is actually worse for White than full rook odds, so of course you would win this one. But you have made your point, it's clear that Komodo on your computer can't give you rook for pawn handicap successfully, and I'm pretty sure that I would win that way against my 32 core machine, since I beat it at just knight odds by 4.5 to 1.5. I think you are right that Komodo will do poorly in the four games with Lenderman at full knight odds in FRC positions, but we've already agreed on the terms. I need to start playing Komodo at the same odds as Lenderman, so that in case I win any games we can try to make changes to address that. We already made one change partly inspired by the results of you and your friends; I don't know if it will make much difference though, but it should help a little at least in these handicap games. It seems to me that since you have scored so well at rook for pawn, you should at least have fair chances at pure knight odds, it's not that much less of a handicap. If you have no chance at knight odds, we have a mystery to solve.
[/quote]

Okay tomorrow I will play and continue this Position since I am ready to go to bed, but I do NOT believe that I have a chance against Komodo with a knight Odds, I m NOT there yet probably with 5 or 6 more training with my online GM trainer I might or might not be ready to take mighty Komodo with a Knight odds, and it might never happen since I am not that young anymore, but my trainer always tell me that I have a sharp and smart brain o well I am not gaining any more cells on my brain as the day go on. :roll: :mrgreen:

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%emt 0:00:28]} *
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 04, 2020 4:57 am The initial assessment of the queen for rook and pawn position in this game by Komodo is actually worse for White than full rook odds, so of course you would win this one. But you have made your point, it's clear that Komodo on your computer can't give you rook for pawn handicap successfully, and I'm pretty sure that I would win that way against my 32 core machine, since I beat it at just knight odds by 4.5 to 1.5. I think you are right that Komodo will do poorly in the four games with Lenderman at full knight odds in FRC positions, but we've already agreed on the terms. I need to start playing Komodo at the same odds as Lenderman, so that in case I win any games we can try to make changes to address that. We already made one change partly inspired by the results of you and your friends; I don't know if it will make much difference though, but it should help a little at least in these handicap games. It seems to me that since you have scored so well at rook for pawn, you should at least have fair chances at pure knight odds, it's not that much less of a handicap. If you have no chance at knight odds, we have a mystery to solve.
Okay tomorrow I will play and continue this Position since I am ready to go to bed, but I do NOT believe that I have a chance against Komodo with a knight Odds, I m NOT there yet probably with 5 or 6 more training with my online GM trainer I might or might not be ready to take mighty Komodo with a Knight odds, and it might never happen since I am not that young anymore, but my trainer always tell me that I have a sharp and smart brain o well I am not gaining any more cells on my brain as the day go on. :roll: :mrgreen:

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]

1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%emt 0:00:28]} *
[/quote]

Knight plus White handicap (as here) is actually a larger handicap according to Komodo than rook (a1) for pawn (g7), an assessment that I am inclined to agree with. If you come out behind at knight plus White but win rather consistently at rook for pawn, it's not related to your skill or your age, but reflects something about Komodo I think. If I can figure out the explanation, we might be able to improve Komodo from this. Of course you could just be good at using rooks and poor at using knights, but that seems unlikely.
Komodo rules!