Sloppy 0.1.1 released

[Christopher Conkie]

From what I have seen in Sloppy it is original and is only GPL because that is what the author chooses. Sure it has ideas from Fruit but there is nothing wrong with that at all. I was asked by someone to look at the eval function because it is the "same" as Fruit 2.1. My reply is simply that he wrote it in his own code. Let’s back off and give some credit for Sloppy and its author for the hard work.

Ryan

Well said Ryan.

Regards, Graham.

You used to be quite sensible. If you are looking for originality then copying the evaluation terms of another program is not going to get you that.

I should really let you lot rot in hell with your warped ideas on originality.

He might change the evaluation terms, in fact it would be trivial to do but until then......Sloppy is a clone.

CCRL tests clones all the time anyway....should not affect you much.

[Christopher Conkie]

Sloppy is not Toga and Toga is not Fruit.

And George W. Bush went to war in Iraq not for oil but for freedom sake.

Now we know.......

Toga is not Fruit

Very funny....very very very funny......

[Graham Banks]

From what I have seen in Sloppy it is original and is only GPL because that is what the author chooses. Sure it has ideas from Fruit but there is nothing wrong with that at all. I was asked by someone to look at the eval function because it is the "same" as Fruit 2.1. My reply is simply that he wrote it in his own code. Let’s back off and give some credit for Sloppy and its author for the hard work.

Ryan

Well said Ryan.

Regards, Graham.

You used to be quite sensible. If you are looking for originality then copying the evaluation terms of another program is not going to get you that.

I should really let you lot rot in hell with your warped ideas on originality.

He might change the evaluation terms, in fact it would be trivial to do but until then......Sloppy is a clone.

CCRL tests clones all the time anyway....should not affect you much.

Chris - Ryan has been developing Fruit, so shouldn't I be listening to what he says on the issue?

I know that you and some others regard Strelka and Toga as clones, but what other engines does CCRL test that you believe are clones?
Just interested.

Regards, Graham.

[Christopher Conkie]

From what I have seen in Sloppy it is original and is only GPL because that is what the author chooses. Sure it has ideas from Fruit but there is nothing wrong with that at all. I was asked by someone to look at the eval function because it is the "same" as Fruit 2.1. My reply is simply that he wrote it in his own code. Let’s back off and give some credit for Sloppy and its author for the hard work.

Ryan

Well said Ryan.

Regards, Graham.

You used to be quite sensible. If you are looking for originality then copying the evaluation terms of another program is not going to get you that.

I should really let you lot rot in hell with your warped ideas on originality.

He might change the evaluation terms, in fact it would be trivial to do but until then......Sloppy is a clone.

CCRL tests clones all the time anyway....should not affect you much.

Chris - Ryan has been developing Fruit, so shouldn't I be listening to what he says on the issue?

I know that you and some others regard Strelka and Toga as clones, but what other engines does CCRL test that you believe are clones?
Just interested.

Regards, Graham.

Are Strelka and Toga not enough for you?



http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 28&t=17305

But we wont tell you. You don't deserve to know.......

Christopher

[Graham Banks]

Chris - Ryan has been developing Fruit, so shouldn't I be listening to what he says on the issue?

I know that you and some others regard Strelka and Toga as clones, but what other engines does CCRL test that you believe are clones?
Just interested.

Regards, Graham.

Are Strelka and Toga not enough for you?



http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 28&t=17305

But we wont tell you. You don't deserve to know.......

Christopher

I think that almost every man and his dog tests Toga, and there are still different views on Toga one way or the other.

As for Strelka, I was pretty sure that that hadn't been decided one way or the other either.

Regards, Graham.

[revengeska]

Sloppy is not Toga and Toga is not Fruit.

And George W. Bush went to war in Iraq not for oil but for freedom sake.

Now we know.......

Toga is not Fruit

Very funny....very very very funny......

This isn't CTF, so I won't get started on politics.

You must be way behind in the computer chess world. Because if you weren't, you'd realize there's noticeable differences in how Toga and Fruit play, as well as a difference in strength. That doesn't happen unless there's considerable differences in code.

I realize you're mad because you can't write closed source programs that are strong enough for anyone to notice, After all, if all programs had to be closed source, the general strength of chess engines would be much lower and it would be easier for you to make some money with weaker engines.

I suppose that's why you call the GPL the General Plagarists License. But as you have the right to proprietary software, we have the right to free software. So deal with it.

I wish Richard Stallman would visit these boards, he'd have a fit.

[Christopher Conkie]

Chris - Ryan has been developing Fruit, so shouldn't I be listening to what he says on the issue?

I know that you and some others regard Strelka and Toga as clones, but what other engines does CCRL test that you believe are clones?
Just interested.

Regards, Graham.

Are Strelka and Toga not enough for you?



http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 28&t=17305

But we wont tell you. You don't deserve to know.......

Christopher

I think that almost every man and his dog tests Toga, and there are still different views on Toga one way or the other.

As for Strelka, I was pretty sure that that hadn't been decided one way or the other either.

Regards, Graham.

We are sure about both.

It depends on whether you like testing the same thing.

Me? I save time because I don't.

You? Maybe you have nothing better to do......It's not a crime just a complete waste of time.

Have you tested Goyaz yet? The author sent me a nice message.

Goyaz is very nice as is every new engine.

[Ryan Benitez]

Sloppy is not Toga and Toga is not Fruit.

And George W. Bush went to war in Iraq not for oil but for freedom sake.

Now we know.......

Toga is not Fruit

Very funny....very very very funny......

This isn't CTF, so I won't get started on politics.

You must be way behind in the computer chess world. Because if you weren't, you'd realize there's noticeable differences in how Toga and Fruit play, as well as a difference in strength. That doesn't happen unless there's considerable differences in code.

I realize you're mad because you can't write closed source programs that are strong enough for anyone to notice, After all, if all programs had to be closed source, the general strength of chess engines would be much lower and it would be easier for you to make some money with weaker engines.

I suppose that's why you call the GPL the General Plagarists License. But as you have the right to proprietary software, we have the right to free software. So deal with it.

I wish Richard Stallman would visit these boards, he'd have a fit.

RMS has enough fits anyway. Just another crazy guy with a great theory. In computer chess the results have been disappointing though, one bad apple makes the good ones look bad. That is why good GPL engines like Sloppy have an uphill battle.

[revengeska]

Sloppy is not Toga and Toga is not Fruit.

And George W. Bush went to war in Iraq not for oil but for freedom sake.

Now we know.......

Toga is not Fruit

Very funny....very very very funny......

This isn't CTF, so I won't get started on politics.

You must be way behind in the computer chess world. Because if you weren't, you'd realize there's noticeable differences in how Toga and Fruit play, as well as a difference in strength. That doesn't happen unless there's considerable differences in code.

I realize you're mad because you can't write closed source programs that are strong enough for anyone to notice, After all, if all programs had to be closed source, the general strength of chess engines would be much lower and it would be easier for you to make some money with weaker engines.

I suppose that's why you call the GPL the General Plagarists License. But as you have the right to proprietary software, we have the right to free software. So deal with it.

I wish Richard Stallman would visit these boards, he'd have a fit.

RMS has enough fits anyway. Just another crazy guy with a great theory. In computer chess the results have been disappointing though, one bad apple makes the good ones look bad. That is why good GPL engines like Sloppy have an uphill battle.

This is true. I don't go to the lengths that Mr. Stallman does about free software, but I do absolutely believe people have a right to it. In the days of Vista, this keeps people sane. Only in the computer chess world does it seem that people will directly attack open source. Even Microsoft doesn't DIRECTLY attack it.

[Christopher Conkie]

Sloppy is not Toga and Toga is not Fruit.

And George W. Bush went to war in Iraq not for oil but for freedom sake.

Now we know.......

Toga is not Fruit

Very funny....very very very funny......

This isn't CTF, so I won't get started on politics.

Yes...better not. Don't want you to fall through the ice.....

You must be way behind in the computer chess world. Because if you weren't, you'd realize there's noticeable differences in how Toga and Fruit play, as well as a difference in strength. That doesn't happen unless there's considerable differences in code.

How much code needs to be the same for you and which parts?

I think you better take a look at both sources before make such sweeping generalisations.

I realize you're mad because you can't write closed source programs that are strong enough for anyone to notice, After all, if all programs had to be closed source, the general strength of chess engines would be much lower and it would be easier for you to make some money with weaker engines.

How so? Because we would nopt get these....?

Azaad (?/Rybka), Bionic (Hans Secelle, Albrecht Heeffer/Crafty), Capachess (Wilfredo J Malave Davila/TSCP), Christine_T (Orlando Mouchel/Fruit), Confess (?/?), Deep<9> (Denis Grafen/Chess Tiger, Pepito), Dick Skinner (?/?), ElChinito (Eugenio Castillo Jimenez, Pascal Tang/Crafty), Enano (Oscar Anibal Corona G/TSCP), Goofy (?/Greko), Gnd0 (Syed Kamall Basar/Rybka, Naum), HardwareHarveyX55 (?/Hiarcs), Hydra (?/Fruit), Kerostave (?/Fruit, Toga), LaPetite / LaGrande / Voyager (Dr. Gabrielle Müller/Crfaty), LordKing (Carlo Pivotto/Fruit), LuiZa (Marco Artale/Faile), Moga (?/Toga), Monster, Nr5 (Horst Stör/Fruit), Ocha (?/Rybka), OldBlindDog (Bill Oatman/Arasan), Peter (Peter Plunkett/Rybka), Quaestor V (José Franco Zenon/GreKo), Rashess (Mehdi Niakouei/Pharaon), Rocket (?/Rybka), Rocky, Rucsil (?/Rybka), Sally6 (?/Nejmet), Siboney (Francisco Rivera/Pepito, Cerebro), Squash (Josh Haglund/TSCP), Tec_Kika (?/?), Tommy (?/?), Tuxedo (Ananth Shrinivas S/TSCP), Ultima (Chinmay Kulkarni/?), Wincraft (Winfred Craft/?)

I suppose that's why you call the GPL the General Plagarists License. But as you have the right to proprietary software, we have the right to free software. So deal with it.

I believe we live in a dishonest world where temptation rules rational thought. It's a bit like needing oil really. How are the gas prices in the US btw?

Never mind....you could spend your money in a different way. I won't get acid rain either......

http://www.thelinuxshop.co.uk/catalog/index.php

These thing are NOT free as in "free beer". These things are free as in free to sell.



You too could look like a square.......only $20 to the free GPL community.

http://www.gnu.org/gear/gplv3-tshirt.html

Why bother with scissors.....grow that hair..."man".

http://www.gnu.org/gear/gplv3-hoodie.html

I wish Richard Stallman would visit these boards, he'd have a fit.

Good. Let's hope it's terminal.

Christopher