World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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Although the position looks about even for both the sides evaluation wise, Kramnik is more prone to making blunders especially in this type of position.
It's risky.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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swami wrote:Although the position looks about even for both the sides evaluation wise, Kramnik is more prone to making blunders especially in this type of position.
It's risky.
Yes, not to talk about so much for blacks two bishops.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "37"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 18. Nxd6+ Kf8 19. Nxc8 *

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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swami wrote:Although the position looks about even for both the sides evaluation wise, Kramnik is more prone to making blunders especially in this type of position.
It's risky.
Like I mentioned earlier and you commented on it as well, Kramnik needs that Bishop on e6, he's making it hard on himself delaying the developement of the Q-Side Bishop.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "38"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 18. Nxd6+ Kf8 19. Nxc8 Rxc8 *

[d]2r2kr1/1p2qpbp/p1n5/3R1p2/5Q2/1N6/PPP3PP/2K2B1R w - - 0 20
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "39"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 18. Nxd6+ Kf8 19. Nxc8 Rxc8 20. Kb1 *

[d]2r2kr1/1p2qpbp/p1n5/3R1p2/5Q2/1N6/PPP3PP/1K3B1R b - - 0 20
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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why the Kb1?? c3 would have been better.

Qe1+ and Black will have some initiative.




Anand,V - Kramnik,V, WCC2008 Bonn 2008
[d] 2r2kr1/1p2qpbp/p1n5/3R1p2/5Q2/1N6/PPP3PP/1K3B1R b - - 0 1

Analysis by bright-0.3a:

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20...Qe1+ 21.Nc1 Qb4 22.Qd6+ Qxd6 23.Rxd6 Be5 24.Rd7 Rc7 25.Rd5 Re7 26.c3 Rg4 27.Nb3 Re4 
  +/=  (0.30)   Depth: 12/40   00:00:00  2781kN
20...Qe1+ 21.Nc1 Qb4 22.Nd3 Qxf4 23.Nxf4 Re8 24.Nd3 f4 25.Rf5 Bh6 26.h3 Rg3 27.c4 Nd4 
  +/=  (0.50)   Depth: 13/40   00:00:03  11009kN
20...Qe1+ 21.Nc1 Qb4 22.Qxb4+ Nxb4 23.Rd7 Nxc2 24.Bd3 Ne3 25.Re1 Bh6 26.g3 b5 27.Nb3 Kg7 28.Nd4 Rc5 
  +/=  (0.48)   Depth: 14/40   00:00:09  29467kN
20...Qe1+ 21.Nc1 Qb4 22.Qxb4+ Nxb4 23.Rd7 Nxc2 24.Rxb7 Ne3 25.g3 f4 26.Bxa6 f3 27.Re1 Bd4 28.Rd7 f2 
  +/=  (0.50)   Depth: 15/45   00:00:20  63657kN
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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Terry McCracken wrote:
swami wrote:Although the position looks about even for both the sides evaluation wise, Kramnik is more prone to making blunders especially in this type of position.
It's risky.
Like I mentioned earlier and you commented on it as well, Kramnik needs that Bishop on e6, he's making it hard on himself delaying the developement of the Q-Side Bishop.
Yes, agreed. It was Kramnik's positional error. Bishop on e6 and Bishop on g7 would have controlled more diagonals, that too facing the opponents castled king on the queen side.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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swami wrote:why the Kb1?? c3 would have been better.

Qe1+ and Black will have some initiative.
19. Nxc8 and 20. Kb1 are moves suggested by Rybka 3 at depth 20.
So, Anand may be getting his rhythm back. :wink:
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "40"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 Qe7
15. Qg3 Rg8 16. Qf4 fxe4 17. Nxe4 f5 18. Nxd6+ Kf8 19. Nxc8 Rxc8 20. Kb1 Qe1+ *

[d]2r2kr1/1p3pbp/p1n5/3R1p2/5Q2/1N6/PPP3PP/1K2qB1R w - - 0 21
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