Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A Testing 39 of 100 played.

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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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lkaufman wrote:
mwyoung wrote:.

P.S. I don't think 2m+12s is a weird TC. It is played by thousands of players. I play this time control myself. It is a popular online TC. And it is one of the default preset testing TC in the Houdini 4 GUI.
It is not weird, it is simply inefficient. Many dead drawn endgames have to be played to the bitter end taking 12 seconds per move. Another characteristic of it is that it largely removes time management as a factor, since the allocation of the base time is no longer significant and using an increment is pretty straightforward. Whether this is a plus or a minus is a matter of personal preference.
That is all true, I don't adjudicate any game. And all games are played to checkmate. And I don't test the most efficient way, I test one engine per chip and GUI not cores.

I test what I test because it is of interest to myself. I don't look or test a certain way because others test this way. I want to know if certain things affect certain engines one way or the others. Testing a engine for me is an investigation. Sometime this pays off and I learn something about a engine.
I don't run a public rating list. I am not trying to be CCRL or others. If you only want that perspective. I am very comfortable with that outlook.

When I started testing chess computers for myself back in the 80's. I had to test every engine by hand. And look, play, and record every game by hand. Calculate the ratings by hand. There were few reliable sources of information. I am a throw back.
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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mwyoung wrote:
Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
Let's cool it here. That would be good for the thread...

Miguel
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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michiguel wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
Let's cool it here. That would be good for the thread...

Miguel
The thread has gone hyper :P :D
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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ernest wrote:
mwyoung wrote:...i am almost tired of being right.
You were only right in giving the correct interpretation of the Elo in your table, as many people don't and I am surprised Ronald de Man also made that mistake.
Mistakes happen :-)
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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michiguel wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
Let's cool it here. That would be good for the thread...

Miguel
Yes it would be nice, what are you doing about it. Milos has been attacking my testing falsely and me personally for many days now. I have not initiated one conversation with Milos, only responded, because you have done nothing to stop it.
"The worst thing that can happen to a forum is a running wild attacking moderator(HGM) who is not corrected by the community." - Ed Schröder
But my words like silent raindrops fell. And echoed in the wells of silence.
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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mwyoung wrote:
michiguel wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
Let's cool it here. That would be good for the thread...

Miguel
Yes it would be nice, what are you doing about it. Milos has been attacking my testing falsely and me personally for many days now. I have not initiated one conversation with Milos, only responded, because you have done nothing to stop it.
That is incorrect. Actions were taken. However, at any moment you felt that Milos harassed you, you could have (and should do so in the future) submitted a complaint to the mods. Either use the 'Report Post' button, or send a pm.
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

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Adam Hair wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
michiguel wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
Let's cool it here. That would be good for the thread...

Miguel
Yes it would be nice, what are you doing about it. Milos has been attacking my testing falsely and me personally for many days now. I have not initiated one conversation with Milos, only responded, because you have done nothing to stop it.
That is incorrect. Actions were taken. However, at any moment you felt that Milos harassed you, you could have (and should do so in the future) submitted a complaint to the mods. Either use the 'Report Post' button, or send a pm.
I am sorry Adam, the only action I have seen is that it continues....
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But my words like silent raindrops fell. And echoed in the wells of silence.
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

Post by Adam Hair »

mwyoung wrote:
Adam Hair wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
michiguel wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
Let's cool it here. That would be good for the thread...

Miguel
Yes it would be nice, what are you doing about it. Milos has been attacking my testing falsely and me personally for many days now. I have not initiated one conversation with Milos, only responded, because you have done nothing to stop it.
That is incorrect. Actions were taken. However, at any moment you felt that Milos harassed you, you could have (and should do so in the future) submitted a complaint to the mods. Either use the 'Report Post' button, or send a pm.
I am sorry Adam, the only action I have seen is that it continues....
Because Milos is a determined person :lol:
However, it will be a couple of days before he can resume his antisocial behavior.
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Re: Stockfish 020114 - Houdini 4 x64A 74 of 100 played.

Post by mwyoung »

Adam Hair wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Adam Hair wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
michiguel wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Milos wrote:
mwyoung wrote:My PGN have all depth, time, and move info in them. All you have to do is put them into a fritz GUI.
Fritz GUI is piece of crap (I don't posses that piece of crap and don't intend to use it in my life) and its PGNs don't contain any depth information.
Only totally illiterate person could claim that after looking into them.
There are many things other then a fritz GUI you don't posses.
Let's cool it here. That would be good for the thread...

Miguel
Yes it would be nice, what are you doing about it. Milos has been attacking my testing falsely and me personally for many days now. I have not initiated one conversation with Milos, only responded, because you have done nothing to stop it.
That is incorrect. Actions were taken. However, at any moment you felt that Milos harassed you, you could have (and should do so in the future) submitted a complaint to the mods. Either use the 'Report Post' button, or send a pm.
I am sorry Adam, the only action I have seen is that it continues....
Because Milos is a determined person :lol:
However, it will be a couple of days before he can resume his antisocial behavior.
Thank you.
"The worst thing that can happen to a forum is a running wild attacking moderator(HGM) who is not corrected by the community." - Ed Schröder
But my words like silent raindrops fell. And echoed in the wells of silence.