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Steve B
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Re: Move 26...

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tano-urayoan wrote:
BubbaTough wrote:
michiguel wrote:
playjunior wrote:Is it me or are we in a horrible shape?
I would have preferred Bc3 (I got no internet connection and I missed the vote arrrrghhh...) but we are not that bad. We are just a pawn down.
We need to blockade b4, we possibly end up trading dark sq. bishops, and that will mean our post in b4 will be secure. Then, we should try to organize our pieces to play d5 (defending e6). Once cxd5 Bxd5 is played, white weakness in b3 + our better bishop will give great drawing chances.

Miguel
Ahh...the first man to state a plan. got to appreciate that (as well as the optimism). There might be a tactical issue with Bc3 though (not sure, I have no board right now and I am terrible with computer screen chess). What if 27. Qg3, doesn't that force a queen trade? Or are you ok with that? Something along the lines of 27. Qg3 Qxg3 28. hxg3 Bb4 looks kind of lost to me (not to say the starting position is any good).

-Sam
Didn't you read my earlier post? "The move could be either Bd6 or Bc3 As both made a partial blockade of b4 square. Bd6 should be better because it keeps the pressure in h2 so the white queen could not move yet. I suppose the machine will play Reb2 or Bd2. Against either move Bb4"
Actually i could not even see the Bc3 in your post
i think it was the color you used but it appeared as a blank space to me

perhaps it appeared that way to others as well??
Steve
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Re: Move 26...

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tano-urayoan wrote:
BubbaTough wrote:
michiguel wrote:
playjunior wrote:Is it me or are we in a horrible shape?
I would have preferred Bc3 (I got no internet connection and I missed the vote arrrrghhh...) but we are not that bad. We are just a pawn down.
We need to blockade b4, we possibly end up trading dark sq. bishops, and that will mean our post in b4 will be secure. Then, we should try to organize our pieces to play d5 (defending e6). Once cxd5 Bxd5 is played, white weakness in b3 + our better bishop will give great drawing chances.

Miguel
Ahh...the first man to state a plan. got to appreciate that (as well as the optimism). There might be a tactical issue with Bc3 though (not sure, I have no board right now and I am terrible with computer screen chess). What if 27. Qg3, doesn't that force a queen trade? Or are you ok with that? Something along the lines of 27. Qg3 Qxg3 28. hxg3 Bb4 looks kind of lost to me (not to say the starting position is any good).

-Sam
Didn't you read my earlier post? "The move could be either Bd6 or Bc3 As both made a partial blockade of b4 square. Bd6 should be better because it keeps the pressure in h2 so the white queen could not move yet. I suppose the machine will play Reb2 or Bd2. Against either move Bb4"
OK, good point. Not the first man with the plan (in fact, everyone voting for Bd6 or Bc3 kind of has the same implicit blockade thought). I guess I was just swept away with the idea someone thought we were not lost :). So what do you think, ...Bd6 is superior because it prevents Qg3, or Bc3 Qg3 is just fine. I can't say I have much confidence in the blockade and am tempted to do something bizarre like Ra8 or Qd6, but since I really have no plan (and no time for real analysis) I don't have the heart to suggest it seriously.

-Sam
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Re: Move 26...

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In keeping with voting with the first man with a plan, I will give Tano-Urayoan Russi Roma my vote via proxy :).

-Sam
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Re: Move 26...

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Steve B wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote: Didn't you read my earlier post? "The move could be either Bd6 or Bc3 As both made a partial blockade of b4 square. Bd6 should be better because it keeps the pressure in h2 so the white queen could not move yet. I suppose the machine will play Reb2 or Bd2. Against either move Bb4"
Actually i could not even see the Bc3 in your post
i think it was the color you used but it appeared as a blank space to me

perhaps it appeared that way to others as well??
Steve
It appears as blank to me also.
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Re: Move 26...

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Steve B wrote:Actually i could not even see the Bc3 in your post
i think it was the color you used but it appeared as a blank space to me

perhaps it appeared that way to others as well??
Steve
Sorry Mr. B I got experimental with this colored moves. My suggestions are either Bc3 or Bd6, favoring the last.
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Re: Move 26...

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Steve B wrote:Actually i could not even see the Bc3 in your post
i think it was the color you used but it appeared as a blank space to me

perhaps it appeared that way to others as well??
Steve
Sorry Mr. B I got experimental with this colored moves. My suggestions are either Bc3 or Bd6, favoring the last.
i think Bd6 is still the leading vote getter?
someone please confirm this
anyone know the exact vote counts for Bc3 or Bd6 as i write this?

Steve
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Re: Move 26...

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Steve B wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote:
Steve B wrote:Actually i could not even see the Bc3 in your post
i think it was the color you used but it appeared as a blank space to me

perhaps it appeared that way to others as well??
Steve
Sorry Mr. B I got experimental with this colored moves. My suggestions are either Bc3 or Bd6, favoring the last.
i think Bd6 is still the leading vote getter?
someone please confirm this
anyone know the exact vote counts for Bc3 or Bd6 as i write this?

Steve
Bd6 is the clear winner. There is only one possible vote for Bc3 and it seems unclear that the member has actually chosen that move as his preference.
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Re: Move 26...

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Graham Banks wrote:
Steve B wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote:
Steve B wrote:Actually i could not even see the Bc3 in your post
i think it was the color you used but it appeared as a blank space to me

perhaps it appeared that way to others as well??
Steve
Sorry Mr. B I got experimental with this colored moves. My suggestions are either Bc3 or Bd6, favoring the last.
i think Bd6 is still the leading vote getter?
someone please confirm this
anyone know the exact vote counts for Bc3 or Bd6 as i write this?

Steve
Bd6 is the clear winner. There is only one possible vote for Bc3 and it seems unclear that the member has actually chosen that move as his preference.

OK
Thanks
Steve
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Re: Move 26...

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What if white plays Be3 threatening Bd4 and Ra2-a7? What is the plan?

I suggest whoever voted for Rf7 does 10 pushups now, and whoever voted for 3...c5 does 20.
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Re: Move 26...

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playjunior wrote:What if white plays Be3 threatening Bd4 and Ra2-a7? What is the plan?

I suggest whoever voted for Rf7 does 10 pushups now, and whoever voted for 3...c5 does 20.
I vote for Bc3 because I do not like white playing Bd4. The threat of Ra2-Ra7 is not a problem, we play Rb7. However, Bd4 threats Bxg6, making impossible for us to play Bb4.

if 1... Bc3 2. Be3 we can consider 2... d5

if Bd6 Be3, we may need to play Be5 again.

Miguel