CCC Forum vs BigLion chess960

[Steve B]

What is your plan against 38.f4, Qh4?

f4 Qh4
allows Qa1 right away threatening fxe5 and then checking the K on F1 with the Q
also with the BQ away from the Queenside we will win material there unless it moves back

Steve

After 38.f4, Qh4; 39.Qa1, ef?

loses rather quickly to
40.Raxb8...we will have a devastating check on h8 with our Q after BL Recaptures with 40.. Rxb8
if 40..Nxb8 it mate in one

Ala Tal Regards
Steve

[Graham Banks]

What is your plan against 38.f4, Qh4?

f4 Qh4
allows Qa1 right away threatening fxe5 and then checking the K on F1 with the Q
also with the BQ away from the Queenside we will win material there unless it moves back

Steve

After 38.f4, Qh4; 39.Qa1, ef?

loses rather quickly to
40.Raxb8...we will have a devastating check on h8 with our Q after BL Recaptures with 40.. Rxb8
if 40..Nxb8 it mate in one

Ala Tal Regards
Steve

38.f4, Qh4; 39.Qa1, ef; 40. Raxb8, Rxb8; 41.Qh8+, Kf7; looks okay for Black to me, with a threatened perpetual on e1 and g3.

[Steve B]

38.f4, Qh4; 39.Qa1, ef; 40. Raxb8, Rxb8; 41.Qh8+, Kf7; looks okay for Black to me, with a threatened perpetual on e1 and g3.

nope no perpetual


after 41.Qh8+ Kf7
42.Qxb8 and if 42..Qe1+ we have Nf1
Game Over

anyway im glad i posted f4 early so we could go over the various lines

Still looking good to me Regards
Steve

[Graham Banks]

38.f4, Qh4; 39.Qa1, ef; 40. Raxb8, Rxb8; 41.Qh8+, Kf7; looks okay for Black to me, with a threatened perpetual on e1 and g3.

nope no perpetual


after 41.Qh8+ Kf7
42.Qxb8 and if 42..Qe1+ we have Nf1
Game Over

anyway im glad i posted f4 early so we could go over the various lines

Still looking good to me Regards
Steve

Chess blindness at 1.30am - missed the Nf1.
I'll look again in the morning. If nobody else can refute your lines, I could well side with you and change my vote.

[gerold]

Nh2.

Best.

Gerold.

[tano-urayoan]

i am posting this move suggestion now in case anyone would like to discuss it

IF BL plays g6 here(which i think is virtually forced)of course we can play the fairly obvious Nc7 and we wind up with a Q for our B+R and a won game but it will take some time to actually end the game
i also looked at Qa1 threatening f4 but that is not as good as Nc7 as BL has the annoying Qc8
then i fooled around with f4 immediately and i think it wins quicker and more violently

BL will have to play exf4 and then we have this virtually forced line
Ng4 h5
Raxb8 Qxb8(nxb8 and i believe we have a forced mate)
Qa1! hxg4
Qh8+ Kf7
Qh7+ Kf8
e5 e3(Threating mate if we move the d5 night)
Kf1 Rc6
Nxf4 and i imagine BL might resign

there could be holes in my analysis but this seems like f4 will be my vote unless someone can poke holes in my thinking here

Thoughts anyone?
Steve

After e5 couldnt black take the rook in b7?

[tano-urayoan]

Steve B convinced me

f4

[Steve B]

i am posting this move suggestion now in case anyone would like to discuss it

IF BL plays g6 here(which i think is virtually forced)of course we can play the fairly obvious Nc7 and we wind up with a Q for our B+R and a won game but it will take some time to actually end the game
i also looked at Qa1 threatening f4 but that is not as good as Nc7 as BL has the annoying Qc8
then i fooled around with f4 immediately and i think it wins quicker and more violently

BL will have to play exf4 and then we have this virtually forced line
Ng4 h5
Raxb8 Qxb8(nxb8 and i believe we have a forced mate)
Qa1! hxg4
Qh8+ Kf7
Qh7+ Kf8
e5 e3(Threating mate if we move the d5 night)
Kf1 Rc6
Nxf4 and i imagine BL might resign

there could be holes in my analysis but this seems like f4 will be my vote unless someone can poke holes in my thinking here

Thoughts anyone?
Steve

After e5 couldnt black take the rook in b7?

woops!
good catch Tano
i left out a move when i typed it in..

f4 exf4

Ng4 h5
Raxb8 Qxb8(nxb8 and i believe we have a forced mate)
Rxb8 Nxd8
Qa1! hxg4
Qh8+ Kf7
Qh7+ Kf8
e5 e3(Threating mate if we move the d5 night)
Kf1 Rc6
Nxf4

[tano-urayoan]

i am posting this move suggestion now in case anyone would like to discuss it

IF BL plays g6 here(which i think is virtually forced)of course we can play the fairly obvious Nc7 and we wind up with a Q for our B+R and a won game but it will take some time to actually end the game
i also looked at Qa1 threatening f4 but that is not as good as Nc7 as BL has the annoying Qc8
then i fooled around with f4 immediately and i think it wins quicker and more violently

BL will have to play exf4 and then we have this virtually forced line
Ng4 h5
Raxb8 Qxb8(nxb8 and i believe we have a forced mate)
Qa1! hxg4
Qh8+ Kf7
Qh7+ Kf8
e5 e3(Threating mate if we move the d5 night)
Kf1 Rc6
Nxf4 and i imagine BL might resign

there could be holes in my analysis but this seems like f4 will be my vote unless someone can poke holes in my thinking here

Thoughts anyone?
Steve

After e5 couldnt black take the rook in b7?

woops!
good catch Tano
i left out a move when i typed it in..
Ng4 h5
Raxb8 Qxb8(nxb8 and i believe we have a forced mate)
Rxb8 Nxd8
Qa1! hxg4
Qh8+ Kf7
Qh7+ Kf8
e5 e3(Threating mate if we move the d5 night)
Kf1 Rc6
Nxf4

I think your move works without taking the queen first also even Qa1 before Raxb8 because maybe it is only a transposition.

Also instead of e5 maybe the simple Rxb8 and Nxb8 and now e5. What you think?

[Steve B]

I think your move works without taking the queen first also even Qa1 before Raxb8 because maybe it is only a transposition.

Also instead of e5 maybe the simple Rxb8 and Nxb8 and now e5. What you think?

YES!
amazingly the move order is a transposition i think

we can actually delay the Q capture until after Qh7+ Kf8
then Rxb8 Nxb8 and then e5

you have seen even deeper then me i see and i have been playing with this almost all night long


Steve