Vasik Rajlich Speaks!

[Albert Silver]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

[mjlef]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

Frederic asked to join the panel. There was not requirement members of the panel vote, but we certainly wished they did.

Are you telling me you joined something that required you to sign up, but then ignore all the messages sent to you seeking your opinions? You never looked at any of the evidence or wiki pages? You told me at one time that Friedel told you to sign up. And I do not doubt that at all. But did you never then look at any of the information or even the main page? I will not claim you never looked, since I do not know. But I do wonder why you would join in the first place if you were not going to participate.

[h1a8]

In other news, I'm working on Rybka. Rybka 5 will be ready sometime this year

computerchess community should boycott this product.

there are products that deserve the money they cost, such as hiarcs, shredder, junior.

Well if you depend on high quality analysis or play serious competitive chess then it would be a mistake to boycott Rybka 5. Do you agree?

i do disagree with your point of view. IMO one should support programmers who do not lie to their customers.
therefore i will buy shredder (if it is ever released, hiarcs or junior instead of rybka).
i bought rybka, but vas rajlich betrayed me.
i also bought fruit, with buying rybka i bought a clone of a program i had
bought earlier with buying fruit.

So you are saying that you won't use Rybka 5 if you play serious chess (or are a professional which you make a living off of chess) and it has been found to be the strongest thing out with high quality analysis that all of you competitors are using?

And even if you are constantly losing games because your competitors are using Rybka and you not?

Be honest and answer directly (yes or no).

[Albert Silver]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

Frederic asked to join the panel. There was not requirement members of the panel vote, but we certainly wished they did.

Are you telling me you joined something that required you to sign up, but then ignore all the messages sent to you seeking your opinions? You never looked at any of the evidence or wiki pages? You told me at one time that Friedel told you to sign up. And I do not doubt that at all. But did you never then look at any of the information or even the main page? I will not claim you never looked, since I do not know. But I do wonder why you would join in the first place if you were not going to participate.

I think you should review what I told you since none of the above is correct. I will refresh your memory:

I was pointed to a post but found that I could not see it as one needed to be a member of the Wiki (note the word WIKI) to do so. I was told Harvey was the moderator in charge of okaying this so I asked him and he did. I saw the post, found it of little interest, and never went back. As far as I was concerned it was some private forum to discuss the proceedings. Read the instructions and the small print? No, it never even crossed my mind.

Some months later, I was told Ken Thompson had joined. I checked in again, and sure enough his name was there. I mentioned it to Friedel, and told him that he needed to join the forum to read it. I explained that Harv was in charge and to just ask him to okay it.

Go ahead and ask him if he knew he was part of some panel investigating and voting on the Rybka affair. When our names were published in the ICGA report, he was shocked and couldn't even begin to understand how his name got on it.

[geots]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

Frederic asked to join the panel. There was not requirement members of the panel vote, but we certainly wished they did.

Are you telling me you joined something that required you to sign up, but then ignore all the messages sent to you seeking your opinions? You never looked at any of the evidence or wiki pages? You told me at one time that Friedel told you to sign up. And I do not doubt that at all. But did you never then look at any of the information or even the main page? I will not claim you never looked, since I do not know. But I do wonder why you would join in the first place if you were not going to participate.

It would be clear, with Albert's above and below thread, to a mentally retarded 6 year old that either you were terribly mistaken and did not take time to check the facts, you were just throwing crap up against a wall to see what would stick, or you are just a liar hoping nobody catches you. Or all of the above. It is much easier now to see how you check your facts when you investigate a matter. And that would include any and all matters. Or do you check them and fit them to what you want people to hear? You and Hyatt make a good pair for Levy to pal up with. And you wanted Vas to participate and lower himself to the level you 3 are on. You really must have thought he was an idiot. I have just about had enough of the whole bunch of you. Did anyone involved have a moral compass? If he did, he damn sure hasn't surfaced yet.

If you want to respond- talk to another pair of eyes/ears. I have seen more than enough out of you.

[natasha]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

Frederic asked to join the panel. There was not requirement members of the panel vote, but we certainly wished they did.

Are you telling me you joined something that required you to sign up, but then ignore all the messages sent to you seeking your opinions? You never looked at any of the evidence or wiki pages? You told me at one time that Friedel told you to sign up. And I do not doubt that at all. But did you never then look at any of the information or even the main page? I will not claim you never looked, since I do not know. But I do wonder why you would join in the first place if you were not going to participate.

It would be clear, with Albert's above and below thread, to a mentally retarded 6 year old that either you were terribly mistaken and did not take time to check the facts, you were just throwing crap up against a wall to see what would stick, or you are just a liar hoping nobody catches you. Or all of the above. It is much easier now to see how you check your facts when you investigate a matter. And that would include any and all matters. Or do you check them and fit them to what you want people to hear? You and Hyatt make a good pair for Levy to pal up with. And you wanted Vas to participate and lower himself to the level you 3 are on. You really must have thought he was an idiot. I have just about had enough of the whole bunch of you. Did anyone involved have a moral compass? If he did, he damn sure hasn't surfaced yet.

If you want to respond- talk to another pair of eyes/ears. I have seen more than enough out of you.

"george in a"

naughty not nice

you can get medication for these hormonal mood swings dear

or ask your doctor to adjust your present prescription

[mclane]

So you are saying that you won't use Rybka 5 if you play serious chess (or are a professional which you make a living off of chess) and it has been found to be the strongest thing out with high quality analysis that all of you competitors are using?

And even if you are constantly losing games because your competitors are using Rybka and you not?

Be honest and answer directly (yes or no).

i will not buy rybka5. i will not buy ANY product from vas rajlich anymore.
i was once betrayed and do not trust anymore. i do also not believe that rybka5 will come out. if a company sells rybka5, this company will soon or later be a target of a sales-boycott and ugly details about the "new product" will be published.
i doubt any serious company will stand this.
if chessbase (or any other company) really believes they could come out with a product rybka5, they will end in a desaster and courts will shut down that business soon. it will be a waterloo from a marketing point of view.

[geots]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

Frederic asked to join the panel. There was not requirement members of the panel vote, but we certainly wished they did.

Are you telling me you joined something that required you to sign up, but then ignore all the messages sent to you seeking your opinions? You never looked at any of the evidence or wiki pages? You told me at one time that Friedel told you to sign up. And I do not doubt that at all. But did you never then look at any of the information or even the main page? I will not claim you never looked, since I do not know. But I do wonder why you would join in the first place if you were not going to participate.

It would be clear, with Albert's above and below thread, to a mentally retarded 6 year old that either you were terribly mistaken and did not take time to check the facts, you were just throwing crap up against a wall to see what would stick, or you are just a liar hoping nobody catches you. Or all of the above. It is much easier now to see how you check your facts when you investigate a matter. And that would include any and all matters. Or do you check them and fit them to what you want people to hear? You and Hyatt make a good pair for Levy to pal up with. And you wanted Vas to participate and lower himself to the level you 3 are on. You really must have thought he was an idiot. I have just about had enough of the whole bunch of you. Did anyone involved have a moral compass? If he did, he damn sure hasn't surfaced yet.

If you want to respond- talk to another pair of eyes/ears. I have seen more than enough out of you.

"george in a"

naughty not nice

you can get medication for these hormonal mood swings dear

or ask your doctor to adjust your present prescription

Thanks for your concern. I am humbled. Actually he upped my morphine dosage foe my back problems, and at 76 years old, I had a bad reaction from mixing the morphine and viagra.

[natasha]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

Frederic asked to join the panel. There was not requirement members of the panel vote, but we certainly wished they did.

Are you telling me you joined something that required you to sign up, but then ignore all the messages sent to you seeking your opinions? You never looked at any of the evidence or wiki pages? You told me at one time that Friedel told you to sign up. And I do not doubt that at all. But did you never then look at any of the information or even the main page? I will not claim you never looked, since I do not know. But I do wonder why you would join in the first place if you were not going to participate.

It would be clear, with Albert's above and below thread, to a mentally retarded 6 year old that either you were terribly mistaken and did not take time to check the facts, you were just throwing crap up against a wall to see what would stick, or you are just a liar hoping nobody catches you. Or all of the above. It is much easier now to see how you check your facts when you investigate a matter. And that would include any and all matters. Or do you check them and fit them to what you want people to hear? You and Hyatt make a good pair for Levy to pal up with. And you wanted Vas to participate and lower himself to the level you 3 are on. You really must have thought he was an idiot. I have just about had enough of the whole bunch of you. Did anyone involved have a moral compass? If he did, he damn sure hasn't surfaced yet.

If you want to respond- talk to another pair of eyes/ears. I have seen more than enough out of you.

"george in a"

naughty not nice

you can get medication for these hormonal mood swings dear

or ask your doctor to adjust your present prescription

Thanks for your concern. I am humbled. Actually he upped my morphine dosage foe my back problems, and at 76 years old, I had a bad reaction from mixing the morphine and viagra.

well NO hard feelings but you did say you would ignore us

we are sooooo disapointed you are not a man

of your word dear

we understand you may feel limp , deflated at times but really those 2 drugs counteract each other

basic pharmacology that
as jefferson airplane sang

one pill males you larger one pill makes you small

[geots]

Do you need to be a programmer to know that if you type it all in yourself it can/can not be copying?

If it's a direct copy, then of course not.

I think any honest independent, non chess, programmer reading the information will come to only 1 conclusion. There were several on the panel. Have any studied the case and said Vas is innocent?

From memory, only 14 on the panel voted. Many others on the panel were unaware that it was anything more than a discussion group. This has all been covered before.
I have no programming skills whatsoever, so I don't understand many of the technical aspects discussed. That's why I haven't offered an opinion since the ruling.
However, long before the investigation, both Ryan Benitez and Christopher Conkie had told me that Rybka was okay, which is why I'd always defended it before that.

Anyone on the panel was greeted with this web page (now open to the world):

http://icga.wikispaces.com/

Please take a look.

It is quite clear from the very first page what the web site was for and what the panel was for. The only way for any panel member to not know what the purpose of the panel was for would be if they totally ignored what the pages said. And what was discussed. And many messages sent to them asking for opinions. I find this just about impossible.

We've had this discussion, so I don't see how you still find this impossible. Furthermore you can ask Friedel, and I am pretty sure he will never claim he knew he was joining some investigatory panel.

Frederic asked to join the panel. There was not requirement members of the panel vote, but we certainly wished they did.

Are you telling me you joined something that required you to sign up, but then ignore all the messages sent to you seeking your opinions? You never looked at any of the evidence or wiki pages? You told me at one time that Friedel told you to sign up. And I do not doubt that at all. But did you never then look at any of the information or even the main page? I will not claim you never looked, since I do not know. But I do wonder why you would join in the first place if you were not going to participate.

It would be clear, with Albert's above and below thread, to a mentally retarded 6 year old that either you were terribly mistaken and did not take time to check the facts, you were just throwing crap up against a wall to see what would stick, or you are just a liar hoping nobody catches you. Or all of the above. It is much easier now to see how you check your facts when you investigate a matter. And that would include any and all matters. Or do you check them and fit them to what you want people to hear? You and Hyatt make a good pair for Levy to pal up with. And you wanted Vas to participate and lower himself to the level you 3 are on. You really must have thought he was an idiot. I have just about had enough of the whole bunch of you. Did anyone involved have a moral compass? If he did, he damn sure hasn't surfaced yet.

If you want to respond- talk to another pair of eyes/ears. I have seen more than enough out of you.

"george in a"

naughty not nice

you can get medication for these hormonal mood swings dear

or ask your doctor to adjust your present prescription

Thanks for your concern. I am humbled. Actually he upped my morphine dosage foe my back problems, and at 76 years old, I had a bad reaction from mixing the morphine and viagra.

well NO hard feelings but you did say you would ignore us

we are sooooo disapointed you are not a man

of your word dear

we understand you may feel limp , deflated at times but really those 2 drugs counteract each other

basic pharmacology that
as jefferson airplane sang

one pill males you larger one pill makes you small

Possibly you are like the morphine, maybe- addictive. But I can only handle you in small doses. A little goes a long way.