Hans Niemann

[towforce]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

[syzygy]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

[towforce]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Agreed.

[CornfedForever]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Agreed.

Careful, lets not fall into a pit of confirmation bias.
So a gap of about 250 rating points....A quick check (non-Blitz)and I see some similar things for Magnus Carlsen over 2700, sometimes over 2800...and he rarely lowers himself to rub shoulders with the 'common folk':

As White
Lower rated by - Player - When - TC
250 - praggnanandhaa - 2022 - Rapid
260 - Spoelman - 2018 - Rapid
284 - Pelletier - 2015 - Regular

As Black
310 - Tuchaev - 2018 - Rapid
238 - Zubov - 2018 - Rapid
240 - Iturrizaga - 2018 - Regular

I am sure there are more, but yes, it does happen - probably more for someone like Hans who has to wrestle around in the mud to win points in open tourneys.

[swami]

Niemann started out as 6th Seed in Sharjah Masters, and ended up finishing 6th Ranking today, with elo performance of 2751

Other top seeded players, and their ranking:

Maghsoodloo, Parham
Seeded 1, Rank 27

Gukesh, D
Seeded 2, Rank 3

Vidit, Santosh Gujrathi
Seeded 3, Rank 47

Yu, Yangyi
Seeded 4, Rank 4

Sjugirov, Sanan
Seeded 5, Rank 14

Robson, Ray
Seeded 7, Rank 48

https://chess-results.com/tnr724974.asp ... =9&flag=30

[swami]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Elo rating is sometimes meaningless. Many other 2700 rated players cannot face young and upcoming players, whose real strength maybe already higher than 2700. When Gukesh/Arjun Erigaisi/Pragg were rated 2500, their real strength was already 2700+.

[towforce]

Niemann's case has been dismissed for having no merit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rlsen.html

[CornfedForever]

Niemann's case has been dismissed for having no merit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rlsen.html

Twas for publicity...Niemann and the Lawyer I think. It was too broad....I think a good lawyer would have narrowed the focus of the charges....think the current Trump charges.

[syzygy]

Niemann's case has been dismissed for having no merit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rlsen.html

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .149.0.pdf

Apparently the federal district court dismissed Niemann's federal antitrust claims. As a result, the district court had no supplemental jurisdiction over Niemann's state-law claims, and dismissed those too.

For the reasons set forth below, the Court will grant Defendants’ motions to dismiss for failure to state a claim as to Niemann’s federal antitrust claims only and will decline supplemental jurisdiction over Niemann’s remaining state-law claims, without reaching Defendants’ alternative arguments.

I suppose Niemann can refile his defamation claims in a state court. (I don't know which state would have jurisidiction, but probably Missouri?)

[Uri Blass]

Niemann lost with the White pieces against a 2442-elo IM. I don't know but would like to know how common it is for a (non-cheating) 2700+ GM to lose with White against a sub-2450 IM.

The answer is 7% - link.

4.3% if you let the 2700 player play with white.

Elo rating is sometimes meaningless. Many other 2700 rated players cannot face young and upcoming players, whose real strength maybe already higher than 2700. When Gukesh/Arjun Erigaisi/Pragg were rated 2500, their real strength was already 2700+.

In that case I could expect them to progress faster and not to have periods with a significant regression when they played more than 30 games.

https://ratings.fide.com/profile/46616543/chart

Gukesh had 2536 in April 2019 and after many games had only 2520 in October 2019
Gukesh later had 2640 in October 2021 and went down to 2614 in december 2021

Arjun Erigaisi also showed similiar behaviour from 2575 to 2559 with 36 games.