Questions for the FG about the organization of the election

[RubiChess]

making insults is violating the charter, and not only that;
it's part of a well established netiquette and generally known moderation
rules on the internet that personal attacks and insults are not tolerated.
difficult to understand huh (for a young engine programmer).

So mr Andreas are you also a nazi or so ? you do look so imo
Moderation - removed a grave insult.

Old men never learn their lesson.

Moderation: we treat ageism here same as we treat racism or any other discrimination-ism based on characteristics that the target cannot change. Poster is banned for 7 days

Electable people to run for moderator, 128 members.

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jefk, Jef Kaan, 794
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Sirs, let the games begin. I don't have any questions anymore anytime.

Poster banned himself for being sarcastic which most probably violates the charter.

[hgm]

If the point is that founding a dorum does not automatically make you a good moderator, then arguing about it is like battering down the proverbial open door. And just a waste of time distracting from the measures that would have to be taken to improve the situation.

[jefk]

just for some info to others although it's off topic in this thread (sorry mods)

although Andreas now apparently is banned (again) i indeed reacted when he
suggested months ago in a nasty way it was 'my age' why i was claiming chess
is draw with perfect play. This while some others also already had made insults (*)
so then i had enough.
Thus i asked him a simple question; this was a) *not* an insult, and b) only
a reaction to an earlier grave insult. Later another poster, who previously also
had insulted me, misquoted me, and complained here wondering why i had
not been banned (suggesting i had called someone a 'nazi'; which i never did of
course; meanwhile i had notified a moderator i was willing to retract
that comment/question anyway, and apparently then it was marked as
deleted (so quoting it now again imo was a miserable act); so it was not an
insult imo (except maybe referring to his 'looks' but this was only one subjective
impression of a picture on chessprogramming not on github as i noticed later).
Anyway i also had asked mr rubichess to apologize but he never did; no further
comments). As for 'dementia', which a certain mr Grant aka mr Torch
apparently is suggesting for some of us oldies here, my puzzle score
on chess.com (not having used comps) is around 2400 (planning to go to
3000 next year) whereas his score is around 2100 (where i can add he's a decent
bullet player, faster than me, for sure, also in writing postings here as i noticed in
the kindergarten (but bullet chess in not real chess, of course); again no further
comments. Being now on this forum for some thirty years or so i remember all
discussions in which i was involved, not really a sign of memory loss i would say
(but hey, then playing chess also is preventing such dementia ? (lol))
Anyway, as stated in the charter it's up to the moderators to take decisions
about banning (temporarily or longer); so complaining won't help, but some
here apparently have grave difficulties in learning their lesson(s).
As for mentioned mr Grant, your signature here imo also is in violation of (new)
'rules' here, suggesting that there exist some arbitrary censoring here
(something which i never noticed).

Meanwhile, still curious if there are some new -qualified- volunteers (from
the list) for moderator, and how long Ed or Chris are willing to stay (i
presume we also can vote for them); keeping in mind my suggestion for
a while we can have two moderators (and i suggest one from the old school,
as recommendation for the members to vote for one of them.

(*) who later all became quiet again when i clarified my reasoning with Connect 4
as example where i showed that in this situation i quickly found it's mostly
a win for the first mover; something which already was known of course,
but -and that was my point- can also be found *without* number crunching
like done for checkers (the latter claim apparently invoked some aggression
from some computer people, engine programmers, not mathematicians_.

[mclane]

Maybe the moderators can clean the thread and put some childish posts into the kindergarten.

IMO Talkchess was made a moderated forum because of trolls.

[AndrewGrant]

Insult? The question is whether or not it violates any rules, which it did not.

Part of being a moderator is this little thing called "nuance". Without it, we would simply scrap all moderators and use our chat bot friends. A good moderator does not view all as black and white, and can apply nuance. An authoritarian crackpot sees nuance, and disregards it as needed in order to exact their own political motives.

Well, point taken, you don't consider posting insults against the rules. But unfortunately for you it is. Which makes you utterly unsuitable for being a moderator on this forum.

Make up your mind lad. Is it against the rules because it is an insult, or is it against the rules because it "encouraged rule breaking" despite being obvious sarcasm? Hint: Its neither.

[AndrewGrant]

making insults is violating the charter, and not only that;
it's part of a well established netiquette and generally known moderation
rules on the internet that personal attacks and insults are not tolerated.
difficult to understand huh (for a young engine programmer).

So mr Andreas are you also a nazi or so ? you do look so imo
Moderation - removed a grave insult.

Old men never learn their lesson.

Moderation: we treat ageism here same as we treat racism or any other discrimination-ism based on characteristics that the target cannot change. Poster is banned for 7 days

Electable people to run for moderator, 128 members.

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jefk, Jef Kaan, 794
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Sirs, let the games begin. I don't have any questions anymore anytime.

Poster banned himself for being sarcastic which most probably violates the charter.

Two-tiered "justice" system of course.

[hgm]

Insult? The question is whether or not it violates any rules, which it did not.

Part of being a moderator is this little thing called "nuance". Without it, we would simply scrap all moderators and use our chat bot friends. A good moderator does not view all as black and white, and can apply nuance. An authoritarian crackpot sees nuance, and disregards it as needed in order to exact their own political motives.

Well, point taken, you don't consider posting insults against the rules. But unfortunately for you it is. Which makes you utterly unsuitable for being a moderator on this forum.

Hh
Make up your mind lad. Is it against the rules because it is an insult, or is it against the rules because it "encouraged rule breaking" despite being obvious sarcasm? Hint: Its neither.

In fact it was both. Insulting to moderation, as well as encouraging rule breaking. Plus the fact that you interfere in a moderation issue that is none of your business in the first place.

And your incessant arguing about it is another breach of the charter, which stipulates you should accept moderator decisions.

If you are constantly seeking the limits of acceptible behavior, you should expect to get axed now and then.

[Rebel]

@Andy, ever since the restart of Talkchess I only saw an endless stream of negativity from your end, what happened?!

I want the old Andy back, a valuable member, the one who posted quality stuff.

I found a nice website which I posted in the sticky Computer Chess Programming from the Ground up thread from programmer Marcel Vanthoor and his Rustic chess engine. IMO a good starting point for writing a chess program from scratch.

I remember you once contributed a quality post about SPSA testing, however I can't find it any longer, do you still have it?

[Peter Berger]

My question is: can we get a list of the people who decided to step up and want to run for moderator so far while registration is still open?
My reasoning:
1. I assume most posters have a busy life. The post of moderator is not over-attractive.
2. People who are eager to run may not be the most qualified ones. I assume good moderators would be people who'd be aware of the challenge and accept it more or less reluctantly, for the good of the community.
3. If you see a list of candidates you are OK with in parts this can strengthen people's belief that there will be a good solution and in the process.
4. If you are not so happy with the list of candidates, this may help your decision to run yourself, given you feel you may be fit for the job.
Thanks for your consideration.
Peter

[jefk]

maclane wrote
"maybe the moderators can clean the thread and put some childish posts into the kindergarten."

yep part of the discussion here had been transferred to the kindergarten,
but then (after endless nittygritty rants from grant) was locked there

so i simply reacted to some provocation by rubichess apparently to demonstrate some
inconsistency - or bias- by moderators (not so, as i tied to explain); although not
clear yet for mr Grant apparently who spoke again about a 'two tierd justice system' (not)

Anyway for most of ust not important anymore, as Peter Berger wrote, let's (try to) move
forward i suggest otherwise, another KG thread again, maybe.