Minic version 3

[xr_a_y]

Sorry to write so. But you have to work on it. But any GUI should tell you that it has loaded noisy_notch.bin.

Well Minic is outputing info at screen to tell if net is loaded or not, no worries. But thing is, cutechess only prints debug output after the initialization phase so that you have no access to that.

About engine/gui relation, I don't think any other engine do something that tells UCI protocol that net is properly loaded, but I might be wrong.

[Dokterchen]

I have noticed that Minic has a problem with spaces in the path. C:\MinicNet\noisy_notch.bin works, but C:\Minic Net\noisy_notch.bin does not work.

[xr_a_y]

Thank you for your answer xr_a_y. I'm sorry but you are wrong, please look

Is this a cutechess screen shot? About what I am wrong? If this is cutechess debug output, I'm glad I'm wrong

If nnue net fail to load here, Minic would tell it and say it uses standard evaluation.

[xr_a_y]

Is this a cutechess screen shot? About what I am wrong? If this is cutechess debug output, I'm glad I'm wrong

If nnue net fail to load here, Minic would tell it and say it uses standard evaluation.

No, it isn't cutechess. It's a program Shredder Classic 5.As you can see, the program has loaded - noisy_notch.bin. See the information that is underlined in black in the image.

So good news I guess. No problem anymore?

[xr_a_y]

Ok, so what is the problem exactly ?

Under cutechess, you're not sure the net is loaded ? is that the issue ? If so, it is more on the cutechess side to allow the user to see debug information sooner.

If you think the net fail to load under cutechess (for example because you observe nps are too high), then i'd recommand to use full path and not rely on "working directory".

On the Minic log side. If you are using standard eval, you will see :

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info string This is Minic version 3.05 (NNUE available)
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:31:22-869: No NNUE net loaded, using standard evaluation

If net is correctly loaded :

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info string This is Minic version 3.05 (NNUE available)
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:31:03-930: Loading NNUE net ../NNUE-Nets/nibbled_nutshell.bin

If incompatible net is used :

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info string This is Minic version 3.05 (NNUE available)
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:29:34-894: Loading NNUE net ../NNUE-Nets/noisy_notch.bin
info string Error 2021-03-07 14:29:34-894: File ../NNUE-Nets/noisy_notch.bin does not look like a compatible net
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:29:34-894: Fail to load NNUE net, using standard evaluation

If path seems wrong :

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info string This is Minic version 3.05 (NNUE available)
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:31:40-102: Loading NNUE net ../NNUE-Nets/nibbled_nutshell___
info string Error 2021-03-07 14:31:40-102: File ../NNUE-Nets/nibbled_nutshell___ is not accessible
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:31:40-102: Fail to load NNUE net, using standard evaluation

But you need access to the log to verify that of course.

[xr_a_y]

I will wait for version 3.05 - the program does not show any logos.

The log (as "logging", not logos, maybe a typo ?) I showed are exactly the same in version 3.04, like

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info string This is Minic version 3.04 (NNUE available)
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:50:57-739: Loading NNUE net ../NNUE-Nets/nibbled_nutshell___
info string Error 2021-03-07 14:50:57-739: File ../NNUE-Nets/nibbled_nutshell___ is not accessible
info string Info  2021-03-07 14:50:57-739: Fail to load NNUE net, using standard evaluation

[xr_a_y]

I will wait for version 3.05 - the program does not show any logos. And to show some logos I would have to select the options in the box below. And there is no such option.

Log as "logging", not logos. You need access to the "engine output" (==log) to check if net is well loaded.
Cutechess does not allow that I think at the moment when the net is loaded. The "engine debug" window of cutechess starts to receive the log after the engine is "configured" at the start of a game.

[xr_a_y]

You have to write the engine to show like other programs . There is no other possibility.

This is not on Minic side !
No engine can write something to cutechess debug window if this one is not capturing the output flux yet.
Have a look at this bug report for instance : https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/issues/496 and that https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/issues/142

[xr_a_y]

I have such a request for you. Please visit the website https://rwbc-chess.de/download.htm and download the program Cutechess (cli and GUI + my changes.txt) 1.20 and please see for yourself. Thank you in advance and see how it works with you. Use GUI.

Already my version of cutechess ...

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Cute Chess 1.2.0
Using Qt version 5.14.2

And I'm sure the "engine debug" window (available in the "view" menu) is what we need to check engine logs but for now there is a little bug in cutechess that does not allow to check engine initialization. This is why for Minic and maybe many other engines you won't see "net loading phase" output to the debug window.

So you will have no way to check the net is indeed well loaded appart from having a look at nps during a game : nps when using a net will be way smaller than if using standard evaluation.

Regards

[xr_a_y]

I understand and thank you for your xr_a_y. Version it Cute Chess 1.2.0 Using Qt version 5.15.0 not Cute Chess 1.2.0 Using Qt version 5.14.2.

This is just different build (using different Qt framework) of the same cutechess version (namely 1.2.0). Qt version 5.14 or 5.15 does not affect this bug I think.