Fritz 18: Evolving Genius

[Jonathan003]

Was anyone successful in forcing Fritz 18 to play lines from a CTG book in Easy Game mode? I mean from starting from the beginning of a game in Easy Game mode.

[ThomasMiller]

What's the GUI min search time when analyzing a set of positions with an engine? Still 1 sec?

Well, if you are talking an engine vs engine game it is .1 sec.
But "Processing Test Set" a 'min' is not offered. Rather a 'Max' is and that seems to be 1 sec - for the maximum length of time the program should work on each position.

Processing Test Set. I seem to remember in Deep Fritz 14 you couldn't go lower than 1 sec.

[Uri]

Fritz 18 is a disappointment to me.

I mean they worked on it 2 years but they only managed to increase its playing strength in 35 ELO points and that's not alot playing strength. I expected more than 35 elo points improvement after waiting such a long time for a new version.

Or perhaps I should have been born 1 million from now when technology is much more advanced than today and there is already Fritz 100,000 maybe.

I think that my life would have been much better if I was born 1,000,000 years from now when the world is more developed than it is now.

I wouldn't have to become homeless and live in extreme poverty and be extremely suicidal if only I was born 1,000,000 from now.

[Cornfed]

Fritz 18 is a disappointment to me.

I mean they worked on it 2 years but they only managed to increase its playing strength in 35 ELO points and that's not alot playing strength. I expected more than 35 elo points improvement after waiting such a long time for a new version.

Or perhaps I should have been born 1 million from now when technology is much more advanced than today and there is already Fritz 100,000 maybe.

I think that my life would have been much better if I was born 1,000,000 years from now when the world is more developed than it is now.

I wouldn't have to become homeless and live in extreme poverty and be extremely suicidal if only I was born 1,000,000 from now.

Sorry to hear you are disappointed. Do you own it? I ask because you only refer to numbers...numbers which indicate the regular engine could still beat any of us in our sleep.

Fritz 18 is - first and foremost - a GUI in which many an engine can run. The specific thread is about the new Evolving Genius portion of it.

[matejst]

Fritz 18 is - first and foremost - a GUI in which many an engine can run. The specific thread is about the new Evolving Genius portion of it.

I think that today the customers are more aware that usability, comfort, are the key for a chess package. When I buy a family car I don't look for a Lotus F1. I think that CB investigated the market and understood that we want a program we can beat, and that can help us improve. The Fritz engine is more than capable to fulfill most of the needs of 99% of the users, and one can switch to Fat Fritz if he needs top analysis -- because pros don't use their software for eng-eng matches (I guess they rather buy ChessBase or ChessAssistant or use SCID). Unfortunately, just a few engine authors have users in mind, and a few recent projects with the average player in mind have only just started.

[Sylwy]

Was anyone successful in forcing Fritz 18 to play lines from a CTG book in Easy Game mode? I mean from starting from the beginning of a game in Easy Game mode.

Easy Game-Set Level (strong, of course )-Stop engine-enter the moves you want from the book-Start engine.
Easy ?

[Cornfed]

Fritz 18 is - first and foremost - a GUI in which many an engine can run. The specific thread is about the new Evolving Genius portion of it.

I think that today the customers are more aware that usability, comfort, are the key for a chess package. When I buy a family car I don't look for a Lotus F1. I think that CB investigated the market and understood that we want a program we can beat, and that can help us improve. The Fritz engine is more than capable to fulfill most of the needs of 99% of the users, and one can switch to Fat Fritz if he needs top analysis -- because pros don't use their software for eng-eng matches (I guess they rather buy ChessBase or ChessAssistant or use SCID). Unfortunately, just a few engine authors have users in mind, and a few recent projects with the average player in mind have only just started.

Bingo!

Yes, most engine authors...are just about stumbling in the dark (mostly) trying to increase their 'elo'....and most probably could not write a decent GUI if they had to. It's hard and another skill all together.

That said, Komodo / Dragon authors at least have strived to include various options within their program - the reason I took a yearly subscription at one point. Even there...there are limits and you really have to have a GUI to run any engine in anyway....so the GUI is key.

Online sites have clearly been leading the way in innovation aiming at the average player - competition/capitalism does that: adjust/improve or die.
Even Chess.com over the past couple of weeks has upgraded their 'game analysis'. Lichess has something similar...there is Aimchess, Decode Chess and such which takes the engines and actually DOES SOMETHING USEFUL for the bulk of chess players.

This is the future of 'computer chess'...not the pursuit of more elo.

[Jonathan003]

Was anyone successful in forcing Fritz 18 to play lines from a CTG book in Easy Game mode? I mean from starting from the beginning of a game in Easy Game mode.

Easy Game-Set Level (strong, of course )-Stop engine-enter the moves you want from the book-Start engine.
Easy ?

That's a way it could be done. What I would like is to make a small ctg book for example "Queens Gambit Accepted". And let Fritz 18 test me in al the lines of the book one after another. Without playing the same lines each time, or to have to select the lines manually. If I have to select the line manually I will lose track of what lines I already trained and what lines I still have to train. Maybe there is a way around somehow. What I did is creating the book "Queens Gambit Accepted' by adding priority analysis and importing pgn games where all moves are marked with a (!).
Then I renamed the book to Fritz 18.ctg
Now Fritz 18 follows the book in Easy Game mode. But it still go's sometimes out of book. And it also plays the same lines over and over again.
This is when choosing the level Strong Club player.
I'm experimenting with starting the Easy Game with other playing strength levels. Then when al the lines of the books are played, I switch to Strong Club player level.
I would like if Chessbase could make it easier to let the engine follow the book moves of a selected small book in Easy Game mode, and test me in all the lines of the book.

[purechess]

There is a Opening Training functionality which I haven't tried it yet in the Training menu. All I know is that to use it fully you
need a online account at Playchess.

[Jonathan003]

There is a Opening Training functionality which I haven't tried it yet in the Training menu. All I know is that to use it fully you
need a online account at Playchess.

I have my repertoires in pgn format and I find it very confusing and time consuming to completely upload them to 'my moves' from Chessbase. I can make different merged games of my repertoire and try to upload them this way to 'my moves', but I notice that not al variations get uploaded this way.
That's why I don't use this function.
I hope Chessbase can improve this function so it's more easily to completely upload an existing repertoire in pgn or cbh format.