Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

[lkaufman]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

[Father]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

[lkaufman]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

The update seems to have not worked properly. We're working on it now.

[lkaufman]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

The issue has been resolved. A single character, "a", had to be added to the name of the network file.

[Father]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

The issue has been resolved. A single character, "a", had to be added to the name of the network file.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. My report on LeelaQueenOdds for November 2, 2024. Today I had planned to play twenty matches; however, I only managed to play thirteen battles, and I lost in the final draw, five victories for the computer, three victories for me, and five draws. I started off in the lead, with one draw and one victory. But then the process was reversed... I had programmed my soul to recover in the last seven games, but time was fast and I was not able to complete the process. So let's leave today as a day of defeat for me. I learn a lot from defeats and I have already analyzed LeelaQeenOdds' way of being and thinking. I have observed the computer's personality from my heart. Tomorrow will be another day, and if the programmer of my soul and my spirit, the giver of life, allows me to continue, my will will be to rise up and beat the machine. I would like to participate, in fact, be one of the participants, in a "Man vs. Computer Chess Challenger Cup," competing with a group of grandmasters in the style of the 1995 Harvard Cup. In this imaginary tournament, there would be computers in their standard mode and also Odds. But men would not face each other, only humans against machines. I would not seek any prize money, and if I were to obtain it by becoming a creditor for that prize, then my will is to donate it to serve as treatment for children with cancer. In this way I would do my best and give everything in me, to make a good tournament. Beyond everything, being part of this tournament would be a dream and ideal fulfilled for me. I wonder. Will someone take some interest in me being part of this tournament. If it were an online tournament, I would request that I be accompanied by a Fide arbiter, so that everything would be more crystal clear and transparent for everyone. LeelaQueenOdds, I have observed today that you are a better rival than yesterday, so I will try to be a better rival for you tomorrow than today, my beloved machine.

[Father]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

The issue has been resolved. A single character, "a", had to be added to the name of the network file.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. My report on LeelaQueenOdds for November 2, 2024. Today I had planned to play twenty matches; however, I only managed to play thirteen battles, and I lost in the final draw, five victories for the computer, three victories for me, and five draws. I started off in the lead, with one draw and one victory. But then the process was reversed... I had programmed my soul to recover in the last seven games, but time was fast and I was not able to complete the process. So let's leave today as a day of defeat for me. I learn a lot from defeats and I have already analyzed LeelaQeenOdds' way of being and thinking. I have observed the computer's personality from my heart. Tomorrow will be another day, and if the programmer of my soul and my spirit, the giver of life, allows me to continue, my will will be to rise up and beat the machine. I would like to participate, in fact, be one of the participants, in a "Man vs. Computer Chess Challenger Cup," competing with a group of grandmasters in the style of the 1995 Harvard Cup. In this imaginary tournament, there would be computers in their standard mode and also Odds. But men would not face each other, only humans against machines. I would not seek any prize money, and if I were to obtain it by becoming a creditor for that prize, then my will is to donate it to serve as treatment for children with cancer. In this way I would do my best and give everything in me, to make a good tournament. Beyond everything, being part of this tournament would be a dream and ideal fulfilled for me. I wonder. Will someone take some interest in me being part of this tournament. If it were an online tournament, I would request that I be accompanied by a Fide arbiter, so that everything would be more crystal clear and transparent for everyone. LeelaQueenOdds, I have observed today that you are a better rival than yesterday, so I will try to be a better rival for you tomorrow than today, my beloved machine.

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

The issue has been resolved. A single character, "a", had to be added to the name of the network file.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. My report on LeelaQueenOdds for November 2, 2024. Today I had planned to play twenty matches; however, I only managed to play thirteen battles, and I lost in the final draw, five victories for the computer, three victories for me, and five draws. I started off in the lead, with one draw and one victory. But then the process was reversed... I had programmed my soul to recover in the last seven games, but time was fast and I was not able to complete the process. So let's leave today as a day of defeat for me. I learn a lot from defeats and I have already analyzed LeelaQeenOdds' way of being and thinking. I have observed the computer's personality from my heart. Tomorrow will be another day, and if the programmer of my soul and my spirit, the giver of life, allows me to continue, my will will be to rise up and beat the machine. I would like to participate, in fact, be one of the participants, in a "Man vs. Computer Chess Challenger Cup," competing with a group of grandmasters in the style of the 1995 Harvard Cup. In this imaginary tournament, there would be computers in their standard mode and also Odds. But men would not face each other, only humans against machines. I would not seek any prize money, and if I were to obtain it by becoming a creditor for that prize, then my will is to donate it to serve as treatment for children with cancer. In this way I would do my best and give everything in me, to make a good tournament. Beyond everything, being part of this tournament would be a dream and ideal fulfilled for me. I wonder. Will someone take some interest in me being part of this tournament. If it were an online tournament, I would request that I be accompanied by a Fide arbiter, so that everything would be more crystal clear and transparent for everyone. LeelaQueenOdds, I have observed today that you are a better rival than yesterday, so I will try to be a better rival for you tomorrow than today, my beloved machine.

...... I was thinking a moment ago that if I retired from playing chess precisely at this very moment while I am writing, the machine, LeelaQueenOdds, would be the leader in my encounters with this machine. And this would be a triumph for the LeelaQueenOdds machine and its programmers. Winning and losing are the indivisible parts of the same currency, one does not exist without the other, it is the same as a sales contract, there is no sale without the purchase, they make up a single body, a single category. Once again I want to express... Thank you for LeelaQueenOdds, I hope and wish that it becomes a better machine every day.

[Father]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

The issue has been resolved. A single character, "a", had to be added to the name of the network file.

Mr. Larry Kaufman. Allow me to congratulate you and your team at LeelaQueenOdds. Great job. !! Applause.

[Father]

A player with a lichess blitz rating of 2800 and Rapid 2753 finally won a game from LeelaKnightOdds. It took him 90 games to win one, sixty two blitz and 28 Rapid games. The Rapid score was +25 = 2 -1 at time limits ranging from 9 + 3 to 15 + 3. Based on his LiChess ratings his FIDE rating should be about 2560. That works out to a performance rating of just over 3000, giving knight odds in Rapid!! Of course that's probably a lucky result, and extrapolating like this is speculative, but it does suggest that already a knight odds Rapid match with any of the World top ten would be competitive.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, good afternoon. There are some mathematical operations in determining the power at play of a human against a computer, which are causing me confusion in calculation. Let's see: Nakamura estimates that he has a playing power of 1800 playing without his queen; On the other hand, the hardware and software that drive LeelaQueenOdds is superior to the performance that Nakamura has against the human playing Nakamura without his queen; So then Nakamura could be estimated without his queen at 1800 elo, and LeelaQueenOdds, I would estimate, who could be 100 elo higher than Nakamura also playing without his queen the machine. So then, when I face LeelaQueenOdds I am facing a player with playing power between 1800 to 1900 elo. Taking these assumptions as a basis, and as an example my results today against LeelaQueenOdss which are 5 in my favor against 1 for the computer LeelaQueenOdds, we would have that my elo performance today has been +466 compared to the firepower of the computer, from which , my tournament elo today is 2222-2366. On the other hand, I wonder if scientifically, if it is possible or not possible, or better asked, if it is probable or if it is not probable, to convert LeelaQueenOdds into a player with a playing strength of 2000 Fide. In a purely anecdotal way, in approximately 2004, I remember that the performance in a line of 20 matches of the 5th player in the world ranking within a web club was 4 points out of 20 at that time, and today everything has changed ; At that same place and time yesterday my performance was 12 points out of 20 on or against the same computer and software. What I want to show with all this is that the measurement of human playing power is under prejudice.

It is difficult for me to follow what you are saying, but if your point is that the meaning of a given rating like 2000 is different than it was twenty years ago, you are correct. My studies indicate that ratings for a given level of play have dropped about a hundred elo in that time period, so for example a player with a 1900 FIDE rating today plays about as well as a player with a 2000 FIDE rating did twenty years ago. Regarding your performance rating, a 5 to 1 score = +280 elo, not 466, I don't know where you got that number. Your overall results suggest that you play blitz at about the same level as a 2000 FIDE player today, or a 2100 FIDE player twenty years ago. But this is blitz, it doesn't tell us what your rating would be in classical chess.

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. I would like to see and it would give me a lot of joy, to see and know, a LeelaQueenOdds computer, with an elo of 2000 Fide in play with a level of classic time control and of course also the machine with even higher power in blitz time control. I don't know what the limit of science is.

You will be glad to hear that I expect the rook odds and queen odds bots to be upgraded soon, to make use of the net trained for knight odds. Although we didn't expect that a net trained for knight odds would be better than the normal one at rook or queen odds, it turns out that it is noticeably stronger even when giving these odds. Apparently it has learned to play odds chess well in general, not just knight odds. I think you can expect that it will perform at about FIDE 2000 level in 3'0" blitz, but that's probably only about equal to 1500 FIDE at classical time limits. Once a net is specifically trained for queen odds, that may add another 100 elo or so. Beyond that it won't be easy to improve.

][/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/k2SYI4EK"]
[Date "2024.11.01"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.01"]
[UTCTime "04:29:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 c6 9. b3 Be7 10. Bb2 O-O 11. c4 b6 12. Bxc6 Rb8 13. Qe2 Bb7 14. Bxb7 Rxb7 15. a4 Qc7 16. Rad1 Rd8 17. Rd3 Qc8 18. Re1 Rbd7 19. Red1 Bb4 20. Rg3 Bf8 21. Rgd3 Bb4 22. Rg3 Bf8 23. Rgd3 Bb4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

It's late at night and sleep begins to win... In order for me to dream about the little angels, I decided to play two matches against LeelaKnightOdds. The final result was 1.5 in favor of the machine and 0.5 in my favor. 25% performance for my human corner is not bad at all, although I think the computer had luck in its favor. I won't play any more games today against the computer. November 1st is a date that I would be happy to spend with my visionary super grandmaster rating. There will never be recognition by the world of it, but at the end of the day...: "what difference does it make?" I don't care about world prices, world and its vanities? I just love chess. ! How many errors do I find in the reference sources when defining the state of the art of men against machines in the Internet sources and the mass media... maybe all this is just a dream, a battle in search of Akiles and his tendon, and nothing more than that...:

Leela Knight Odds is currently set to assume that it is playing a strong grandmaster in a Rapid game, basically the strongest opposition it ever gets, so it will generally allow an early repetition draw if it has no compensation for the knight. We could easily set it to avoid draws even when down a knight for nothing, but the focus is to avoid losses to strong players rather than to avoid draws. So any calculation of performance rating for it against a wide-ranging field is likely to be an understatement of its true strength. Imagine if Magnus Carlsen played in an open tournament and announced he would repeat moves as Black any time the opponent did so in the first 25 moves as long as he wasn't yet better. Lots of 2000 rated players would be able to say they drew with a 2830 player, but what would that mean? That's sort of the situation.

Thank you for your explanation, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The time of my life continues to advance relentlessly; I am already 64 years old, and my memories do not fade when I see the movie in my memory and in my heart. watching myself playing with the Chess Challenger Level 7 computer, from Fidellity Electronics, this whole story goes back to 1980, when I was 19 years old, my Father gave me that jewel of a computer where it all began...: hence my nickname "Father" is all in the memory of my Father and my Mother. I would just like to tell you, without being disrespectful, that in a tournament of men against machines, the winner will be the human who reaches the most points, not the one who has the best level of play and that in such a battle or pulse of man against machine, It is possible to apply there that adage that teaches: "In war and in love all is fair." Doesn't "Tuccidides' Trap" explain all this? I would believe that a lifetime of learning about the psychology of algorithms has transported me to a battle scenario, where the challenge for me is not only chess, but beyond Therefore, chess has become the bridge between two worlds. That of my ideals, my hope and my faith. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for the work of the Odds. The Odds give meaning to man versus machine chess... the Odds allow and update the balance of the battle... I see a great future there...:

All bots have been upgraded to use the specially trained knight odds net now. It would be interesting to compare your results against LeelaQueenOdds from now on with your results up to now, at same time limit, to see if it is really stronger now, as I believe.

Mr. Larry Kaufman, thank you very much for your important help and contribution to chess and to us human beings who love the game of science. A new day has begun, and the Odds accompany my walk. The Odds are today for me a real contribution that make up one of the three bases on which I run the marathon of life that requires food: "The body, the soul and the mind. nitrides in order with, sport, prayer and chess (a sport for my mind.)
Note. I sat down at the table to play with Oddsqueen, and the computer remained motionless even though it appeared to be in play, but the clock did not run, and the chips did not advance... I felt and remembered the psychological sensations that the great human Boris Spasky felt in the match of the century, the
match between two giants.

The issue has been resolved. A single character, "a", had to be added to the name of the network file.

Mr. Larry Kaufman. Allow me to congratulate you and your team at LeelaQueenOdds. Great job. !! Applause.

..by this time, usually I would be defeating the computer LeelaQueenOdds in the final leaderboard of the day. But in these last lines of the war, the force of the computer has catapulted, 12 victories for me, 19 victories for the computer and 26 draws, the last march continues. My own perception is that under 3 minute controls without increment, the LeelaQeenOdds computer can defeat many top level players and Masters who blink and get just a little distracted...

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/DAZ8zb1N"]
[Date "2024.11.03"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.03"]
[UTCTime "12:34:56"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Bf4 a6 4. e3 Ne4 5. Nxe4 dxe4 6. O-O-O e6 7. f3 exf3 8. Nxf3 Bd6 9. Bg5 Be7 10. Bf4 Bd6 11. Bg5 Be7 12. Bf4 O-O 13. Bd3 c6 14. h4 Nd7 15. g4 Nf6 16. g5 Nd5 17. Be5 Nxe3 18. Rdg1 f5 19. gxf6 Bxf6 20. h5 Bxe5 21. Nxe5 Nf5 22. h6 g6 23. Rxg6+ hxg6 24. h7+ Kg7 25. Rg1 Qf6 26. Rxg6+ Qxg6 27. Nxg6 Kxg6 28. Kd2 Rh8 29. Kc3 Rxh7 30. Kb4 b6 31. Kc3 a5 32. b3 Kf6 33. Kb2 Bd7 34. Kc3 Rh3 35. Kb2 Rxd3 36. cxd3 Rh8 37. Kc3 Rh4 38. b4 axb4+ 39. Kxb4 Rxd4+ 40. Kc3 Ra4 41. Kb3 b5 42. a3 Ke5 43. Kc3 Kd6 44. Kb3 Kd5 45. Kb2 Kd4 46. Kc2 Rxa3 47. Kb2 Rxd3 48. Kc2 b4 49. Kb2 Rc3 50. Ka2 e5 51. Kb2 e4 52. Ka2 e3 53. Ka1 e2 54. Kb2 Kd3 55. Kb1 e1=Q+ 56. Ka2 Qe2+ 57. Kb1 Qc2+ 58. Ka1 Ra3# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/CUcXasio"]
[Date "2024.11.03"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.03"]
[UTCTime "12:31:10"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d3 e6 3. g3 Nf6 4. Bg2 Nc6 5. O-O b6 6. c3 Bb7 7. Nbd2 Be7 8. b4 a5 9. b5 Nb8 10. a4 O-O 11. Bb2 c6 12. Nd4 Qc7 13. c4 c5 14. N4f3 d4 15. Rae1 e5 16. e4 Ne8 17. Bc1 g6 18. Re2 Ng7 19. Rfe1 f6 20. Nf1 Nd7 21. Bh6 Rf7 22. h4 Bf8 23. Bc1 Be7 24. N1h2 Bf8 25. Ng4 Be7 26. Nh6+ Kf8 27. Nxf7 Kxf7 28. Bh6 Bf8 29. Bc1 Ne6 30. h5 Bg7 31. h6 Bf8 32. Bh3 Re8 33. Bxe6+ Kxe6 34. g4 Kf7 35. Nh2 Kg8 36. f3 Be7 37. Rg2 Rf8 38. Ree2 Rf7 39. Kf1 Qd8 40. Ke1 Qf8 41. Kd1 Bd8 42. Kc2 Bc7 43. Rg1 Bc8 44. Reg2 Kh8 45. Bd2 Qe7 46. Nf1 Nf8 47. Ng3 Qe8 48. Bc1 Qe7 49. Bd2 Qd8 50. Bc1 Be6 51. Kb3 Qe7 52. Bd2 Qd8 53. Bc1 Bb8 54. Bd2 Bd6 55. Bc1 g5 56. Rh2 Qe7 57. Nf5 Bxf5 58. gxf5 Nd7 59. Kc2 Qe8 60. Bd2 Bf8 61. Kd1 Re7 62. Ke2 Qf7 63. Kf2 Nb8 64. Ke2 Nd7 65. Kd1 Nb8 66. Kc2 Nd7 67. Kd1 Re8 68. Kc2 Be7 69. Be1 Rg8 70. Rg4 Qf8 71. Bd2 Bd8 72. Be1 Be7 73. Rh1 Bd8 74. Rh2 Be7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/n8hxmUKB"]
[Date "2024.11.03"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.03"]
[UTCTime "06:38:00"]
[WhiteElo "2082"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. e3 Nc6 3. f4 d6 4. Nf3 g6 5. c3 Bg7 6. Bd3 Bd7 7. O-O O-O 8. Qc2 Rae8 9. e4 e6 10. e5 Nd5 11. a3 f6 12. Be4 fxe5 13. fxe5 dxe5 14. Nxe5 Rxf1+ 15. Kxf1 Nxe5 16. dxe5 Rf8+ 17. Kg1 Bb5 18. c4 Bxe5 19. cxb5 Bd4+ { White resigns. } 0-1[/pgn]

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

Good evening Mr. Larry Kaufman. On November 3, 2024, I played a very considerable number of games at a time control level of 3 minutes per game, with LeelaQueenOdds, the result is the following: 95 games in total. LeelaQueenOdds had 33 wins, 20 losses, and 42 draws. Consequently, on November 3, 2024, the computer defeated me 54 to 41.
On November 4, 2024, 3 matches were controlled and timed for 3 minutes, and the result in the final standings is, in my favor, 2 wins and 1 draw. On the other hand, 1 bullet game and the computer and I are equal. My opinion about LeelaQueenOdds, in the current state of the art, is that the LeelaQueenOdds computer has substantially improved its level. Today I ended up exhausted, but good.

So overall your results before the update were about 60% which is +70 elo, and after the update results are about -40 elo for you, so LeelaQueenOdds has improved about 110 elo against you. But you are probably getting better at playing queen odds with experience, so the actual improvement is probably more than this. Maybe 150 elo would be a good guess and reasonably close to our expectations.