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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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pohl4711 wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 4:43 am
Rebel wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 7:57 pm In case you missed it - Rebel-Extreme 1.1

REBEL-EXTREME 1.1 is our new STYLE engine where the focus is on playing style and ELO has a less priority. Nevertheless the engine has an estimated CEGT rating of 3350 elo.
Thanks for the hint!
Crazy numbers - cant wait to see my testing-results.
I revisited the fast shortie PGN evaluator / extractor. This is what I did, I replayed the elo-3400 15.000 games pool with the balanced openings I am using but now from EPD, same positions, thus much shorter games, also not playing till mate but adjudication after 10 pawns, thus also shorter games. And the results are pretty cool, download link in next post.

. shorties-40-moves
. shorties-35-moves
. shorties-30-moves
. shorties-25-moves
. shorties-20-moves
. shorties-15-moves --> that one below

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "26"]
[White "Koivisto-6.0"]
[Black "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r2r2k1/pp1bbpp1/2nppn1p/q7/4PP1B/2N2N2/PPP3PP/2KRQB1R w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "23"]
[Short "3500"]

1. Kb1 b5 2. Bxb5 Nb4 3. Bxd7 Rxd7 4. a3 Nc6 5. e5 Rb7 6. exf6 Qxa3 7. b3
Rab8 8. Nd2 Nd4 9. Qf2 Nxb3 10. Nxb3 Rxb3+ 11. cxb3 Rxb3+ 12. Kc2 0-1

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "55"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Koivisto-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2rq1rk1/pb2bppp/1pn1pn2/8/3P4/P1N1BN2/BP3PPP/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "24"]
[Short "2200"]

1. Re1 h6 2. Qd2 Na5 3. Bxh6 gxh6 4. Qxh6 Nc4 5. Bb1 Ba8 6. Ng5 Nxb2 7.
Bh7+ Kh8 8. Bf5+ Kg8 9. Rxe6 Rxc3 10. Rxc3 Qxd4 11. Bh7+ Kh8 12. Bc2+ Kg8
1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "231"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Koivisto-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bq1rk1/pp2bpp1/2np1n2/2p1p3/2P1P1Pp/2NPB2P/PP3PB1/R2QK1NR w KQ - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[Short "1700"]

1. f4 exf4 2. Bxf4 Nd7 3. Nf3 Nde5 4. O-O Nxf3+ 5. Qxf3 Bf6 6. g5 Bxg5 7.
Qh5 Bf6 8. Nd5 Bxb2 9. e5 Bxe5 10. Bg5 Qe8 11. Bf6 gxf6 12. Be4 f5 13. Qg5+
Kh7 14. Rxf5 Bd4+ 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "251"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Igel-3.30"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r2qk2r/pbppbppp/np2pn2/8/2P5/1P3NP1/P2PPPBP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 O-O 3. Ne5 Ne4 4. Bb2 Rc8 5. cxd5 Nxc3 6. Bxc3 exd5 7. e3
c6 8. Bb2 Re8 9. Qh5 f6 10. Bh3 fxe5 11. Be6+ Kh8 12. Bf5 h6 13. Qg6 Kg8
1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "260"]
[White "Altair-6.0"]
[Black "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqk2r/pp4pp/2pbpn2/3p1p2/2PP4/2NBP3/PPQ2PPP/R1B1K1NR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "29"]
[Short "1700"]

1. Nf3 O-O 2. c5 Bc7 3. b4 Ne4 4. Rb1 Rf6 5. O-O Rh6 6. b5 Bxh2+ 7. Kh1 Qe8
8. Nxe4 fxe4 9. Ng5 Qg6 10. Nh3 exd3 11. Qd1 e5 12. bxc6 Bxh3 13. Qf3 Be6
14. Qd1 Bf4+ 15. Kg1 0-1

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "309"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Clover-3.3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqk2r/3nppbp/2p3p1/pp6/3PP3/1BP5/P3NPPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. a4 O-O 2. h4 b4 3. e5 e6 4. h5 Re8 5. hxg6 hxg6 6. Qd3 Nc5 7. Qh3 Nxb3
8. Bh6 Bxe5 9. dxe5 Nxa1 10. f3 Qd5 11. Bg7 Qd2+ 12. Kxd2 Rd8+ 13. Ke1 Nc2+
1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "333"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Igel-3.30"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r3k2r/ppqnnppp/4p3/2PpP3/b7/P1PB1N2/2P2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "24"]
[Short "2200"]

1. Be3 Nxc5 2. Bxc5 Qxc5 3. Rb1 b6 4. Ng5 h6 5. Qh5 O-O 6. Rb4 Be8 7. Qh3
Qc8 8. Bh7+ Kh8 9. Rh4 Bb5 10. Rxh6 g6 11. Bg8+ Kg7 12. Rh8 Bxf1 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "589"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Clover-3.3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqk2r/p2nbppp/1p2p3/2ppP3/3P1P2/2N1BN2/PPP3PP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "23"]
[Short "3500"]

1. f5 O-O 2. f6 gxf6 3. Bd3 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nxe5 5. Bxh7+ Kxh7 6. Qh5+ Kg8 7.
O-O-O Bb7 8. Rhf1 Nbc6 9. Rf3 Nxd4 10. Rh3 Nd3+ 11. Kb1 Nxc2 12. Qh8# 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "620"]
[White "Igel-3.30"]
[Black "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqkb1r/ppp4p/2nppnp1/5p2/2PP4/P1N1PP2/1P4PP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "22"]
[Short "3500"]

1. Nh3 Bg7 2. Be2 O-O 3. Nf2 f4 4. g3 Nh5 5. gxf4 Qh4 6. O-O Ng3 7. hxg3
Qxg3+ 8. Kh1 Rf5 9. Nh3 Qxh3+ 10. Kg1 Qg3+ 11. Kh1 Rh5# 0-1

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "729"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Halogen-12"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/pbq1ppbp/1p4p1/n1p5/3PPN2/2PBB3/P4PPP/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[Short "1700"]

1. e5 Rad8 2. Qg4 Qc8 3. Qg3 Ba6 4. Bxa6 Qxa6 5. h4 e6 6. Nh5 cxd4 7. Bg5
d3 8. Nxg7 d2 9. Rcd1 Qd3 10. Qf4 Nc4 11. Bf6 a6 12. Qh6 Ne3 13. fxe3 Rd4
14. Nf5 Qxf1+ 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "745"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Altair-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r3k2r/1bq2ppp/p1pbpn2/1p6/P3P3/3B4/1PPNQPPP/R1B2R1K w kq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "22"]
[Short "3500"]

1. f4 Nd7 2. e5 Be7 3. Ne4 O-O 4. Qh5 g6 5. Qh6 c5 6. Bd2 c4 7. Bb4 cxd3 8.
Bxe7 Bxe4 9. Bf6 Bxg2+ 10. Kxg2 Qc6+ 11. Kg3 Nxf6 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "749"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Igel-3.30"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r3r1k1/pp2ppbp/3pbnp1/q7/3BP3/2N5/PPPQBPPP/3RR1K1 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "23"]
[Short "3500"]

1. Qe3 Ng4 2. Bxg4 Bxg4 3. Bxg7 Bxd1 4. Qh6 Bg4 5. h3 Bd7 6. e5 Bc6 7. Re4
f6 8. Bh8 Kxh8 9. Rh4 Kg8 10. Qxh7+ Kf8 11. e6 Qxc3 12. Qh8# 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "755"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Igel-3.30"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn3rk1/pb1qppbp/1pp3p1/6B1/3PP3/1BP5/P3NPPP/R2QK2R w KQ - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "29"]
[Short "1700"]

1. O-O c5 2. d5 a5 3. a4 Ba6 4. Re1 Bxe2 5. Qxe2 Bxc3 6. Bc4 f6 7. Bh6 Rf7
8. Rac1 Bxe1 9. Rxe1 Qxa4 10. e5 fxe5 11. d6 e6 12. Bxe6 Nc6 13. Qf3 Rf8
14. Qf6 Qd4 15. Qg7# 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "757"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Koivisto-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/pbpqppbp/1pn3p1/6B1/2BPP3/2P5/P2QNPPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[Short "3200"]

1. Bb5 a6 2. Bd3 Nd8 3. Bh6 Bxh6 4. Qxh6 e5 5. f4 exd4 6. f5 Qd6 7. f6 Qxf6
8. Rxf6 dxc3 9. Rf3 Re8 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "795"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Clover-3.3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqkb1r/1p3ppp/p1n1pn2/8/3p4/1BN1PN2/PP3PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[Short "1700"]

1. exd4 Be7 2. Re1 O-O 3. Bf4 Na5 4. Bc2 b5 5. d5 exd5 6. Qd3 g6 7. Rxe7
Qxe7 8. Bg5 Qd6 9. Qd4 b4 10. Bxf6 bxc3 11. Ng5 cxb2 12. Qh4 bxa1=Q+ 13.
Bxa1 h6 14. Qxh6 Qxh2+ 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "799"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Seer-2.50"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1b1r1k1/2q1bppp/p1np1n2/1p6/3pP3/1P3N1P/PBBN1PP1/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Rc1 Qb6 2. Nf1 Nd7 3. Ng3 Bf6 4. e5 Bxe5 5. Bxh7+ Kf8 6. Nxe5 Rxe5 7.
Rxe5 Ndxe5 8. Be4 Bb7 9. Qh5 d5 10. Nf5 Kg8 11. Rxc6 Bxc6 12. Bxd4 Qxd4 13.
Nxd4 dxe4 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "805"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Altair-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/p2bppbp/6p1/qpR5/3PP3/1Q2BP2/P3N1PP/5RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Rd1 Rfc8 2. Nf4 Qd8 3. e5 a5 4. e6 Be8 5. Qc2 Bh6 6. Bc1 Bxf4 7. Bxf4
fxe6 8. Bc7 Qd7 9. Qc1 b4 10. Be5 Qa4 11. Qh6 Qxd1+ 12. Kf2 Qd2+ 13. Qxd2
Rxc5 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "859"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Koivisto-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn1q1rk1/pp2bpp1/2p2n1p/3p2B1/3P2b1/2NBPN2/PPQ2PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Ne5 hxg5 2. h4 gxh4 3. Rxh4 g5 4. Rh1 Be6 5. O-O-O Qc8 6. f4 Nbd7 7. g4
Kg7 8. fxg5 Nxe5 9. dxe5 Ne4 10. Rh7+ Kg6 11. Qh2 Bxg4 12. Nxe4 Bh3 13.
Nd6+ f5 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "863"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Igel-3.30"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqkb1r/pp1n1ppp/4pn2/2p5/3PN3/3B4/PPP1QPPP/R1B1K1NR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[Short "1700"]

1. Nf3 cxd4 2. O-O Be7 3. Rd1 Nxe4 4. Bxe4 Nc5 5. Rxd4 Qb6 6. Bf4 Qxb2 7.
Rad1 O-O 8. Bxh7+ Kxh7 9. Be5 Qxa2 10. Bxg7 Rg8 11. Ne5 Qxc2 12. Bf6 Rxg2+
13. Kh1 Qxd1+ 14. Qxd1 Bxf6 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "897"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Seer-2.50"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnb1kb1r/ppq2ppp/4pn2/2p5/3P4/2P2N2/PPN2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "22"]
[Short "3500"]

1. Bg5 Be7 2. Bd3 O-O 3. O-O Nbd7 4. Ne3 b6 5. d5 exd5 6. Re1 Bd8 7. Bc2
Bb7 8. Qd3 Re8 9. Nxd5 Rxe1+ 10. Rxe1 Kf8 11. Nxc7 Bxc7 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "973"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Halogen-12"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r2q1rk1/pb2bpp1/1pn2n1p/2ppN3/3P3B/2NBP3/PP3PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "22"]
[Short "3500"]

1. Bc2 Rc8 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qd3 Re8 4. Qh7+ Kf8 5. Ng4 Nb4 6. Bf5 Rb8 7.
Rfe1 h5 8. e4 Bc8 9. exd5 Be6 10. dxe6 fxe6 11. Qh8+ Kf7 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1047"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Clover-3.3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn1q1rk1/p1p2ppp/bp1ppn2/6B1/2PP4/P1Q2N2/1P2PPPP/R3KB1R w KQ - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[Short "1700"]

1. e4 h6 2. Bh4 g5 3. e5 gxh4 4. Qe3 Bb7 5. Qxh6 dxe5 6. Ng5 e4 7. d5 exd5
8. g3 dxc4 9. Rd1 Qe7 10. Bxc4 Bc8 11. gxh4 e3 12. f3 Bg4 13. Rg1 Na6 14.
Rxg4 Qb4+ 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1129"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Halogen-12"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbq1rk1/pp2ppbp/3p2p1/2P4n/5B2/2P1PN2/PP1N1PPP/R2QKB1R w KQ - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "20"]
[Short "2800"]

1. h4 Nxf4 2. exf4 dxc5 3. h5 Qc7 4. g3 Nc6 5. hxg6 hxg6 6. Ng5 b5 7. Qf3
Rb8 8. Rh8+ Bxh8 9. Qh1 Bh3 10. Qxh3 Qe5+ 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1199"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Seer-2.50"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r3kb1r/ppp1pppp/2n2n2/3q4/3P4/5b1P/PPP1BPP1/RNBQK2R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Bxf3 Qd6 2. c3 O-O-O 3. O-O e5 4. Na3 Qd7 5. Nc4 exd4 6. Bf4 Bc5 7. b4
Bb6 8. Qa4 Kb8 9. b5 Ne7 10. Nxb6 axb6 11. Bxb7 Kxb7 12. Qa6+ Kb8 13. Qxb6+
Ka8 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1261"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Seer-2.50"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bq1rk1/bpp2ppp/p1np1n2/4p3/4P3/1BPPBN2/PP3PPP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Nbd2 Bxe3 2. fxe3 Na5 3. Bc2 c5 4. Qe1 Qb6 5. Rb1 Be6 6. Ng5 Bxa2 7.
Rxf6 h6 8. Qg3 hxg5 9. Rbf1 Qxb2 10. Nf3 gxf6 11. Nxg5 fxg5 12. Qxg5+ Kh7
13. Rf6 Qc1+ 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1284"]
[White "Igel-3.30"]
[Black "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqk2r/ppp1npbp/6p1/4p3/2Pp4/3P1NP1/PP2PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "27"]
[Short "1900"]

1. b4 h6 2. Nbd2 O-O 3. a4 Be6 4. Nb3 Qc8 5. Nc5 Bh3 6. Bxh3 Qxh3 7. Nxb7
Nd7 8. Ba3 Nf6 9. b5 Ng4 10. Bxe7 f5 11. Bxf8 e4 12. dxe4 fxe4 13. Qxd4
Bxd4 14. Rfe1 0-1

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1296"]
[White "Clover-3.3"]
[Black "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn1qk2r/pbppb1pp/1p2pn2/5p2/2PP4/P1N2NP1/1P2PP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "27"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Bg2 Ne4 2. Nxe4 Bxe4 3. O-O O-O 4. d5 a5 5. Bh3 Qe8 6. Nd2 Qh5 7. Nxe4
Qxh3 8. Nc3 Bd6 9. Nb5 e5 10. Nxc7 f4 11. Nb5 Rf6 12. Nd4 exd4 13. e3 Rh6
14. Qh5 0-1

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1335"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Koivisto-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbq1rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/3p2B1/2PPn3/2N1PN2/PPQ2PPP/R3KB1R w KQ - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[Short "1700"]

1. h4 Nxg5 2. hxg5 e6 3. Bd3 Na6 4. a3 c5 5. O-O-O Bd7 6. Rh4 cxd4 7. exd4
dxc4 8. Be4 Rb8 9. Rdh1 b5 10. Rxh7 b4 11. Bxg6 Be8 12. Qe4 fxg6 13. Rxg7+
Kxg7 14. Qe5+ Rf6 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1427"]
[White "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Black "Altair-6.0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkb1r/p3pp1p/2pp1np1/1p6/2BPP3/2N2N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[Short "1900"]

1. Bb3 b4 2. e5 bxc3 3. exf6 cxb2 4. Bxb2 exf6 5. O-O Be7 6. d5 O-O 7. Re1
a5 8. Qd2 c5 9. Qh6 g5 10. Rxe7 Qxe7 11. Bxf6 Qxf6 12. Qxf6 a4 13. Qxg5+
Kh8 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.08.15"]
[Round "1470"]
[White "Seer-2.50"]
[Black "Rebel-Extreme-1.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/pb3ppp/1pnq1n2/2ppN3/3P4/P1PBP3/1B3PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "27"]
[Short "1900"]

1. c4 Rad8 2. dxc5 bxc5 3. Nxc6 Bxc6 4. Re1 d4 5. exd4 cxd4 6. h3 Rfe8 7.
Rxe8+ Rxe8 8. Qc2 Nh5 9. Rd1 Nf4 10. Bxd4 Qh6 11. Bf1 Nxh3+ 12. Kh2 Nxf2+
13. Kg3 Nh1+ 14. Kg4 0-1
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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Short-wins-new-style.zip
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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Rebel wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 7:57 pm In case you missed it - Rebel-Extreme 1.1

REBEL-EXTREME 1.1 is our new STYLE engine where the focus is on playing style and ELO has a less priority. Nevertheless the engine has an estimated CEGT rating of 3350 elo.

Additional info.

Instead of playing from balanced openings (I am using the Frank Q. positions) I also used Stefan's UHO positions and played the usual 45.000 games. Remarkable EAS numbers.

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                            bad  avg.win                         
 EAS-Score  sacs   shorts  draws  moves  Engine/player 
   532453  50.18%  74.26%  09.34%   51   Rebel-Extrene-1.1     // 3578 elo pool | BoCC = 373.512 [!]
   548632  46.28%  73.85%  07.47%   51   Rebel-Extrene-1.1     // 3500 elo pool | BoCC = 337.375
   598924  48.19%  78.67%  06.81%   49   Rebel-Extreme-1.1     // 3400 elo pool | BoCC = 365.025
Almost 600K gained in the 3400 elo pool.

Small disadvantage, playing from UHO positions lowers the elo somewhat, one would expect the opposite.

Draw rate dropped to 25.2%
Are you sure, you provided the correct release version?
My testrun of Rebel Extreme 1.1 (started yesterday) shows nearly identical results (Celo and EAS) as Rebel Extreme 1.0 ???
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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I re-downloaded Rebel Extreme 1.1 right now and this version is competely different from the 1.1, I downloaded yesterday???

Today version needs nearly 2.5x more time to finish "go depth 25" and shows completely different PV and eval???

So, I will restart my testrun. The 1.1 from yesterday seems broken or was just version 1.0?
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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Rebel wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:58 pm
peter wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:22 pm 3'+1" single thread (3.5GHz), UHO 2024 900-990cp 6mvs:

Score of RebelExtreme1.1 vs Patricia5: 19 - 137 - 94 [0.264]
Elo difference: -178.1 +/- 35.3, LOS: 0.0 %, DrawRatio: 37.6 %
250 of 500 games finished.

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No. Name          Win Draw Loss Unf.  Score Games       %
---------------------------------------------------------
  1 Rebel-16.3   +806 =830 -101   *0 1221.0  1737   70.3%
  2 Patricia-5.0 +101 =830 -806   *0  516.0  1737   29.7%

Total Games:    1737
White Wins:      549 (31.6%)
Black Wins:      358 (20.6%)
Draws:           830 (47.8%)
This is the ELO Rebel and now the roles are reversed.
Well, yes, about the same approximately 150 Elo (RebelExtreme1.1-Patricia5 were 178 but with an error bar of 35 at only 250 games), at your match with +-12 Elo noise.
So I retried same conditions as in match of mine you quoted, (3'+1" single thread, UHO 2024 900-990cp 6mvs):

Score of Rebel16.3 vs Patricia5.0: 114 - 35 - 101 [0.658]
Elo difference: 113.7 +/- 33.8, LOS: 100.0 %, DrawRatio: 40.4 %
250 of 500 games finished.

Also ongoing still.

BTW, first one match after the full 500 looked like this then:

Score of RebelExtreme1.1 vs Patricia5: 34 - 281 - 185 [0.253]
Elo difference: -188.1 +/- 25.1, LOS: 0.0 %, DrawRatio: 37.0 %
500 of 500 games finished.

Will return with EAS- ratings after second match is over with 500 games again maybe, if this time both sides will get the minimum of 50 wins for Stefan's tool, regards
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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peter wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:18 am
Rebel wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:58 pm
peter wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:22 pm 3'+1" single thread (3.5GHz), UHO 2024 900-990cp 6mvs:

Score of RebelExtreme1.1 vs Patricia5: 19 - 137 - 94 [0.264]
Elo difference: -178.1 +/- 35.3, LOS: 0.0 %, DrawRatio: 37.6 %
250 of 500 games finished.

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No. Name          Win Draw Loss Unf.  Score Games       %
---------------------------------------------------------
  1 Rebel-16.3   +806 =830 -101   *0 1221.0  1737   70.3%
  2 Patricia-5.0 +101 =830 -806   *0  516.0  1737   29.7%

Total Games:    1737
White Wins:      549 (31.6%)
Black Wins:      358 (20.6%)
Draws:           830 (47.8%)
This is the ELO Rebel and now the roles are reversed.
Well, yes, about the same approximately 150 Elo (RebelExtreme1.1-Patricia5 were 178 but with an error bar of 35 at only 250 games), at your match with +-12 Elo noise.
So I retried same conditions as in match of mine you quoted, (3'+1" single thread, UHO 2024 900-990cp 6mvs):

Score of Rebel16.3 vs Patricia5.0: 114 - 35 - 101 [0.658]
Elo difference: 113.7 +/- 33.8, LOS: 100.0 %, DrawRatio: 40.4 %
250 of 500 games finished.

Also ongoing still.

BTW, first one match after the full 500 looked like this then:

Score of RebelExtreme1.1 vs Patricia5: 34 - 281 - 185 [0.253]
Elo difference: -188.1 +/- 25.1, LOS: 0.0 %, DrawRatio: 37.0 %
500 of 500 games finished.

Will return with EAS- ratings after second match is over with 500 games again maybe, if this time both sides will get the minimum of 50 wins for Stefan's tool, regards
The 1.1 of yesterday seems to be the old 1.0...

Re-download and retry!!! New version shows correctly Rebel Extreme 1.1 and Copyright 2025. Old version did not.
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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pohl4711 wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:27 am The 1.1 of yesterday seems to be the old 1.0...

Re-download and retry!!! New version shows correctly Rebel Extreme 1.1 and Copyright 2025. Old version did not.
That's the version I used and downloaded under the name of binary "Rebel-Extreme-1.1.exe", if I start it in console:

info string Chess System Tal 2.1 EAS
info string Release version
info string (C) Chris Whittington 2003-2025
info string NNUE development Ed Schroder 2025
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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peter wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:35 am
pohl4711 wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:27 am The 1.1 of yesterday seems to be the old 1.0...

Re-download and retry!!! New version shows correctly Rebel Extreme 1.1 and Copyright 2025. Old version did not.
That's the version I used and downloaded under the name of binary "Rebel-Extreme-1.1.exe", if I start it in console:

info string Chess System Tal 2.1 EAS
info string Release version
info string (C) Chris Whittington 2003-2025
info string NNUE development Ed Schroder 2025
No change of download file that I can see.
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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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Whoops, web page sloppiness, clicking on the download button gives the wrong version, clicking on the text link is the good one, dated August 15, 6:08

Meanwhile I put the executable on my Google account, please re-download in case you are not sure.

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Re: BoCC -- Beauty of Computer Chess

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Graham Banks wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:48 am
peter wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:35 am
pohl4711 wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:27 am The 1.1 of yesterday seems to be the old 1.0...

Re-download and retry!!! New version shows correctly Rebel Extreme 1.1 and Copyright 2025. Old version did not.
That's the version I used and downloaded under the name of binary "Rebel-Extreme-1.1.exe", if I start it in console:

info string Chess System Tal 2.1 EAS
info string Release version
info string (C) Chris Whittington 2003-2025
info string NNUE development Ed Schroder 2025
No change of download file that I can see.
Thanks, Graham.

Anyhow, here are the results of the 2x500 games I did let play as started here

viewtopic.php?p=982031#p982031

with the Rebel Extreme 1.1- binary I downloaded from Ed's link given here

viewtopic.php?p=982009#p982009

Score of RebelExtreme1.1 vs Patricia5: 34 - 281 - 185 [0.253]
Elo difference: -188.1 +/- 25.1, LOS: 0.0 %, DrawRatio: 37.0 %
500 of 500 games finished.

Score of Rebel16.3 vs Patricia5.0: 218 - 67 - 215 [0.651]
Elo difference: 108.3 +/- 23.2, LOS: 100.0 %, DrawRatio: 43.0 %
500 of 500 games finished.

And the EAS- statistics of the two matches:

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                                 bad  avg.win
Rank  EAS-Score  sacs   shorts  draws  moves  Engine/player 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
   1     69246  32.35%  05.88%  27.03%   67   RebelExtreme1.1   XXXXX WARNING: Not enough games, EAS-score not reliable [50+ wins and 30+ draws needed] XXXXX  
   2     63305  09.25%  06.05%  19.46%   62   Patricia5  
-------------------------------------------------------------------

                                 bad  avg.win 
Rank  EAS-Score  sacs   shorts  draws  moves  Engine/player 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
   1    478292  53.73%  65.67%  08.84%   60   Patricia5.0  
   2      7321  04.59%  07.80%  55.35%   85   Rebel16.3  
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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