CornfedForever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:16 pm
Seriously...does anyone know of a way for me to hide or not see this trolls posts about me?
Add him to your foes list. It’s sad that I have to add so many annoyance posters to that list, and it doesn’t remove them completely (just shrinks down their posts), but it’s better than nothing.
You do have to develop more discipline and a thicker skin if you’re going to deal with trolls like him.
THANKS A BUNCH!
Added...and a quick check seems to indicate it is working!
M ANSARI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:35 am
OK John Doe ... I mean John Smith ... I mean Brian Smith.
M - Is it...Mark Ansari? Mathew Ansari....Mary Ansari?
Don’t bother. Its confirmed, he’s a troll.
Dude...YOU are the one who started asking about names, saying I was hiding behind a user name...someone pointed out my name was there to be seen...then making fun of it. Yours...I just see M. I don't know what it stands for and asked.
Anyway, since you clearly can't converse as you continue to resort to 'BS' like this...just don't address me, okay (?) and I won't address you. This is...beyond ridiculous. Of course, half of what I see on this thread is. Too often things degenerate to some weird interpersonal squabble...well, anywhere on the internet really; so 'here' is no exception. Adieu.
Check who you are responding to. I’ve never said anything about user names or real names on this forum. Also, I was not calling you a troll.
Yes, so sorry...nasty nested quotes in the thread - I grabbed the quote at the wrong point. Of course... The comments were meant for M. ANSARI.
Now now Mr. Cornfed ... your feathers getting ruffled? Try and read properly before going Picasso on us. You are quite new here and I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from participating in the forum. But once you start calling people clowns and start ridiculing people that don't have the same point of view that you have then you pretty much will get something back. My advice to you is keep any debate civil and avoid making it personal. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and your opinion is not the only one that matters. You mentioned earlier that you are 2600 or more on Chess.com and that someone was caught cheating against you ... somehow that didn't seem to bother you that much. I know when someone cheats against me online I feel like I want to tear them a new ahole. Would you be kind enough to share that game with us ... it would be interesting to check that game and see what triggered the cheat detection form Chess.com.
As for Hans Nieman and the cheating scandal ... you guys can search back to another very similar thread that had a lot of heated back and forth with regards to Ivanov. With Ivanov it was the same ... no physical proof and the person was never caught red handed. The guy even had CT scan and full body Xray with medical report. All allegations were based on the fact that he was just playing too good and error free and had many computer move matches.Unlike Hand, Ivanov had never been caught cheating and he did not have a coach that had been caught cheating ... so zero history of prior cheating. For me what made it ridiculously clear that he was cheating was he said that he kept playing thousands of games against Rybka 3 ... then realized he was ready when he started beating Rybka 3 .... 10 0 repeatedly. I had done a lot of beta testing for Rybka 3 and to me that was just hilariously ridiculous. But apparently for a lot of people they didn't think it was ridiculous! I mean if you play a game Call of Duty enough hours you can get pretty good at it ... right?? But chess doesn't work that way. Humans think in "plans" not individual moves ... and while a human can look at an engine game and later see a "plan" ... a human cannot see the small minute tactical pitfalls that are very obvious to engines. Sure if you are a sophisticated cheater like Hans seems to be, you can mix and obfuscate ... but there will always be a signature in the database of games you play that will be abnormal. I think this signature is quite clear already ... and most likely more will come. Is it enough to ban Hans from participating in tournaments ... I think so ... but many don't and I can see their point. The thing is that with chess ... if someone finds a way to cheat and not get caught then chess is over as a competitive sport. I mean you can give steroids or other enhancement drugs to an athlete and he will perform slightly better maybe 5% or 10% better than his non cheating competitors. But if anyone of us here would take steroids and try and beat Husain Bolt in 100m sprint ... I doubt it would be successful. However with chess ... anyone ... and I mean anyone ... with just a little training on how to cheat ... he could beat Magnus Carlsen repeatedly. With the inclusion of NNUE in the latest engines ... the gap between humans and engines is now around 1000 ELO points. That is why in Chess we have a huge problem and we have to have zero tolerance or baby handling of cheaters.
Ivanov simply did not agree that people search him.
This is the reason Ivanov could not continue to play in chess tournaments.
It did not happen with hans so hans is allowed to compete.
I do not believe anyone can cheat OTB and beat Carlsen repeatedly
If a weak player start to get good results and cannot talk about the games then people are going to suspect and prevent him to continue to win by cheating.
M ANSARI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:35 am
OK John Doe ... I mean John Smith ... I mean Brian Smith.
M - Is it...Mark Ansari? Mathew Ansari....Mary Ansari?
Don’t bother. Its confirmed, he’s a troll.
Dude...YOU are the one who started asking about names, saying I was hiding behind a user name...someone pointed out my name was there to be seen...then making fun of it. Yours...I just see M. I don't know what it stands for and asked.
Anyway, since you clearly can't converse as you continue to resort to 'BS' like this...just don't address me, okay (?) and I won't address you. This is...beyond ridiculous. Of course, half of what I see on this thread is. Too often things degenerate to some weird interpersonal squabble...well, anywhere on the internet really; so 'here' is no exception. Adieu.
Check who you are responding to. I’ve never said anything about user names or real names on this forum. Also, I was not calling you a troll.
Yes, so sorry...nasty nested quotes in the thread - I grabbed the quote at the wrong point. Of course... The comments were meant for M. ANSARI.
Now now Mr. Cornfed ... your feathers getting ruffled? Try and read properly before going Picasso on us. You are quite new here and I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from participating in the forum. But once you start calling people clowns and start ridiculing people that don't have the same point of view that you have then you pretty much will get something back. My advice to you is keep any debate civil and avoid making it personal. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and your opinion is not the only one that matters. You mentioned earlier that you are 2600 or more on Chess.com and that someone was caught cheating against you ... somehow that didn't seem to bother you that much. I know when someone cheats against me online I feel like I want to tear them a new ahole. Would you be kind enough to share that game with us ... it would be interesting to check that game and see what triggered the cheat detection form Chess.com.
As for Hans Nieman and the cheating scandal ... you guys can search back to another very similar thread that had a lot of heated back and forth with regards to Ivanov. With Ivanov it was the same ... no physical proof and the person was never caught red handed. The guy even had CT scan and full body Xray with medical report. All allegations were based on the fact that he was just playing too good and error free and had many computer move matches.Unlike Hand, Ivanov had never been caught cheating and he did not have a coach that had been caught cheating ... so zero history of prior cheating. For me what made it ridiculously clear that he was cheating was he said that he kept playing thousands of games against Rybka 3 ... then realized he was ready when he started beating Rybka 3 .... 10 0 repeatedly. I had done a lot of beta testing for Rybka 3 and to me that was just hilariously ridiculous. But apparently for a lot of people they didn't think it was ridiculous! I mean if you play a game Call of Duty enough hours you can get pretty good at it ... right?? But chess doesn't work that way. Humans think in "plans" not individual moves ... and while a human can look at an engine game and later see a "plan" ... a human cannot see the small minute tactical pitfalls that are very obvious to engines. Sure if you are a sophisticated cheater like Hans seems to be, you can mix and obfuscate ... but there will always be a signature in the database of games you play that will be abnormal. I think this signature is quite clear already ... and most likely more will come. Is it enough to ban Hans from participating in tournaments ... I think so ... but many don't and I can see their point. The thing is that with chess ... if someone finds a way to cheat and not get caught then chess is over as a competitive sport. I mean you can give steroids or other enhancement drugs to an athlete and he will perform slightly better maybe 5% or 10% better than his non cheating competitors. But if anyone of us here would take steroids and try and beat Husain Bolt in 100m sprint ... I doubt it would be successful. However with chess ... anyone ... and I mean anyone ... with just a little training on how to cheat ... he could beat Magnus Carlsen repeatedly. With the inclusion of NNUE in the latest engines ... the gap between humans and engines is now around 1000 ELO points. That is why in Chess we have a huge problem and we have to have zero tolerance or baby handling of cheaters.
Seriously...does anyone know of a way for me to hide or not see this trolls posts about me?
Not responding to you anymore as I said...BUT since you are telling a lie, I have to respond:
1. I NEVER said I was 2600 on chess.com. See Post 219, I said a 2600 cheated on me and had his account closed...the next day as I recall. I'm sorry but if English is not your native language, perhaps you should take a course if you insist on all these long posts. I'm not sure it would help though as it is clearly something else at play....and it's there for all to see.
2. I am actually not new here...I've had problems with 2 other accounts (caused by computer crashes and losing data...pw's etc.).
3. Just go away, okay? Please.
Oh are we being defensive now? So ok my mistake it was your opponent that was 2600 and not you ... but you must be around that level as well ... right. Are you titled by any chance on Chess.com? Why are you being so defensive about that game? Why not show us the game as it might have some important information about how Chess.com flags cheaters. I think lot of people here would find the game interesting.
CornfedForever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:16 pm
Seriously...does anyone know of a way for me to hide or not see this trolls posts about me?
Add him to your foes list. It’s sad that I have to add so many annoyance posters to that list, and it doesn’t remove them completely (just shrinks down their posts), but it’s better than nothing.
You do have to develop more discipline and a thicker skin if you’re going to deal with trolls like him.
Foes list !!!! Oh no I am eternally doomed! I better make sure I never disagree with you ever again . To be honest I never even knew that such a thing existed on this forum
M ANSARI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:35 am
OK John Doe ... I mean John Smith ... I mean Brian Smith.
M - Is it...Mark Ansari? Mathew Ansari....Mary Ansari?
Don’t bother. Its confirmed, he’s a troll.
Dude...YOU are the one who started asking about names, saying I was hiding behind a user name...someone pointed out my name was there to be seen...then making fun of it. Yours...I just see M. I don't know what it stands for and asked.
Anyway, since you clearly can't converse as you continue to resort to 'BS' like this...just don't address me, okay (?) and I won't address you. This is...beyond ridiculous. Of course, half of what I see on this thread is. Too often things degenerate to some weird interpersonal squabble...well, anywhere on the internet really; so 'here' is no exception. Adieu.
Check who you are responding to. I’ve never said anything about user names or real names on this forum. Also, I was not calling you a troll.
Yes, so sorry...nasty nested quotes in the thread - I grabbed the quote at the wrong point. Of course... The comments were meant for M. ANSARI.
Now now Mr. Cornfed ... your feathers getting ruffled? Try and read properly before going Picasso on us. You are quite new here and I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from participating in the forum. But once you start calling people clowns and start ridiculing people that don't have the same point of view that you have then you pretty much will get something back. My advice to you is keep any debate civil and avoid making it personal. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and your opinion is not the only one that matters. You mentioned earlier that you are 2600 or more on Chess.com and that someone was caught cheating against you ... somehow that didn't seem to bother you that much. I know when someone cheats against me online I feel like I want to tear them a new ahole. Would you be kind enough to share that game with us ... it would be interesting to check that game and see what triggered the cheat detection form Chess.com.
As for Hans Nieman and the cheating scandal ... you guys can search back to another very similar thread that had a lot of heated back and forth with regards to Ivanov. With Ivanov it was the same ... no physical proof and the person was never caught red handed. The guy even had CT scan and full body Xray with medical report. All allegations were based on the fact that he was just playing too good and error free and had many computer move matches.Unlike Hand, Ivanov had never been caught cheating and he did not have a coach that had been caught cheating ... so zero history of prior cheating. For me what made it ridiculously clear that he was cheating was he said that he kept playing thousands of games against Rybka 3 ... then realized he was ready when he started beating Rybka 3 .... 10 0 repeatedly. I had done a lot of beta testing for Rybka 3 and to me that was just hilariously ridiculous. But apparently for a lot of people they didn't think it was ridiculous! I mean if you play a game Call of Duty enough hours you can get pretty good at it ... right?? But chess doesn't work that way. Humans think in "plans" not individual moves ... and while a human can look at an engine game and later see a "plan" ... a human cannot see the small minute tactical pitfalls that are very obvious to engines. Sure if you are a sophisticated cheater like Hans seems to be, you can mix and obfuscate ... but there will always be a signature in the database of games you play that will be abnormal. I think this signature is quite clear already ... and most likely more will come. Is it enough to ban Hans from participating in tournaments ... I think so ... but many don't and I can see their point. The thing is that with chess ... if someone finds a way to cheat and not get caught then chess is over as a competitive sport. I mean you can give steroids or other enhancement drugs to an athlete and he will perform slightly better maybe 5% or 10% better than his non cheating competitors. But if anyone of us here would take steroids and try and beat Husain Bolt in 100m sprint ... I doubt it would be successful. However with chess ... anyone ... and I mean anyone ... with just a little training on how to cheat ... he could beat Magnus Carlsen repeatedly. With the inclusion of NNUE in the latest engines ... the gap between humans and engines is now around 1000 ELO points. That is why in Chess we have a huge problem and we have to have zero tolerance or baby handling of cheaters.
Ivanov simply did not agree that people search him.
This is the reason Ivanov could not continue to play in chess tournaments.
It did not happen with hans so hans is allowed to compete.
I do not believe anyone can cheat OTB and beat Carlsen repeatedly
If a weak player start to get good results and cannot talk about the games then people are going to suspect and prevent him to continue to win by cheating.
I think he quit chess because no GM would accept to play if he played ... including many who are from his country! He was disqualified from the tournament because he wouldn't take his shoes off but his reasoning was that it was because his feet smelled bad and that this was not something that they were doing to all the other players (which I would think is valid if true).
As for suspecting people is enough to prevent a weak player from cheating ... with current FIDE rules you can't do that. Suspecting is not enough and you need (according to FIDE) a 99.998% certainty that there was cheating. .002% is a very small margin and unless you catch the person with a device red handed. According to present rules it is impossible to prevent him from joining tournaments and he can continue as if nothing happened.
CornfedForever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm
To butt in a sec. On what you say alone about OTB....then why aren't we talking about and their being 'shunned by Magnus OTB players like Naiditch and Maghsoodloo (there are others...)? No, this is squarely because of Magnus' actions against 1 person that threads like this all over the internet exist. Magnus even played OTB against Maghsoodloo just a few days ago. Fair question, yes?
Either Magnus has no reason to think, that this guys are also cheating OTB or he wants to handle this things differently in the future.
Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:01 pm
4. They were forced to target Niemann publicly because MC picked him.
There was a reason Magnus picked him. Magnus and other GM's are just convinced, that Niemann cheats OTB. It was topic in the GM circle before, and Magnus chose to escalate this after the game where Niemann beat him without focusing on the game.
Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:01 pmWe will however be providing you with your full compensation of $5,000.00 US dollars for the qualified spot in the CGC. You can claim your prize here https://go.chess.com/invoice at your earliest convenience.
This is quite shocking... There seems to be a huge problem to fight against cheaters... Chess is dead I guess...
CornfedForever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm
To butt in a sec. On what you say alone about OTB....then why aren't we talking about and their being 'shunned by Magnus OTB players like Naiditch and Maghsoodloo (there are others...)? No, this is squarely because of Magnus' actions against 1 person that threads like this all over the internet exist. Magnus even played OTB against Maghsoodloo just a few days ago. Fair question, yes?
Either Magnus has no reason to think, that this guys are also cheating OTB or he wants to handle this things differently in the future.
Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:01 pm
4. They were forced to target Niemann publicly because MC picked him.
There was a reason Magnus picked him. Magnus and other GM's are just convinced, that Niemann cheats OTB. It was topic in the GM circle before, and Magnus chose to escalate this after the game where Niemann beat him without focusing on the game.
Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:01 pmWe will however be providing you with your full compensation of $5,000.00 US dollars for the qualified spot in the CGC. You can claim your prize here https://go.chess.com/invoice at your earliest convenience.
This is quite shocking... There seems to be a huge problem to fight against cheaters... Chess is dead I guess...
Is this what you call cheating by losing to a lower rated player rated about 40 rating lower than him, therefore, GM Hans only cheat when he play versus Magnus Carlsen or he just happened to play better than Carlsen in that particular game ?
[pgn][Event "USA Championship 2022"]
[White "Swiercz,Dariusz"]
[Black "Niemann,Hans Moke"]
[Site "Saint Louis"]
[Round "7.2"]
[Annotator ""]
[Result "1-0"]
[Date "2022.10.12"]
[WhiteElo "2652"]
[BlackElo "2699"]
[PlyCount "55"]
Is this what you call cheating by losing to a lower rated player rated about 40 rating lower than him, therefore, GM Hans only cheat when he play versus Magnus Carlsen or he just happened to play better than Carlsen in that particular game ? Here is the analysis and interview
M ANSARI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:35 am
OK John Doe ... I mean John Smith ... I mean Brian Smith.
M - Is it...Mark Ansari? Mathew Ansari....Mary Ansari?
Don’t bother. Its confirmed, he’s a troll.
Dude...YOU are the one who started asking about names, saying I was hiding behind a user name...someone pointed out my name was there to be seen...then making fun of it. Yours...I just see M. I don't know what it stands for and asked.
Anyway, since you clearly can't converse as you continue to resort to 'BS' like this...just don't address me, okay (?) and I won't address you. This is...beyond ridiculous. Of course, half of what I see on this thread is. Too often things degenerate to some weird interpersonal squabble...well, anywhere on the internet really; so 'here' is no exception. Adieu.
Check who you are responding to. I’ve never said anything about user names or real names on this forum. Also, I was not calling you a troll.
Yes, so sorry...nasty nested quotes in the thread - I grabbed the quote at the wrong point. Of course... The comments were meant for M. ANSARI.
Now now Mr. Cornfed ... your feathers getting ruffled? Try and read properly before going Picasso on us. You are quite new here and I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from participating in the forum. But once you start calling people clowns and start ridiculing people that don't have the same point of view that you have then you pretty much will get something back. My advice to you is keep any debate civil and avoid making it personal. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and your opinion is not the only one that matters. You mentioned earlier that you are 2600 or more on Chess.com and that someone was caught cheating against you ... somehow that didn't seem to bother you that much. I know when someone cheats against me online I feel like I want to tear them a new ahole. Would you be kind enough to share that game with us ... it would be interesting to check that game and see what triggered the cheat detection form Chess.com.
As for Hans Nieman and the cheating scandal ... you guys can search back to another very similar thread that had a lot of heated back and forth with regards to Ivanov. With Ivanov it was the same ... no physical proof and the person was never caught red handed. The guy even had CT scan and full body Xray with medical report. All allegations were based on the fact that he was just playing too good and error free and had many computer move matches.Unlike Hand, Ivanov had never been caught cheating and he did not have a coach that had been caught cheating ... so zero history of prior cheating. For me what made it ridiculously clear that he was cheating was he said that he kept playing thousands of games against Rybka 3 ... then realized he was ready when he started beating Rybka 3 .... 10 0 repeatedly. I had done a lot of beta testing for Rybka 3 and to me that was just hilariously ridiculous. But apparently for a lot of people they didn't think it was ridiculous! I mean if you play a game Call of Duty enough hours you can get pretty good at it ... right?? But chess doesn't work that way. Humans think in "plans" not individual moves ... and while a human can look at an engine game and later see a "plan" ... a human cannot see the small minute tactical pitfalls that are very obvious to engines. Sure if you are a sophisticated cheater like Hans seems to be, you can mix and obfuscate ... but there will always be a signature in the database of games you play that will be abnormal. I think this signature is quite clear already ... and most likely more will come. Is it enough to ban Hans from participating in tournaments ... I think so ... but many don't and I can see their point. The thing is that with chess ... if someone finds a way to cheat and not get caught then chess is over as a competitive sport. I mean you can give steroids or other enhancement drugs to an athlete and he will perform slightly better maybe 5% or 10% better than his non cheating competitors. But if anyone of us here would take steroids and try and beat Husain Bolt in 100m sprint ... I doubt it would be successful. However with chess ... anyone ... and I mean anyone ... with just a little training on how to cheat ... he could beat Magnus Carlsen repeatedly. With the inclusion of NNUE in the latest engines ... the gap between humans and engines is now around 1000 ELO points. That is why in Chess we have a huge problem and we have to have zero tolerance or baby handling of cheaters.
Ivanov simply did not agree that people search him.
This is the reason Ivanov could not continue to play in chess tournaments.
It did not happen with hans so hans is allowed to compete.
I do not believe anyone can cheat OTB and beat Carlsen repeatedly
If a weak player start to get good results and cannot talk about the games then people are going to suspect and prevent him to continue to win by cheating.
I think he quit chess because no GM would accept to play if he played ... including many who are from his country! He was disqualified from the tournament because he wouldn't take his shoes off but his reasoning was that it was because his feet smelled bad and that this was not something that they were doing to all the other players (which I would think is valid if true).
As for suspecting people is enough to prevent a weak player from cheating ... with current FIDE rules you can't do that. Suspecting is not enough and you need (according to FIDE) a 99.998% certainty that there was cheating. .002% is a very small margin and unless you catch the person with a device red handed. According to present rules it is impossible to prevent him from joining tournaments and he can continue as if nothing happened.
Of course suspecting is not enough but what I meant is that suspecting may lead to proof of catching the device or that the player does not allow other to search him.
In both cases the player is not allowed to continue to play chess.
In the case of Ivanov he chose the option of not allowing other to search him.
I know that the opponent of Ivanov accepted to do everything that they asked Ivanov to do including taking off his shoes.
. To be honest I never even knew that such a thing existed on this forum 