Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

I really enjoyed playing this game where I set up a pawn blockage or barricade which caused Komodo to use a lot of time and later made unsound moves like 25. Rc5? was a mistake by Komodo instead of just retrieving the Rook back the b2, and 41.g3? which allowed my Queen to penetrate into the King side and that is all she wrote. But again Komodo with my position blocked was consuming way too much time, whereas, I was just simply improving my position little by little waiting to set the trap to catch that Huge Komodo Dragon into my NET. Well I found out that a Knight plus pawn odds is too much to give on a slow system like my computer even with two extra tempi one for each piece given away by Komodo. Good Luck Larry and hope that you can make some significant improvements with Komodo to find a way to draw a few games Vs GM Lenderman. Too bad that you can NOT still ask GM Lenderman if he allows to remove one of his pawn when playing Chess960 Knight odds, or a tempi plus a knight odds for the 4 Chess960 games :roll:


Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.
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I used contempt 150, Threads 4,King Safety 94, and White contempt was clicked, and MCTS. That is strange because I was trying to replicate move 9 and now it is playing

Those settings should be okay, assuming that your computer actually supports four threads. If you don't know, google the model number or post it here. If it has two cores plus hyperthreading (which is likely), then four threads is technically ok, but perhaps the GUI and other things you have running on it are overtaxing it, in which case reducing to three Threads might solve the problem. It is possible there is nothing wrong, since when you use more than one thread you won't always get the same move again in the same time. If you had depth information it would be obvious whether something is wrong. Note that "White Contempt" is really intended for analysis, but as long as Komodo is playing White it won't affect anything whether it is checked or not. If you played games where Komodo was Black and you had that box checked, those games were not valid (unless you put a negative sign before the Contempt value!).
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Last week I found out how many core my system has is by holding the Ctrl + Shift + Esc and then I clicked on the Performance it told me 4 cores, Base speed 3.3 GHz, Socket 1, Cores =4, Logical Processors =4. .


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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.
[/quote]

I used contempt 150, Threads 4,King Safety 94, and White contempt was clicked, and MCTS. That is strange because I was trying to re[licate move 9 and now it is playing 9.Qe3 instead of Qf4? and and did it a 2nd time and it played 9.a4. I really do not know what to tell you but on those two moves i noticed that Komodo took a long time to make them when I played the game. :roll:

Those settings should be okay, assuming that your computer actually supports four threads. If you don't know, google the model number or post it here. If it has two cores plus hyperthreading (which is likely), then four threads is technically ok, but perhaps the GUI and other things you have running on it are overtaxing it, in which case reducing to three Threads might solve the problem. It is possible there is nothing wrong, since when you use more than one thread you won't always get the same move again in the same time. If you had depth information it would be obvious whether something is wrong. Note that "White Contempt" is really intended for analysis, but as long as Komodo is playing White it won't affect anything whether it is checked or not. If you played games where Komodo was Black and you had that box checked, those games were not valid (unless you put a negative sign before the Contempt value!).
[/quote]

Tomorrow I will replay the game after this move 8 Qxd2 g6

Well Komodo is too strong for me. There might be other players close to 1950 who would like to take the challenge with this position, Like Uri or somebody else; I wonder if it was better after 12. O-O to simply move the extra Knight to 10....Nd8! and use it as a defender to the King later on. But you can NOT say that I did not gave it all, Komodo xx.x will do just great against GM Lenderman with 32 cores except for those positions with just the Knight odds regardless if it is Chess960 or not, in reality it only take the GM an extra three moves to castle, but again with the extra piece he might NOT need to castle at all, it could be used as an extra defender to the King and a GM knows exactly when to trade the extra piece even for two pawns at the right moment. :roll: :mrgreen:

PS: Wait a minute I just realize that I did great against this Beast even if it was a Knight + plus removed and an extra tempi. I feel that I gain a lot of knowledges playing against Komodo, my trainer online told me after I showed him this game that he might start using Komodo to set up different positions against all his students online and see how they approach those positions , and after the game he will give some advices and tips to his students of how to win when material ahead. Oh well I guess this only apply to human Versus human when the best player is 700 to 1000 rating point higher, but against computer that do NOT blunder it is a real challenge. :oops:

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qe3 h5 10. h3 Bh6 11. f4 Nc6 12. O-O b6 13. e6 h4 14. exf7+ Kxf7 15. Kh1
b5 16. Qf3 e6 17. f5 gxf5 18. Bxf5 Ke7 19. Rae1 Bd2 20. Nf4 Bxe1 21. Rxe1 Nxd4
22. Qxd5 Qxc3 23. Qc5+ Kf7 24. Qc7+ Kg8 25. Qd8+ Kf7 26. Bg6+ Kg7 27. Qe7+ Kh6
28. Rf1 Nf5 29. Bxf5 exf5 30. Rd1 Rd8 31. Qxd8 Be6 32. Qxh4+ Kg7 33. Nxe6+ Kg8
34. Rd7 Qa1+ 35. Kh2 Qe5+ 36. Kg1 Qa1+ 37. Kf2 Qb2+ 38. Kf3 1-0[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 8:30 pm Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.
I used contempt 150, Threads 4,King Safety 94, and White contempt was clicked, and MCTS. That is strange because I was trying to re[licate move 9 and now it is playing 9.Qe3 instead of Qf4? and and did it a 2nd time and it played 9.a4. I really do not know what to tell you but on those two moves i noticed that Komodo took a long time to make them when I played the game. :roll:

Those settings should be okay, assuming that your computer actually supports four threads. If you don't know, google the model number or post it here. If it has two cores plus hyperthreading (which is likely), then four threads is technically ok, but perhaps the GUI and other things you have running on it are overtaxing it, in which case reducing to three Threads might solve the problem. It is possible there is nothing wrong, since when you use more than one thread you won't always get the same move again in the same time. If you had depth information it would be obvious whether something is wrong. Note that "White Contempt" is really intended for analysis, but as long as Komodo is playing White it won't affect anything whether it is checked or not. If you played games where Komodo was Black and you had that box checked, those games were not valid (unless you put a negative sign before the Contempt value!).
[/quote]

Tomorrow I will replay the game after this move 8 Qxd2 g6

Well Komodo is too strong for me. There might be other players close to 1950 who would like to take the challenge with this position, Like Uri or somebody else; I wonder if it was better after 12. O-O to simply move the extra Knight to 10....Nd8! and use it as a defender to the King later on. But you can NOT say that I did not gave it all, Komodo xx.x will do just great against GM Lenderman with 32 cores except for those positions with just the Knight odds regardless if it is Chess960 or not, in reality it only take the GM an extra three moves to castle, but again with the extra piece he might NOT need to castle at all, it could be used as an extra defender to the King and a GM knows exactly when to trade the extra piece even for two pawns at the right moment. :roll: :mrgreen:

PS: Wait a minute I just realize that I did great against this Beast even if it was a Knight + plus removed and an extra tempi. I feel that I gain a lot of knowledges playing against Komodo, my trainer online told me after I showed him this game that he might start using Komodo to set up different positions against all his students online and see how they approach those positions , and after the game he will give some advices and tips to his students of how to win when material ahead. Oh well I guess this only apply to human Versus human when the best player is 700 to 1000 rating point higher, but against computer that do NOT blunder it is a real challenge. :oops:

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qe3 h5 10. h3 Bh6 11. f4 Nc6 12. O-O b6 13. e6 h4 14. exf7+ Kxf7 15. Kh1
b5 16. Qf3 e6 17. f5 gxf5 18. Bxf5 Ke7 19. Rae1 Bd2 20. Nf4 Bxe1 21. Rxe1 Nxd4
22. Qxd5 Qxc3 23. Qc5+ Kf7 24. Qc7+ Kg8 25. Qd8+ Kf7 26. Bg6+ Kg7 27. Qe7+ Kh6
28. Rf1 Nf5 29. Bxf5 exf5 30. Rd1 Rd8 31. Qxd8 Be6 32. Qxh4+ Kg7 33. Nxe6+ Kg8
34. Rd7 Qa1+ 35. Kh2 Qe5+ 36. Kg1 Qa1+ 37. Kf2 Qb2+ 38. Kf3 1-0
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Now that you have apparently found settings that allow Komodo to play properly on your system, perhaps you could retry rook (a1) for pawn (b8) with the same settings as in the above game, which in theory should be a slightly smaller handicap than this one. If you still win convincingly, we need to figure out why. I pretty much agree with your comments about the Lenderman match; I am doing very poorly at the knight for pawn handicaps, but did okay with the knight for castling and some FRC positions at knight odds. Castling rights should be worth nearly a pawn, but somehow it doesn't work out that way for me.[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 8:30 pm Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.
I used contempt 150, Threads 4,King Safety 94, and White contempt was clicked, and MCTS. That is strange because I was trying to re[licate move 9 and now it is playing 9.Qe3 instead of Qf4? and and did it a 2nd time and it played 9.a4. I really do not know what to tell you but on those two moves i noticed that Komodo took a long time to make them when I played the game. :roll:

Those settings should be okay, assuming that your computer actually supports four threads. If you don't know, google the model number or post it here. If it has two cores plus hyperthreading (which is likely), then four threads is technically ok, but perhaps the GUI and other things you have running on it are overtaxing it, in which case reducing to three Threads might solve the problem. It is possible there is nothing wrong, since when you use more than one thread you won't always get the same move again in the same time. If you had depth information it would be obvious whether something is wrong. Note that "White Contempt" is really intended for analysis, but as long as Komodo is playing White it won't affect anything whether it is checked or not. If you played games where Komodo was Black and you had that box checked, those games were not valid (unless you put a negative sign before the Contempt value!).
[/quote]

Tomorrow I will replay the game after this move 8 Qxd2 g6

Well Komodo is too strong for me. There might be other players close to 1950 who would like to take the challenge with this position, Like Uri or somebody else; I wonder if it was better after 12. O-O to simply move the extra Knight to 10....Nd8! and use it as a defender to the King later on. But you can NOT say that I did not gave it all, Komodo xx.x will do just great against GM Lenderman with 32 cores except for those positions with just the Knight odds regardless if it is Chess960 or not, in reality it only take the GM an extra three moves to castle, but again with the extra piece he might NOT need to castle at all, it could be used as an extra defender to the King and a GM knows exactly when to trade the extra piece even for two pawns at the right moment. :roll: :mrgreen:

PS: Wait a minute I just realize that I did great against this Beast even if it was a Knight + plus removed and an extra tempi. I feel that I gain a lot of knowledges playing against Komodo, my trainer online told me after I showed him this game that he might start using Komodo to set up different positions against all his students online and see how they approach those positions , and after the game he will give some advices and tips to his students of how to win when material ahead. Oh well I guess this only apply to human Versus human when the best player is 700 to 1000 rating point higher, but against computer that do NOT blunder it is a real challenge. :oops:

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qe3 h5 10. h3 Bh6 11. f4 Nc6 12. O-O b6 13. e6 h4 14. exf7+ Kxf7 15. Kh1
b5 16. Qf3 e6 17. f5 gxf5 18. Bxf5 Ke7 19. Rae1 Bd2 20. Nf4 Bxe1 21. Rxe1 Nxd4
22. Qxd5 Qxc3 23. Qc5+ Kf7 24. Qc7+ Kg8 25. Qd8+ Kf7 26. Bg6+ Kg7 27. Qe7+ Kh6
28. Rf1 Nf5 29. Bxf5 exf5 30. Rd1 Rd8 31. Qxd8 Be6 32. Qxh4+ Kg7 33. Nxe6+ Kg8
34. Rd7 Qa1+ 35. Kh2 Qe5+ 36. Kg1 Qa1+ 37. Kf2 Qb2+ 38. Kf3 1-0
[/quote]

Now that you have apparently found settings that allow Komodo to play properly on your system, perhaps you could retry rook (a1) for pawn (b8) with the same settings as in the above game, which in theory should be a slightly smaller handicap than this one. If you still win convincingly, we need to figure out why. I pretty much agree with your comments about the Lenderman match; I am doing very poorly at the knight for pawn handicaps, but did okay with the knight for castling and some FRC positions at knight odds. Castling rights should be worth nearly a pawn, but somehow it doesn't work out that way for me.[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

Tomorrow I will replay the game after this move 8 Qxd2 g6
Well Komodo is too strong for me. There might be other players close to 1950 who would like to take the challenge with this position, Like Uri or somebody else; I wonder if it was better after 12. O-O to simply move the extra Knight to 10....Nd8! and use it as a defender to the King later on. But you can NOT say that I did not gave it all, Komodo xx.x will do just great against GM Lenderman with 32 cores except for those positions with just the Knight odds regardless if it is Chess960 or not, in reality it only take the GM an extra three moves to castle, but again with the extra piece he might NOT need to castle at all, it could be used as an extra defender to the King and a GM knows exactly when to trade the extra piece even for two pawns at the right moment. :roll: :mrgreen:

PS: Wait a minute I just realize that I did great against this Beast even if it was a Knight + plus removed and an extra tempi. I feel that I gain a lot of knowledges playing against Komodo, my trainer online told me after I showed him this game that he might start using Komodo to set up different positions against all his students online and see how they approach those positions , and after the game he will give some advices and tips to his students of how to win when material ahead. Oh well I guess this only apply to human Versus human when the best player is 700 to 1000 rating point higher, but against computer that do NOT blunder it is a real challenge. :oops:
[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qe3 h5 10. h3 Bh6 11. f4 Nc6 12. O-O b6 13. e6 h4 14. exf7+ Kxf7 15. Kh1
b5 16. Qf3 e6 17. f5 gxf5 18. Bxf5 Ke7 19. Rae1 Bd2 20. Nf4 Bxe1 21. Rxe1 Nxd4
22. Qxd5 Qxc3 23. Qc5+ Kf7 24. Qc7+ Kg8 25. Qd8+ Kf7 26. Bg6+ Kg7 27. Qe7+ Kh6
28. Rf1 Nf5 29. Bxf5 exf5 30. Rd1 Rd8 31. Qxd8 Be6 32. Qxh4+ Kg7 33. Nxe6+ Kg8
34. Rd7 Qa1+ 35. Kh2 Qe5+ 36. Kg1 Qa1+ 37. Kf2 Qb2+ 38. Kf3 1-0
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Now that you have apparently found settings that allow Komodo to play properly on your system, perhaps you could retry rook (a1) for pawn (b8) with the same settings as in the above game, which in theory should be a slightly smaller handicap than this one. If you still win convincingly, we need to figure out why. I pretty much agree with your comments about the Lenderman match; I am doing very poorly at the knight for pawn handicaps, but did okay with the knight for castling and some FRC positions at knight odds. Castling rights should be worth nearly a pawn, but somehow it doesn't work out that way for me.
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I will let other players here to try it, from now on I will be an observer :roll: :mrgreen:[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

Now that you have apparently found settings that allow Komodo to play properly on your system, perhaps you could retry rook (a1) for pawn (b8) with the same settings as in the above game, which in theory should be a slightly smaller handicap than this one. If you still win convincingly, we need to figure out why. I pretty much agree with your comments about the Lenderman match; I am doing very poorly at the knight for pawn handicaps, but did okay with the knight for castling and some FRC positions at knight odds. Castling rights should be worth nearly a pawn, but somehow it doesn't work out that way for me.
[/quote]

I will let other players here to try it, from now on I will be an observer :roll: :mrgreen:
[/quote]

Well I decided to play a game in 25 minutes with Knight odds plus the b2 pawn removed, with no tempi to Komodo, and the game was very long but I lost in time . I offered a draw to Komodo on move 46, and it answered me " Not on your life, Buster!" after a few more moves i offered another draw and it answered me "If you do that again.:roll:
[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:25'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.09"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/P1PPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "68"]
[TimeControl "1500"]



1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Rb1 Qa5 5. Be2 Qxa2 6. Rb2 Qa4 7. O-O a6 8. Rb3
e6 9. Ra3 Qf4 10. d4 Qf5 11. Ra4 cxd4 12. Re1 Bc5 13. Bd3 Qh5 14. Be2 d3 15.
cxd3 Nh6 16. Ng5 Qg6 17. Nh3 Bb4 18. Bh5 Qxh5 19. Qxh5 Bxe1 20. Bxh6 gxh6 21.
Qxh6 Bc3 22. Ng5 Bxe5 23. d4 Bf4 24. Qf6 Bxg5 25. Qxh8+ Ke7 26. Qxh7 b5 27. Ra3
Nxd4 28. Rd3 Bf6 29. g4 e5 30. Rxd4 exd4 31. g5 Bxg5 32. Qh5 Be6 33. Qxg5+ f6
34. Qh4 Rc8 35. Qxd4 Rc6 36. Qa7+ Kd6 37. h4 Bf5 38. Qd4 Ke6 39. Qe3+ Kf7 40.
h5 d4 41. Qxd4 Ke6 42. h6 Rd6 43. Qe3+ Kf7 44. Qg3 Rd7 45. Qg7+ Ke6 46. Qg8+
Rf7 47. Kh2 Ke7 48. Kg3 Rh7 49. Qd5 Bg6 50. Qb7+ Kd8 51. Qxa6 Ke7 52. Qa7+ Kf8
53. Qd4 Ke7 54. Qb6 Kf7 55. Qb7+ Kf8 56. Qf3 Kf7 57. Qb3+ Ke7 58. Qc3 Kf7 59.
Qc7+ Ke6 60. Qc6+ Ke7 61. Qh1 Ke6 62. Qa8 Ke7 63. Qg8 Bc2 64. Qg4 Kf7 65. Qh5+
Bg6 66. Qh3 Ke7 67. Kg4 Kf8 68. Qh1 Ke7 69. f4 Kf8 70. Qc6 Ke7 71. f5 Bf7 72.
Qxb5 Kd8 73. Qc5 Kd7 74. Qb6 Ke7 75. Qd4 Ke8 76. Qc3 Ke7 77. Qc7+ Ke8 78. Qc6+
Ke7 *[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

I was wondering how many top GM can save this game from position 46 against Komodo or any top Engine in Long time control, Probably the correspondence champion 49-year old engineer Leonardo Ljubicic can hold a draw, 20 years ago I played 10 correspondence chess games and reached 2275, but NOW I am receiving online training for the last 8 months, and have much much more chess knowledge, I should play a couple of more correspondence chess games, trust me it is so hard to make good solid moves in such a short time control like this one against Komodo 13.3. A few more moves after this position, I offered another draw and it answered me "If you do that again" I 'll announce a mate so long that you will not believe" of course that made me think probably komodo see mate in over 80 moves from now :roll:
[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:25'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.09"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/P1PPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "68"]
[TimeControl "1500"]



1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Rb1 Qa5 5. Be2 Qxa2 6. Rb2 Qa4 7. O-O a6 8. Rb3
e6 9. Ra3 Qf4 10. d4 Qf5 11. Ra4 cxd4 12. Re1 Bc5 13. Bd3 Qh5 14. Be2 d3 15.
cxd3 Nh6 16. Ng5 Qg6 17. Nh3 Bb4 18. Bh5 Qxh5 19. Qxh5 Bxe1 20. Bxh6 gxh6 21.
Qxh6 Bc3 22. Ng5 Bxe5 23. d4 Bf4 24. Qf6 Bxg5 25. Qxh8+ Ke7 26. Qxh7 b5 27. Ra3
Nxd4 28. Rd3 Bf6 29. g4 e5 30. Rxd4 exd4 31. g5 Bxg5 32. Qh5 Be6 33. Qxg5+ f6
34. Qh4 Rc8 35. Qxd4 Rc6 36. Qa7+ Kd6 37. h4 Bf5 38. Qd4 Ke6 39. Qe3+ Kf7 40.
h5 d4 41. Qxd4 Ke6 42. h6 Rd6 43. Qe3+ Kf7 44. Qg3 Rd7 45. Qg7+ Ke6 46. Qg8+
Rf7[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 9:53 am Now that you have apparently found settings that allow Komodo to play properly on your system, perhaps you could retry rook (a1) for pawn (b8) with the same settings as in the above game, which in theory should be a slightly smaller handicap than this one. If you still win convincingly, we need to figure out why. I pretty much agree with your comments about the Lenderman match; I am doing very poorly at the knight for pawn handicaps, but did okay with the knight for castling and some FRC positions at knight odds. Castling rights should be worth nearly a pawn, but somehow it doesn't work out that way for me.
I will let other players here to try it, from now on I will be an observer :roll: :mrgreen:
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Well I decided to play a game in 25 minutes with Knight odds plus the b2 pawn removed, with no tempi to Komodo, and the game was very long but I lost in time . I offered a draw to Komodo on move 46, and it answered me " Not on your life, Buster!" after a few more moves i offered another draw and it answered me "If you do that again.:roll:
[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:25'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.09"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/P1PPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "68"]
[TimeControl "1500"]



1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Rb1 Qa5 5. Be2 Qxa2 6. Rb2 Qa4 7. O-O a6 8. Rb3
e6 9. Ra3 Qf4 10. d4 Qf5 11. Ra4 cxd4 12. Re1 Bc5 13. Bd3 Qh5 14. Be2 d3 15.
cxd3 Nh6 16. Ng5 Qg6 17. Nh3 Bb4 18. Bh5 Qxh5 19. Qxh5 Bxe1 20. Bxh6 gxh6 21.
Qxh6 Bc3 22. Ng5 Bxe5 23. d4 Bf4 24. Qf6 Bxg5 25. Qxh8+ Ke7 26. Qxh7 b5 27. Ra3
Nxd4 28. Rd3 Bf6 29. g4 e5 30. Rxd4 exd4 31. g5 Bxg5 32. Qh5 Be6 33. Qxg5+ f6
34. Qh4 Rc8 35. Qxd4 Rc6 36. Qa7+ Kd6 37. h4 Bf5 38. Qd4 Ke6 39. Qe3+ Kf7 40.
h5 d4 41. Qxd4 Ke6 42. h6 Rd6 43. Qe3+ Kf7 44. Qg3 Rd7 45. Qg7+ Ke6 46. Qg8+
Rf7 47. Kh2 Ke7 48. Kg3 Rh7 49. Qd5 Bg6 50. Qb7+ Kd8 51. Qxa6 Ke7 52. Qa7+ Kf8
53. Qd4 Ke7 54. Qb6 Kf7 55. Qb7+ Kf8 56. Qf3 Kf7 57. Qb3+ Ke7 58. Qc3 Kf7 59.
Qc7+ Ke6 60. Qc6+ Ke7 61. Qh1 Ke6 62. Qa8 Ke7 63. Qg8 Bc2 64. Qg4 Kf7 65. Qh5+
Bg6 66. Qh3 Ke7 67. Kg4 Kf8 68. Qh1 Ke7 69. f4 Kf8 70. Qc6 Ke7 71. f5 Bf7 72.
Qxb5 Kd8 73. Qc5 Kd7 74. Qb6 Ke7 75. Qd4 Ke8 76. Qc3 Ke7 77. Qc7+ Ke8 78. Qc6+
Ke7 *
[/quote]

You should always play with an increment, like 15' + 10" rather than 25' with no increment, so that you won't lose on time, you'll always be able to finish the game properly. You'll have the same total time for sixty moves that way. Since the engine won't agree to draws to be nice or to save time, you need increment to finish a game. We would never play a top player without increment; if we win on time, it has no meaning, since engine can play instantly for ever. Anyway it looks like knight plus pawn is fair for you in rapid vs. your computer. You should recheck nodes per second. If you got about 1.5 M on one thread, and have four physical cores, you should get at least 5M on four threads, but you reported 2m. If it's still 2m, maybe try 3 threads.[/pgn]
Komodo rules!
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Re: Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

Post by Chessqueen »

Now that you have apparently found settings that allow Komodo to play properly on your system, perhaps you could retry rook (a1) for pawn (b8) with the same settings as in the above game, which in theory should be a slightly smaller handicap than this one. If you still win convincingly, we need to figure out why. I pretty much agree with your comments about the Lenderman match; I am doing very poorly at the knight for pawn handicaps, but did okay with the knight for castling and some FRC positions at knight odds. Castling rights should be worth nearly a pawn, but somehow it doesn't work out that way for me.
[/quote]

I will let other players here to try it, from now on I will be an observer :roll: :mrgreen:
[/quote]

Well I decided to play a game in 25 minutes with Knight odds plus the b2 pawn removed, with no tempi to Komodo, and the game was very long but I lost in time . I offered a draw to Komodo on move 46, and it answered me " Not on your life, Buster!" after a few more moves i offered another draw and it answered me "If you do that again.:roll:
[pgn]


You should always play with an increment, like 15' + 10" rather than 25' with no increment, so that you won't lose on time, you'll always be able to finish the game properly. You'll have the same total time for sixty moves that way. Since the engine won't agree to draws to be nice or to save time, you need increment to finish a game. We would never play a top player without increment; if we win on time, it has no meaning, since engine can play instantly for ever. Anyway it looks like knight plus pawn is fair for you in rapid vs. your computer. You should recheck nodes per second. If you got about 1.5 M on one thread, and have four physical cores, you should get at least 5M on four threads, but you reported 2m. If it's still 2m, maybe try 3 threads.
[/quote]

I did some tests 4 Threads vs 3 and for some reason e Threads goes a little bit deeper in Depth since the Nodes is NOT displayed under MCTS. I know that a top female player like Hou Yifan will never accept odds from Komodo, but if she ever play odds privately or in public what would be the best odds that Komodo can give Hou Yifan rate FIDE 2656 at 15' +10" using your 32 Cores in your opinion ?[/pgn]