


ummmm.................... yepmy opinion, the price is too high.

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ummmm.................... yepmy opinion, the price is too high.
The last WCCCC was not a disaster, but it came out that the gap we had over the competition was gone. Shredder was the only program that won against Rykba. It is since 2004 that I am asking Stefan to improve the engine a lot and to spend the needed time on this to do it, but so far he did not spent time enough to work on the engine to make it possible.mclane wrote:the times when the dedicated chess computers dominated the scene were over when stefan BEGAN his career.
this was the time when H+G was able to sell dedicated units for 1000 or 2000 EURO.
those times have gone.
the market is small and fast. loyalty is something rare in the capitalistic world. thats true.
IMO the last participations of shredder at championships have been desastrous.
reading the tournament diary was a pain for shredder fans.
to see the BIG shredder beeing shreddered into pieces was something unknown so far.
but it had happened to others too (genius).
I am old enough to make only statemens of what I know.Purple Haze wrote:Shredder is dead. There is probably nothing SMK can do that will stop Rybka from remaining the best program in the world. Rybka will only get stronger and stronger. 1 hint you can tell SMK is to teach Shredder a better understanding of positional play and king side attacks.
Thank you.mclane wrote:i am sure you and stefan did a very good job sandro.
we all were surprised ourselved to see shredder beeing overtaken by other programs in the championships.
i could not have imagined it before.
but competition is IMO something good. from your comments i conclude that stefan has to do the living with a "normal" job and has not enough time for working on shredder.
this is completely understood sandro.
its the same with many other programmers. mark uniacke comes to my mind. they all have to finance their life with something else than computerchess.
as i said before, the times when computerchess financed your life was in the 80ties or 90ties or for some pioneers it was in the 70ties.
i wish you and the shredder team all the best for the next championship.
I am not sceptical.sandro Necchi wrote:Thank you.mclane wrote:i am sure you and stefan did a very good job sandro.
we all were surprised ourselved to see shredder beeing overtaken by other programs in the championships.
i could not have imagined it before.
but competition is IMO something good. from your comments i conclude that stefan has to do the living with a "normal" job and has not enough time for working on shredder.
this is completely understood sandro.
its the same with many other programmers. mark uniacke comes to my mind. they all have to finance their life with something else than computerchess.
as i said before, the times when computerchess financed your life was in the 80ties or 90ties or for some pioneers it was in the 70ties.
i wish you and the shredder team all the best for the next championship.
No, Stefan is full time dedicated to computer chess.
If you visit his web site you can see the many possible versions of Shredder available.
All of them together took a lot of work and time.
Some others programmers only work on the engine, so it is reasonable they make progress.
Stefan has time now to work on the engine, so people can expect to see progress on the strenght too.
Not many people would be satisfied only by a program 3500 Elo strong like me; most of them care about options more that strenght as the programs today are stronger already more than 99% of the people.
I personally believe the overall judgement of a program should include also the options it is offering and not only the strenght itself.