Glaurung 2 epsilon 5 doesn't use it's native opening book...

[Eelco de Groot]

Hello Pavel,

Is this the latest version of the Glaurung book from Salvo Spitaleri? Tord uploaded a new one yesterday I believe, because the first one was broken. I have not tried any of the opening books yet myself,

Regards
Eelco

[Rubinus]

Hello Pavel,

Is this the latest version of the Glaurung book from Salvo Spitaleri? Tord uploaded a new one yesterday I believe, because the first one was broken. I have not tried any of the opening books yet myself,

Regards
Eelco

Yes, latest (ca 3MB, previously cca 1MB).

[Tord Romstad]

Hello Pavel,

Is this the latest version of the Glaurung book from Salvo Spitaleri? Tord uploaded a new one yesterday I believe, because the first one was broken. I have not tried any of the opening books yet myself,

It appears that the new book is also broken, perhaps even more badly than the previous version: Glaurung is now out of book after 1. e4 c5. I've e-mailed Salvo about it, but didn't get any reply so far - perhaps he's on holiday, or is just too busy with other things to read and reply to mails at the moment (God knows I am slow at replying to e-mails myself sometimes).

Perhaps I should temporarily remove the book file from my site until I have a book I know works. Next time I should also do some basic tests with the book before I put it on my web site.

Tord

[Rubinus]

Hello Pavel,

Is this the latest version of the Glaurung book from Salvo Spitaleri? Tord uploaded a new one yesterday I believe, because the first one was broken. I have not tried any of the opening books yet myself,

It appears that the new book is also broken, perhaps even more badly than the previous version: Glaurung is now out of book after 1. e4 c5. I've e-mailed Salvo about it, but didn't get any reply so far - perhaps he's on holiday, or is just too busy with other things to read and reply to mails at the moment (God knows I am slow at replying to e-mails myself sometimes).

Perhaps I should temporarily remove the book file from my site until I have a book I know works. Next time I should also do some basic tests with the book before I put it on my web site.

Tord

Hi Tord.
Salvo use probably very high parameter min-score.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I was almost 100% sure that the opening book is somehow broken and not an Arena bug

[GS]

Hello Pavel,

Is this the latest version of the Glaurung book from Salvo Spitaleri? Tord uploaded a new one yesterday I believe, because the first one was broken. I have not tried any of the opening books yet myself,

It appears that the new book is also broken, perhaps even more badly than the previous version: Glaurung is now out of book after 1. e4 c5. I've e-mailed Salvo about it, but didn't get any reply so far - perhaps he's on holiday, or is just too busy with other things to read and reply to mails at the moment (God knows I am slow at replying to e-mails myself sometimes).

Perhaps I should temporarily remove the book file from my site until I have a book I know works. Next time I should also do some basic tests with the book before I put it on my web site. :wink:

Tord

Hi Tord,

...not only after 1. e4 c5 ;-) (even worse though it was in book
again and had the extremely weird h5 in)
Really a pity, I will let it play now with my own Polyglot book for
bookless programs, as long as you don't authorize a new book
again(hopefully better tested).


Regards,
Guenther

[Event "RWBC PSWBTM Class A 7th Edition Group A"]
[Site "ESPRESSO"]
[Date "2007.07.09"]
[Round "4.11"]
[White "Rybka_232a-32(SO+Slow)"]
[Black "Glaurung_2epsilon-5"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/900"]
[Annotator "5. +0.54 1... -0.25"]
[Number "93"]

1. e4 e6 {-0.25/15} 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 {-0.23/14} 4. e5 h5 5.
Nf3 {+0.54/13} Ne7 6. Be2 {+0.43/13} c5 {-0.68/14} 7. a3 {+0.41/14}
cxd4 {-0.54/15} 8. axb4 {+0.46/14} dxc3 {-0.54/15} 9. bxc3 {+0.49/14}
Qc7 {-0.62/14} 10. O-O {+0.52/14} Qxc3 {-0.58/14} 11. Bd2 {+0.53/13}
Qc7 {-0.58/14} 12. Bd3 {+0.53/12} h4 {-0.66/14} 13. h3 {+0.72/12}
Nd7 {-0.43/13} 14. Re1 {+0.72/13} Kf8 {-0.78/14} 15. Qe2 {+0.81/13}
Nb6 {-0.50/14} 16. Bg5 {+0.86/13} Nc4 {-0.41/14} 17. Bxh4 {+0.85/12}
Nb2 {-0.25/14} 18. Qe3 {+0.87/12} Nxd3 {-0.19/14} 19. cxd3 {+0.86/14}
Nf5 {-0.58/14} 20. Rec1 {+1.32/14} Qb8 {-0.80/15} 21. Qc5+ {+1.37/15}
Kg8 {-1.09/15} 22. Qb5 {+1.33/15} Kh7 {-1.27/14} 23. Bg5 {+1.40/15}
a6 {-1.23/14} 24. Qb6 {+1.51/15} Qa7 {-1.25/14} 25. Qxa7 {+1.53/16}
Rxa7 {-1.17/14} 26. g4 {+1.62/17} Nh6 {-1.43/17} 27. Rc7 {+1.69/17}
Ra8 {-1.49/16} 28. Rac1 {+1.75/16} Rf8 {-1.60/15} 29. Be3 {+1.76/16}
Rb8 {-1.49/15} 30. Kg2 {+1.79/15} Kg8 {-1.68/16} 31. Re7 {+2.12/16}
b6 {-2.25/15} 32. Nd4 {+2.25/14} a5 {-2.23/15} 33. b5 {+2.25/12}
a4 {-3.11/15} 34. Rcc7 {+2.85/17} Ra8 {-3.60/15} 35. Ra7 {+2.58/15}
Rxa7 {-3.88/17} 36. Rxa7 {+2.62/13} Kh7 {-3.88/16} 37. Nc6 {+3.85/16}
a3 {-4.17/16} 38. Bxb6 {+3.48/14} a2 {-4.27/15} 39. Rxa2 {+4.60/17}
Bd7 {-4.50/16} 40. Ra7 {+4.23/15} Bxc6 {-5.29/15} 41. bxc6 {+4.30/13}
Rc8 {-5.56/19} 42. Rc7 {+5.21/17} Rb8 {-7.17/20} 43. Rb7 {+4.62/15}
Rc8 {-6.41/22} 44. c7 {+5.12/16} Ng8 {-6.64/22} 45. Bc5 {+5.28/16}
Kg6 {-6.92/21} 46. Bd6 {+4.62/14} f5 {-7.29/20} 47. Rb8 {+7.07/19}
Ne7 {-7.33/16} 48. Kf3 {+7.07/17} fxg4+ {-8.07/19} 49. Kxg4 {+7.89/14}
Rxc7 {-10.78/22} 50. Bxc7 {+4.63/15} Nf5 {-11.86/21}
{Black resigns} 1-0

[Event "RWBC PSWBTM Class A 7th Edition Group A"]
[Site "ESPRESSO"]
[Date "2007.07.09"]
[Round "4.11"]
[White "Glaurung_2epsilon-5"]
[Black "Rybka_232a-32(SO+Slow)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/900"]
[Annotator "3. +0.27 5... +0.12"]
[Number "94"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 {+0.27/14} exd5 4. Nf3 {+0.27/13} Nf6 5. c4
Bb4+ {+0.12/12} 6. Bd2 {-0.17/14} Bxd2+ {+0.16/12} 7. Nbxd2 {-0.19/15}
Nc6 {+0.18/13} 8. Be2 {-0.17/14} O-O {+0.13/13} 9. O-O {-0.15/14}
dxc4 {+0.16/13} 10. Nxc4 {-0.09/15} Re8 {+0.10/14} 11. h3 {-0.35/14}
Bf5 {+0.16/12} 12. Rc1 {-0.39/14} Rc8 {+0.00/12} 13. Bd3 {-0.41/14}
Be4 {+0.01/13} 14. Bxe4 {+0.29/14} Nxe4 {+0.02/14} 15. Re1 {+0.19/14}
Qd5 {+0.00/13} 16. Nce5 {+0.29/14} Nd8 {-0.05/13} 17. Qc2 {+0.23/13}
f5 {-0.01/13} 18. Qa4 {+0.33/14} Ne6 {+0.17/12} 19. Nc4 {+0.11/13}
Nf4 {+0.16/12} 20. Ne3 {+0.27/13} Qe6 {+0.19/13} 21. Qb5 {+0.00/13}
a6 {+0.60/12} 22. Qxb7 {-0.70/13} Nd3 {+0.55/12} 23. Rc6 {-0.19/13}
Nd6 {+0.49/10} 24. Rxd6 {-0.35/14} cxd6 {+0.50/8} 25. Ng5 {-0.13/14}
Qg6 {+0.32/15} 26. Qb3+ {-0.37/13} d5 {+0.29/14} 27. Qxd3 {-0.21/14}
Qxg5 {+0.29/12} 28. Qxa6 {-0.19/14} f4 {+0.23/13} 29. Nf1 {+0.00/14}
f3 {+0.32/15} 30. g4 {+0.00/13} h6 {+0.31/15} 31. b4 {+0.05/12}
Rxe1 {+1.66/19} 32. Qxc8+ {-1.25/16} Kh7 {+1.55/18} 33. Qc3 {-1.49/16}
Qc1 {+1.72/15} 34. Qxc1 {-1.64/18} Rxc1 {+1.85/20} 35. b5 {-1.78/20}
Kg6 {+1.90/22} 36. b6 {-2.03/21} Rb1 {+2.08/21} 37. b7 {-2.11/20}
h5 {+2.22/20} 38. Kh2 {-2.15/19} Rxb7 {+2.35/19} 39. Ne3 {-2.60/19}
h4 {+2.35/17} 40. Nxd5 {-3.13/20} Rb2 {+3.34/19} 41. Kg1 {-3.76/22}
Rxa2 {+3.02/17} 42. Ne3 {-4.52/23} Ra1+ {+3.02/15} 43. Kh2 {-4.33/26}
Kf6 {+3.53/22} 44. Nd5+ {-5.00/23} Kf7 {+3.69/24} 45. Ne3 {-5.07/24}
g5 {+3.34/22} 46. d5 {-5.27/24} Kf6 {+3.34/20} 47. d6 {-5.58/25}
Ke6 {+4.64/22} 48. Nf5 {-6.29/25} Rf1 {+4.92/22} 49. Ne3 {-6.29/23}
Rxf2+ {+4.45/20} 50. Kg1 {-7.23/23} Rb2 {+5.14/21} 51. Nc4 {-7.47/22}
Rg2+ {+5.91/18} 52. Kf1 {-7.86/24} Re2 {+5.99/18} 53. Kg1 {-8.11/24}
Re4 {+6.27/17} 54. Nd2 {-14.49/23} Re1+ {+9.39/19} 55. Nf1 {-31.35/25}
{White resigns} 0-1

[Rubinus]

So far: glaurung-ph-book2.bin (try version Nr.2, monster 20MB pack/35 MB unpack, next smaller )

Blitz 4+2, book_glaurung5 2007, current test (use book other engines http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14936)

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Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Chess Tiger 2007.1             4.0 - 4.0    +4/-4/=0    50.00%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Junior 10.1                    4.5 - 3.5    +3/-2/=3    56.25%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Deep Sjeng 2.5                 3.5 - 4.5    +2/-3/=3    43.75%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Fritz 10                       5.0 - 3.0    +3/-1/=4    62.50%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Fruit 2.2.1                    3.5 - 4.5    +3/-4/=1    43.75%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Toga II 1.2.1a                 3.0 - 4.0    +1/-2/=4    42.86%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - HIARCS 11.1 UCI                2.5 - 4.5    +1/-3/=3    35.71%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Hiarcs X54 UCI                 3.0 - 4.0    +3/-4/=0    42.86%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Ktulu 8                        3.5 - 3.5    +2/-2/=3    50.00%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Loop 10.32f                    1.5 - 5.5    +1/-5/=1    21.43%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - LoopMP 12.32                   2.5 - 4.5    +2/-4/=1    35.71%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Naum 2.1                       3.5 - 3.5    +3/-3/=1    50.00%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit            2.0 - 5.0    +1/-4/=2    28.57%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Rybka 1.01 Beta 13d 32-bit     2.0 - 5.0    +1/-4/=2    28.57%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Shredder 10 Gambit             4.5 - 2.5    +4/-2/=1    64.29%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Shredder 10.1 UCI              2.5 - 4.5    +2/-4/=1    35.71%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Toga II 1.1a                   2.0 - 5.0    +1/-4/=2    28.57%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Spike 1.2 Turin                2.0 - 5.0    +1/-4/=2    28.57%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Zap!Chess Zanzibar             3.0 - 4.0    +1/-2/=4    42.86%
Glaurung 2-e5/32   - Toga II 1.3x4                  1.5 - 5.5    +0/-4/=3    21.43%

[Eelco de Groot]

Hello Pavel,

Is this the latest version of the Glaurung book from Salvo Spitaleri? Tord uploaded a new one yesterday I believe, because the first one was broken. I have not tried any of the opening books yet myself,

It appears that the new book is also broken, perhaps even more badly than the previous version: Glaurung is now out of book after 1. e4 c5. I've e-mailed Salvo about it, but didn't get any reply so far - perhaps he's on holiday, or is just too busy with other things to read and reply to mails at the moment (God knows I am slow at replying to e-mails myself sometimes).

Perhaps I should temporarily remove the book file from my site until I have a book I know works. Next time I should also do some basic tests with the book before I put it on my web site.

Tord

Or before you play another important tournament with it But bookmaking is an art and I am sure Salvo can make it better! You could see from Volker's Glaurung booktest in his forum how much a good book can contribute to Glaurung. Marc Lacrosse has made similar tests with other programs.

But writing a really good tournament book, or books, takes a lot of dedicated work, I would attribute just about half of Rybka's tournament successes to Jeroen Noomen's books that he has been perfecting for years, since the early Rebel Mephisto days with Ed Schröder, when there were no PCs yet, only the Tandy computers or the very first Apple computers with Sargon, and the tabletop chess-computers in tournaments had only very little memory to work with as programmer or opening book maker.
ROM or EPROM memory was a major costfactor, even more the RAM for which the programmers had to plead with their bosses, only the top programmer got a little more of it because the top computers were sold so expensive anyway.

But a good opening book, that is also never finished, so I hope it will not be the final book that Salvo is making, I don't think people will mind if it is not! I am curious what sort of openings he will choose for Glaurung!

Eelco