CM11 Champions v Ktulu's Lynch Mob (ChessGUI)

[Graham Banks]

CM11 CHAMPIONS v KTULU'S LYNCH MOB

Dual Athlon XP1800+
ChessGUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
HS-Large Remis book (limited to 12 moves)
40 moves in 75 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
Each engine will play 4 games against each engine in the opposing team.

CM11 Champions

9.5 - CM11 Leonidas
8.0 - CM11 Archangel
7.0 - CM11 Toxic
3.5 - CM11 Aiglos II


Ktulu's Lynch Mob

10.0 - Ktulu 8.0
9.5 - Movei 00.8.438 (10 10 10)
9.5 - Chess Tiger 2007.1
7.0 - Booot 4.14.0


28.0 - CM11 Champions
36.0 - Ktulu's Lynch Mob

The complete match pgn (zipped) can be downloaded here:
http://www.kirill-kryukov.com/chess/dis ... p?id=11150

[Matthias Gemuh]

CM11 CHAMPIONS v KTULU'S LYNCH MOB

Dual Athlon XP1800+
ChessGUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
HS-Large Remis book (limited to 12 moves)
40 moves in 75 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
Each engine will play 4 games against each engine in the opposing team.

CM11 Champions

9.5 - CM11 Leonidas
8.0 - CM11 Archangel
7.0 - CM11 Toxic
3.5 - CM11 Aiglos II


Ktulu's Lynch Mob

10.0 - Ktulu 8.0
9.5 - Movei 00.8.438 (10 10 10)
9.5 - Chess Tiger 2007.1
7.0 - Booot 4.14.0


28.0 - CM11 Champions
36.0 - Ktulu's Lynch Mob

Hi Graham,
HS-Large Remis book has some very long lines in them.
I did not reckon with someone creating a ChessGUI without using ChessGUI that truncates such very long lines.
I shall update to ChessGUI 0.104 to cope with such books created without using ChessGUI.
Are you using the Team Fight tournament type in this tournament ?
Best,
Matthias.

[Graham Banks]

Hi Graham,
HS-Large Remis book has some very long lines in them.
I did not reckon with someone creating a ChessGUI without using ChessGUI that truncates such very long lines.
I shall update to ChessGUI 0.104 to cope with such books created without using ChessGUI.
Are you using the Team Fight tournament type in this tournament ?
Best,
Matthias.

Hi Matthias,

Harry's book goes no further than 12 moves, so doesn't breach CCRL testing rules.
Yes - I'm using the team fight tournament.
I've started the rematch now.

Regards, Graham.

[Matthias Gemuh]

Harry's book goes no further than 12 moves, so doesn't breach CCRL testing rules.

Hi Graham,
some booklines are even longer than 360 plys :
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 Be7 6. Bxe7 Qxe7 7. dxc5 Qxc5 8. Nbd2 Nc6 9. Nb3 Qd6 10. g3 Nf6 11. Bg2 O-O 12. O-O Be6 13. Rc1 Rac8 14. Nbd4 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Qb4 16. Rxc8 Rxc8 17. b3 h6 18. e3 Bg4 19. Qe1 Qa3 20. f3 Bd7 21. Qe2 a5 22. Rb1 h5 23. Bf1 g6 24. Rb2 b6 25. Rc2 Rxc2 26. Qxc2 Qd6 27. Qc3 Qe5 28. Qe1 Ne8 29. Qd2 Ng7 30. f4 Qd6 31. Bg2 Ne6 32. Ne2 Nc7 33. h3 Qc5 34. Kh2 Bf5 35. Nd4 Be4 36. g4 hxg4 37. hxg4 Nb5 38. Nxb5 Qxb5 39. g5 Bxg2 40. Kxg2 Qc5 41. Kf3 Qb5 42. Kf2 Qc5 43. Ke2 Kf8 44. Qb2 Qb5 45. Kd2 Qb4 46. Kd1 Qe4 47. Qh8 Ke7 48. Qf6 Kf8 49. Qxb6 Qb1 50. Kd2 Qxa2 51. Ke1 Qa1 52. Ke2 Qb2 53. Kd3 Qb1 54. Kd4 Qe4 55. Kc3 Qh1 56. Kb2 Qd1 57. Qc5 Ke8 58. Qc3 Qe2 59. Kc1 Qb5 60. Kd2 Kd7 61. Ke1 Ke8 62. Kd2 Kd7 63. Qf6 Ke8 64. Qe5 Kd7 65. Qc3 Ke8 66. Kc2 Kd7 67. Qd4 Ke8 68. Qc3 Ke7 69. Qf6 Kf8 70. Qd8 Kg7 71. Qd6 Kg8 72. Qa3 Qb6 73. Kd3 Kg7 74. Qa1 Kg8 75. Qc3 Qa6 76. Kd4 a4 77. bxa4 Qxa4 78. Kxd5 Qd7 79. Kc4 Qe6 80. Kd3 Qd5 81. Qd4 Qb3 82. Ke2 Qc2 83. Kf3 Qb1 84. Ke2 Qc2 85. Qd2 Qb1 86. Qd8 Kg7 87. Qd3 Qb7 88. Qd4 Kg8 89. e4 Qb5 90. Kf2 Qb8 91. Ke3 Qb3 92. Qd3 Qb6 93. Kf3 Qg1 94. Qe3 Qf1 95. Kg3 Kh7 96. Qf2 Qd3 97. Qf3 Qd2 98. Kg4 Qd4 99. Qe2 Kg8 100. Kf3 Qc3 101. Qe3 Qc2 102. Qd4 Qc1 103. Qe3 Qd1 104. Kf2 Qc2 105. Qe2 Qc1 106. Kg3 Qg1 107. Kf3 Qh1 108. Ke3 Qc1 109. Qd2 Qc5 110. Kf3 Qb5 111. Qd1 Qc6 112. Qd8 Kg7 113. Qd2 Kg8 114. Qd8 Kg7 115. Ke3 Qc1 116. Qd2 Qg1 117. Kd3 Qb1 118. Ke3 Qg1 119. Ke2 Qb1 120. Qc3 Kg8 121. Qc8 Kg7 122. Qc4 Kg8 123. e5 Qb2 124. Ke3 Qb6 125. Ke4 Qb7 126. Kd4 Qa7 127. Kd3 Qa3 128. Ke4 Qa8 129. Ke3 Qa3 130. Kf2 Qb2 131. Kf3 Qa3 132. Ke2 Qb2 133. Kd3 Qa3 134. Ke4 Qa8 135. Qd5 Qa4 136. Qd4 Qa8 137. Ke3 Qa3 138. Qd3 Qc1 139. Qd2 Qa3 140. Kf2 Qb3 141. Qe3 Qc4 142. Kg3 Qd5 143. Qf3 Qc4 144. f5 gxf5 145. Qxf5 Qc1 146. Qf4 Qg1 147. Kh3 Qh1 148. Kg4 Qd1 149. Qf3 Qd4 150. Kf5 Qd7 151. Ke4 Qc6 152. Kf4 Qc4 153. Qe4 Qf1 154. Qf3 Qc4 155. Kg3 Qd4 156. Qf4 Qg1 157. Kf3 Qf1 158. Kg4 Qd1 159. Qf3 Qd4 160. Kf5 Qd7 161. Ke4 Qc6 162. Kf4 Qc4 163. Kg3 Qd4 164. Qe2 Qg1 165. Kh4 Qh1 166. Kg4 Qg1 167. Kf5 Qb1 168. Kf4 Qc1 169. Qe3 Qc4 170. Kg3 Qd5 171. g6 Qe6 172. gxf7 Kxf7 173. Qc5 Qa6 174. Qf2 Ke7 175. Qf5 Qh6 176. Kg2 Qg7 177. Kh3 Qh6 178. Kg3 Qg7 179. Kh4 Qh6 180. Kg4 Qe6 181. Qxe6

If you are changing booklines per game, you may encounter problems.
ChessGUI 0.104 shall cope with booklines 1000 plys long or longer.

Regards,
Matthias.

[Matthias Gemuh]

Hi Graham,
HS-Large Remis book has some very long lines in them.
I did not reckon with someone creating a ChessGUI without using ChessGUI that truncates such very long lines.
I shall update to ChessGUI 0.104 to cope with such books created without using ChessGUI.
Are you using the Team Fight tournament type in this tournament ?
Best,
Matthias.

I did not reckon with someone creating a ChessGUI book without using ChessGUI that truncates such very long lines.

[Graham Banks]

Hi Graham,
HS-Large Remis book has some very long lines in them.
I did not reckon with someone creating a ChessGUI without using ChessGUI that truncates such very long lines.
I shall update to ChessGUI 0.104 to cope with such books created without using ChessGUI.
Are you using the Team Fight tournament type in this tournament ?
Best,
Matthias.

I did not reckon with someone creating a ChessGUI book without using ChessGUI that truncates such very long lines.

Hi Matthias,

thanks. I've checked all my games so far. Setting the book option to go no further than 12 moves seems to be working. Is there anything I need to worry about from what you're saying?

Regards, Graham.

[Matthias Gemuh]

thanks. I've checked all my games so far. Setting the book option to go no further than 12 moves seems to be working. Is there anything I need to worry about from what you're saying?

Regards, Graham.

Hi Graham,
"... 12 moves seems to be working. Is there anything I need to worry about from what you're saying?" Yes !
you have been just lucky till now
This one evil scenario can still bring disaster :

- IF BOOKLINES CHANGE PER GAME and GUI grabs a bookline longer than about 350 plys, ChessGUI 0.103 will function unpredictably

See how to update to ChessGUI 0.104 in main subforum.
Best,
Matthias.

[Har]

Hi Matthias,
What you think is impossible and inexplicable. My book for your GUI
contains O N L Y LINES WITH 12 MOVES and not one move more !!.
From where appear such long lines ?????
I have played over 40 games and always appeared quite normal the 12
opening moves from the book!!.

[Har]

CM11 CHAMPIONS v KTULU'S LYNCH MOB

Dual Athlon XP1800+
ChessGUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
HS-Large Remis book (limited to 12 moves)
40 moves in 75 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
Each engine will play 4 games against each engine in the opposing team.

CM11 Champions

9.5 - CM11 Leonidas
8.0 - CM11 Archangel
7.0 - CM11 Toxic
3.5 - CM11 Aiglos II


Ktulu's Lynch Mob

10.0 - Ktulu 8.0
9.5 - Movei 00.8.438 (10 10 10)
9.5 - Chess Tiger 2007.1
7.0 - Booot 4.14.0


28.0 - CM11 Champions
36.0 - Ktulu's Lynch Mob

Hi Graham,
HS-Large Remis book has some very long lines in them.

I M P O S S I B L E :

Regards,
Harry

I did not reckon with someone creating a ChessGUI without using ChessGUI that truncates such very long lines.
I shall update to ChessGUI 0.104 to cope with such books created without using ChessGUI.
Are you using the Team Fight tournament type in this tournament ?
Best,
Matthias.

[Graham Banks]

Hi Matthias,
What you think is impossible and inexplicable. My book for your GUI
contains O N L Y LINES WITH 12 MOVES and not one move more !!.
From where appear such long lines ?????
I have played over 40 games and always appeared quite normal the 12
opening moves from the book!!.

Thanks for this clarification Harry. As I said to Matthias, I've had no problems here.
I appreciate the efforts of you both.

Regards, Graham.