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How could you be so sureUri wrote:Anand or Kramnik alone are strong enough to beat Deep Rybka 3. They don't need computer help. Top GMs like Anand or Kramnik are stronger than Rybka 3.
I agree. I also think Anand is stronger than Kramnik nowadays. But i believe computers one day will surpass even the best GM like Anand. We may achieve this as soon as 2020. It's because hardware is becoming exponentially faster and software is always becoming better and smarter. This means that computers are improving at a much faster rate than humans. By 2020 a human trying to beat a computer in chess will be like a human runner trying to outrun a car.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:How could you be so sure
Anand may give Rybka 3 a run for it's money here and there,but Kramnik is weak and won't stand a chance....
As long as I can smash the poor thing I have no reason to believe that Anand couldn't.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
In general the humans are doomed and with the appearence of Rybka 3 the war is over and if anyone doubts my words,let him put the proof on the table for everyone to see,I don't accept empty words no more....
Who is KapaunDr.Ex wrote:As long as I can smash the poor thing I have no reason to believe that Anand couldn't.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
In general the humans are doomed and with the appearence of Rybka 3 the war is over and if anyone doubts my words,let him put the proof on the table for everyone to see,I don't accept empty words no more....
[Event "Wertungspartie, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Maschinenraum"]
[Date "2008.07.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mischa"]
[Black "Kapaun"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B00"]
[WhiteElo "2120"]
[BlackElo "2591"]
[Annotator "8.07;0.04"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "2008.07.25"]
[TimeControl "180"]
{Rybka 3 32-bit server: 13.4 ply; 97kN/s Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.
40GHz 2400MHz, (4 threads)} 1. e4 {1} Nc6 {0.04/12 4} 2. d4 {(Sc3) 2} d5 {
0.04/13 5} 3. e5 {1} Bf5 {-0.01/14 5} 4. c3 {(Sf3) 4} Qd7 {-0.01/11 4} 5. Bb5 {
(Sf3) 9} f6 {-0.25/12 3} 6. f4 {(Sf3) 11} a6 {-0.32/11 2} 7. Ba4 {(Ld3) 4} Nh6
{-0.42/12 7} 8. Nf3 {4} e6 {-0.30/13 2} 9. O-O {11} Be7 {-0.23/13 2} 10. Be3 {
(Sa3) 4} O-O-O {-0.44/11 3} 11. b4 {(h3) 5} Kb8 {-0.50/10 2} 12. b5 {(h3) 8}
axb5 {-0.50/8 0} 13. Bxb5 {2} Be4 {-0.22/11 4} 14. Nbd2 {8} Ng4 {0.17/12 9} 15.
Bf2 {(De2) 6} b6 {0.10/9 3} 16. Qe2 {(Da4) 11} Nxf2 {0.18/10 18} 17. Rxf2 {2}
Bxf3 {0.91/10 4} 18. Nxf3 {5} Ba3 {1.10/12 4} 19. Rb1 {(De3) 11} Rhf8 {
1.57/10 8} 20. Rb3 {(c4) 2} Be7 {1.32/8 1} 21. a4 {1} g5 {2.23/10 8} 22. a5 {
(exf6) 3} g4 {1.12/8 1} 23. Ne1 {3} Rg8 {1.55/10 8} 24. Qa2 {(Sd3) 5} Nb4 {
3.52/8 2} 25. Rxb4 {11} Qc8 {6.83/11 0} 26. Rb3 {(axb6) 6} fxe5 {4.53/9 2} 27.
fxe5 {(Lc6) 2} Rg7 {5.36/8 5} 28. Bd3 {(axb6) 2} g3 {6.14/10 9} 29. hxg3 {5}
Qb7 {2} 30. axb6 {8.07/9 0} c6 {8.05/9 2} 31. Qa7+ {(La6) 3} Qxa7 {1} 32. bxa7+
{5.50/11 0} Ka8 {5.72/12 2} 33. Ra2 {(Tfb2) 3} Bg5 {5.16/10 2} 34. Nf3 {(Tb6) 3
} Be3+ {5.02/10 1} 35. Kf1 {1} Rxa7 {5.12/12 1} 36. Rxa7+ {2} Kxa7 {5.32/14 0}
37. Ke2 {1} Bh6 {5.31/12 0} 38. Ra3+ {(Lxh7) 1} Kb7 {4.96/11 1} 39. Rb3+ {
(Lxh7) 0} Ka7 {0.00/9 0} 40. Ra3+ {(Lxh7) 0} Kb7 {0.00/26 1} 41. Rb3+ {(Lxh7) 0
} Ka7 {(Lag: Av=0.15s, max=0.4s) 0.00/27 1} 1/2-1/2
Only 15 seconds left... I'm getting old.
I think that you are extreamly optimistic with the 2020 year issueUri wrote:I agree. I also think Anand is stronger than Kramnik nowadays. But i believe computers one day will surpass even the best GM like Anand. We may achieve this as soon as 2020. It's because hardware is becoming exponentially faster and software is always becoming better and smarter. This means that computers are improving at a much faster rate than humans. By 2020 a human trying to beat a computer in chess will be like a human runner trying to outrun a car.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:How could you be so sure
Anand may give Rybka 3 a run for it's money here and there,but Kramnik is weak and won't stand a chance....
Dr. Deeb,Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Hi Marc,
Agreed here,but as I've always said:
How many times will the super GM achieve such a position Exclamation Question
Even better:
Will the engine with it's tuned opening book for opening positions let the poor human get similar positions Exclamation Question
In general the humans are doomed and with the appearence of Rybka 3 the war is over and if anyone doubts my words,let him put the proof on the table for everyone to see,I don't accept empty words no more....
I perfectly understand what you asked and my answer is still noMarc MP wrote:Dr. Deeb,Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Hi Marc,
Agreed here,but as I've always said:
How many times will the super GM achieve such a position Exclamation Question
Even better:
Will the engine with it's tuned opening book for opening positions let the poor human get similar positions Exclamation Question
In general the humans are doomed and with the appearence of Rybka 3 the war is over and if anyone doubts my words,let him put the proof on the table for everyone to see,I don't accept empty words no more....
The question being ask (see the very first post in this thread) is: Will a combo of a Top GM (Anand, Carlsen, Kramnik or so ) *AND* a top program (Naum, Zappa, Hiarcs or so on a quad) prevail against unatended Rybka 8 cpus...
That is what I was answering. You obviously were answering something else.
I don't know, obviously a Rybka 3 tester. Of course it played without book and this greatly increased my chances.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Who is KapaunDr.Ex wrote:As long as I can smash the poor thing I have no reason to believe that Anand couldn't.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
In general the humans are doomed and with the appearence of Rybka 3 the war is over and if anyone doubts my words,let him put the proof on the table for everyone to see,I don't accept empty words no more....
[Event "Wertungspartie, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Maschinenraum"]
[Date "2008.07.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mischa"]
[Black "Kapaun"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B00"]
[WhiteElo "2120"]
[BlackElo "2591"]
[Annotator "8.07;0.04"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "2008.07.25"]
[TimeControl "180"]
{Rybka 3 32-bit server: 13.4 ply; 97kN/s Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.
40GHz 2400MHz, (4 threads)} 1. e4 {1} Nc6 {0.04/12 4} 2. d4 {(Sc3) 2} d5 {
0.04/13 5} 3. e5 {1} Bf5 {-0.01/14 5} 4. c3 {(Sf3) 4} Qd7 {-0.01/11 4} 5. Bb5 {
(Sf3) 9} f6 {-0.25/12 3} 6. f4 {(Sf3) 11} a6 {-0.32/11 2} 7. Ba4 {(Ld3) 4} Nh6
{-0.42/12 7} 8. Nf3 {4} e6 {-0.30/13 2} 9. O-O {11} Be7 {-0.23/13 2} 10. Be3 {
(Sa3) 4} O-O-O {-0.44/11 3} 11. b4 {(h3) 5} Kb8 {-0.50/10 2} 12. b5 {(h3) 8}
axb5 {-0.50/8 0} 13. Bxb5 {2} Be4 {-0.22/11 4} 14. Nbd2 {8} Ng4 {0.17/12 9} 15.
Bf2 {(De2) 6} b6 {0.10/9 3} 16. Qe2 {(Da4) 11} Nxf2 {0.18/10 18} 17. Rxf2 {2}
Bxf3 {0.91/10 4} 18. Nxf3 {5} Ba3 {1.10/12 4} 19. Rb1 {(De3) 11} Rhf8 {
1.57/10 8} 20. Rb3 {(c4) 2} Be7 {1.32/8 1} 21. a4 {1} g5 {2.23/10 8} 22. a5 {
(exf6) 3} g4 {1.12/8 1} 23. Ne1 {3} Rg8 {1.55/10 8} 24. Qa2 {(Sd3) 5} Nb4 {
3.52/8 2} 25. Rxb4 {11} Qc8 {6.83/11 0} 26. Rb3 {(axb6) 6} fxe5 {4.53/9 2} 27.
fxe5 {(Lc6) 2} Rg7 {5.36/8 5} 28. Bd3 {(axb6) 2} g3 {6.14/10 9} 29. hxg3 {5}
Qb7 {2} 30. axb6 {8.07/9 0} c6 {8.05/9 2} 31. Qa7+ {(La6) 3} Qxa7 {1} 32. bxa7+
{5.50/11 0} Ka8 {5.72/12 2} 33. Ra2 {(Tfb2) 3} Bg5 {5.16/10 2} 34. Nf3 {(Tb6) 3
} Be3+ {5.02/10 1} 35. Kf1 {1} Rxa7 {5.12/12 1} 36. Rxa7+ {2} Kxa7 {5.32/14 0}
37. Ke2 {1} Bh6 {5.31/12 0} 38. Ra3+ {(Lxh7) 1} Kb7 {4.96/11 1} 39. Rb3+ {
(Lxh7) 0} Ka7 {0.00/9 0} 40. Ra3+ {(Lxh7) 0} Kb7 {0.00/26 1} 41. Rb3+ {(Lxh7) 0
} Ka7 {(Lag: Av=0.15s, max=0.4s) 0.00/27 1} 1/2-1/2
Only 15 seconds left... I'm getting old.
Great!,Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I perfectly understand what you asked and my answer is still noMarc MP wrote:Dr. Deeb,Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Hi Marc,
Agreed here,but as I've always said:
How many times will the super GM achieve such a position Exclamation Question
Even better:
Will the engine with it's tuned opening book for opening positions let the poor human get similar positions Exclamation Question
In general the humans are doomed and with the appearence of Rybka 3 the war is over and if anyone doubts my words,let him put the proof on the table for everyone to see,I don't accept empty words no more....
The question being ask (see the very first post in this thread) is: Will a combo of a Top GM (Anand, Carlsen, Kramnik or so ) *AND* a top program (Naum, Zappa, Hiarcs or so on a quad) prevail against unatended Rybka 8 cpus...
That is what I was answering. You obviously were answering something else.
It seem so!! but I´ve see some games of Rybka 3 very very impressive, If Rybka could open the game each game, I don´t know if even with the help of a engine a SuperGM can beat Rybka 3