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Bobby Fischer outrageous chess moves,position 3....

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....by Bruce Pandolfini


Bobby Fischer-Luis Sanchez
Santiago,1959
White's 53rd move



[D]2r5/2P4R/p3kp1p/n3pNpP/1b2P1P1/4B3/5P2/6K1 w - - 0 1


Solution:53.Bd2!,a brilliant example of the kidnapping theme....I'll elaborate more:
The advanced passed pawn is engaging the black rock and the black bishop is tied
up defending against Re7 mate....the white bishop can't be captured because of the
mate threat at e7....the black knight can't be moved to c6 because the black bishop
will be captured and after Bxb4 the situation is clear....removing the bishop from the
a5-e1 diagonal costs the black the knight at a5....
Black resigned....


P.S.note that most of the explanations are done with my own words and interpretation
of the position,I am far away from copying and pasting directly from the book!
This one is tough,believe me 8-)
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Re: Bobby Fischer outrageous chess moves,position 3....

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This one is actually very easy :)

Analysis by Twisted Logic 20080620:

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1.Bd2 Bd6 2.Bxa5 Bc5 3.Rxh6 Bf8 4.Rh7 Bc5 
  +-  (5.19)   Depth: 8/17   00:00:00  32kN
1.Bd2 Bf8 2.Bxa5 Ra8 3.Kg2 Rc8 4.Kf3 Re8 5.Nxh6 Bc5 
  +-  (5.43)   Depth: 11/17   00:00:00  73kN
1.Bd2 Bf8 2.Bxa5 Ra8 3.Kg2 Rc8 4.Kf3 Re8 5.Nxh6 Bc5 
  +-  (5.43)   Depth: 11/17   00:00:00  73kN
1.Bd2 Ra8 2.Bxb4 Nc6 3.Bc5 a5 4.Kg2 a4 5.Nd6 Ne7 6.Rxh6 
  +-  (5.48)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:00  115kN
1.Bd2 Bf8 2.Bxa5 Ra8 3.Rh8 Rc8 4.Bb4 Bxb4 5.Rxc8 Kd7 6.Rb8 a5 
  +-  (5.60)   Depth: 12/22   00:00:00  223kN
1.Bd2 Bd6 2.Bxa5 Bf8 3.Kg2 Bd6 4.Nxd6 Kxd6 5.Rxh6 Ke6 6.Kf3 Ra8 7.Bb4 a5 
  +-  (5.91)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:00  330kN
1.Bd2 Bd6 2.Bxa5 Bf8 3.Kg2 Bd6 4.Nxd6 Kxd6 5.Rxh6 Ke6 6.Kf3 Ra8 7.Rh7 Rc8 8.h6 
  +-  (6.01)   Depth: 14/22   00:00:00  441kN
1.Bd2 Bd6 2.Bxa5 Bf8 3.Kg2 Bc5 4.Rxh6 Ba3 5.Rh7 Bc5 6.h6 Ra8 7.Kf3 Rc8 8.Bc3 
  +-  (6.15)   Depth: 15/25   00:00:00  722kN
1.Bd2 Bd6 2.Bxa5 Bf8 3.Kg2 Bc5 4.Rxh6 Kf7 5.Rh7+ Ke6 6.h6 Rg8 7.Kf3 Rc8 8.Bd2 Rg8 9.Bc3 
  +-  (6.31)   Depth: 16/26   00:00:01  1151kN
1.Bd2 Bd6 2.Bxa5 Bf8 3.Kg2 Bc5 4.Rxh6 Kf7 5.Rh7+ Ke6 6.h6 Rg8 7.Kf3 Rc8 8.Bd2 Ra8 9.Be3 Bxe3 10.Kxe3 
  +-  (6.41)   Depth: 17/27   00:00:01  1607kN
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Re: Bobby Fischer outrageous chess moves,position 3....

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This one seems to be trivial:

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                1     0.02   1.01   1. Nxh6    (9Knps)             
                1->   0.02   1.01   1. Nxh6    (9Knps)             
                2     0.02   0.78   1. Nxh6 Nc4(12Knps)             
                2     0.02   0.85   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Nxb4 3. Nxh6 
                2->   0.02   0.85   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Nxb4 3. Nxh6
                3     0.02   0.85   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Nxb4 3. Nxh6 
                3     0.03   0.94   1. Nxh6 Bd6 2. Bb6)             
                3->   0.03   0.94   1. Nxh6 Bd6 2. Bb6
                4     0.03   0.68   1. Nxh6 Bd6 2. Bb6 Nc6          
                4     0.03     +1   1. Bd2!!   (90Knps)             
                4     0.03     +3   1. Bd2!!   (136Knps)             
                4     0.03   4.09   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 a5            
                4->   0.03   4.09   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 a5            
                5     0.03   4.10   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 a5 3. Bc5     
                5->   0.03   4.10   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 a5 3. Bc5 (s=3)
                6     0.03     +1   1. Bd2!!   (282Knps)             
                6     0.03   4.99   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Ra8 3. Bc5 Rc8 4.
                                    Nxh6 (s=2)
                6->   0.03   4.99   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Ra8 3. Bc5 Rc8 4.
                                    Nxh6
                7     0.04   5.29   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Ra8 3. Bd6 Rc8 4.
                                    Rxh6
                7->   0.04   5.29   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Ra8 3. Bd6 Rc8 4.
                                    Rxh6
                8     0.04   5.29   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Ra8 3. Bd6 Rc8 4.
                                    Rxh6 a5
                8->   0.04   5.29   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Ra8 3. Bd6 Rc8 4.
                                    Rxh6 a5
                9     0.05     +1   1. Bd2!!   (1.6Mnps)             
                9->   0.06   4.89   1. Bd2 Nc6 2. Bxb4 Ra8 3. Bd6 Rc8 4.
                                    Rxh6 a5 (s=3)
               10     0.06     +1   1. Bd2!!   (3.1Mnps)             
               10     0.08   5.70   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bf8 3. Kg2 Bd6 4.
                                    Kf3 Bf8 5. Nxh6 Bc5 <HT> &#40;s=2&#41;
               10->   0.09   5.70   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bf8 3. Kg2 Bd6 4.
                                    Kf3 Bf8 5. Nxh6 Bc5 <HT>
               11     0.11   5.86   1. Bd2 Bf8 2. Bxa5 Ra8 3. Nxh6 Bxh6
                                    4. Rxh6 Rc8 5. Bb6 Ra8 6. Kg2
               11->   0.12   5.86   1. Bd2 Bf8 2. Bxa5 Ra8 3. Nxh6 Bxh6
                                    4. Rxh6 Rc8 5. Bb6 Ra8 6. Kg2
               12     0.16     +1   1. Bd2!!   &#40;5.8Mnps&#41;             
               12     0.19   6.26   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bd6 3. Nxh6 Be7
                                    4. Nf7 Kd7 5. Nd8 Ke8 6. Nc6 Bc5 <HT>
               12->   0.20   6.26   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bd6 3. Nxh6 Be7
                                    4. Nf7 Kd7 5. Nd8 Ke8 6. Nc6 Bc5 <HT>
               13     0.29   6.38   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bd6 3. Nxh6 Rf8
                                    4. Kg2 Rc8 5. Nf5 Ba3 6. Kf3 Bc5 7.
                                    Bc3
               13->   0.32   6.38   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bd6 3. Nxh6 Rf8
                                    4. Kg2 Rc8 5. Nf5 Ba3 6. Kf3 Bc5 7.
                                    Bc3
               14     0.44   6.48   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bd6 3. Nxh6 Rf8
                                    4. Kg2 Rc8 5. Nf5 Ba3 6. Kf3 Bd6 7.
                                    h6 Bc5
               14->   0.47   6.48   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Bd6 3. Nxh6 Rf8
                                    4. Kg2 Rc8 5. Nf5 Ba3 6. Kf3 Bd6 7.
                                    h6 Bc5
               15     0.86   6.50   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Ba3 3. Nxh6 Kd6
                                    4. Nf7+ Kc6 5. Rh8 Rxc7 6. Bxc7 Kxc7
                                    7. Kg2 a5 8. Ra8 Bb4
               15->   0.90   6.50   1. Bd2 Bc5 2. Bxa5 Ba3 3. Nxh6 Kd6
                                    4. Nf7+ Kc6 5. Rh8 Rxc7 6. Bxc7 Kxc7
                                    7. Kg2 a5 8. Ra8 Bb4
               16     1.52     +1   1. Bd2!!   &#40;13.8Mnps&#41;             
               16     1.52   1/27*  1. Bd2     &#40;15.3Mnps&#41;
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Yes,it's trivial for most of the chess engines as it's a clean tactical shot,I was addressing the humans with the tough nature of the position.....
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Yes,it's trivial for most of the chess engines as it's a clean tactical shot,I was addressing the humans with the tough nature of the position.....
There is nothing tough about this position (or the other two for that matter) even for a human. Bruce Pandolfini generally writes books for relative beginners, and this book appears to be no exception.
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smirobth wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Yes,it's trivial for most of the chess engines as it's a clean tactical shot,I was addressing the humans with the tough nature of the position.....
There is nothing tough about this position (or the other two for that matter) even for a human. Bruce Pandolfini generally writes books for relative beginners, and this book appears to be no exception.
The first two positions were pretty easy indeed,but the third one is not :!:
Did you read the whole book so that you can give such a major statement about it :!: :?:
Wait to see the remaining 98 positions and then we'll talk....
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
smirobth wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Yes,it's trivial for most of the chess engines as it's a clean tactical shot,I was addressing the humans with the tough nature of the position.....
There is nothing tough about this position (or the other two for that matter) even for a human. Bruce Pandolfini generally writes books for relative beginners, and this book appears to be no exception.
The first two positions were pretty easy indeed,but the third one is not :!:
It is not just easy for a human.... it is trivial. Here is why:
A human will quickly notice that if the Black bishop was not guarding e7, Re7 would be mate in one. So the first candidate moves a human will look for are moves that deflect the Black bishop from guarding e7. Bd2 does this, and wins a piece the very next move.
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Did you read the whole book so that you can give such a major statement about it :!: :?:
Wait to see the remaining 98 positions and then we'll talk....
No, I have not read the book. But I do know that Bruce Pandolfini has written a lot of books, and that every one I have ever seen was for relative beginners. I suppose this book might be an exception to the rule, but the first three positions sure don't lead me to think so.
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smirobth wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
smirobth wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Yes,it's trivial for most of the chess engines as it's a clean tactical shot,I was addressing the humans with the tough nature of the position.....
There is nothing tough about this position (or the other two for that matter) even for a human. Bruce Pandolfini generally writes books for relative beginners, and this book appears to be no exception.
The first two positions were pretty easy indeed,but the third one is not :!:
It is not just easy for a human.... it is trivial. Here is why:
A human will quickly notice that if the Black bishop was not guarding e7, Re7 would be mate in one. So the first candidate moves a human will look for are moves that deflect the Black bishop from guarding e7. Bd2 does this, and wins a piece the very next move.
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Did you read the whole book so that you can give such a major statement about it :!: :?:
Wait to see the remaining 98 positions and then we'll talk....
No, I have not read the book. But I do know that Bruce Pandolfini has written a lot of books, and that every one I have ever seen was for relative beginners. I suppose this book might be an exception to the rule, but the first three positions sure don't lead me to think so.
Your guess is very close to the truth,it's just that the author has constructed his book in a way so that every next position is harder than the previous one,a ladder system....
I know that you are a strong player,I have my observations,but not every one is in your league or in mine so to speak....
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Re: Bobby Fischer outrageous chess moves,position 3....

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Hi Dr. Wael.

I purchased this book when Fischer passed away. But due to my recent move to a new home, this book is still packed away in one of my boxes. I'll have to dig it out now. :-)

Thanks for posting positions from the book. I intended to make an .epd test suite of the 101 positions, but haven't had time.

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David Dahlem wrote:Hi Dr. Wael.

I purchased this book when Fischer passed away. But due to my recent move to a new home, this book is still packed away in one of my boxes. I'll have to dig it out now. :-)

Thanks for posting positions from the book. I intended to make an .epd test suite of the 101 positions, but haven't had time.

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Hi Dave,
I'll post all the 101 positions even though till now they've been so trivial to the readers of this forum....
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