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[Don]

I will not defend Microsoft.

You also have disgruntled users. Not everyone has the same patience.

As I said twenty years I have spent with computers all, like you.
Now I always buy my computers, by components, joined them myself, I love it.

That is what I've had to do to avoid paying the Microsoft tax. They have now invented a new method to try to force people to use Windows. A lot of Linux users are pretty upset about this because it makes it much more difficult now to remove windows and install Linux. Psychopathic behavior.

Sorry, I have nothing against Linux, I like, but I'd rather sit in front of the computer and enjoy.

So yes, I wonder,
Why are always the user linux with the fight?
Why Windows users do not bother to do anything for linux?
Nobody compiled for Linux on Windows.

Those are silly questions. Most windows user are oblivious. I don't say that to be ugly, but they just don't even know Linux exists. It's only been in the last very few years that I could call support for anything and them not say, "oh, that's your problem" when finding out I am running Linux. Running Linux to them was why their netowrk doesn't work or whatever the problem was. Just a few years before that support would say, "What's that?"

So you are justifying living in a bubble and just taking what they dish out to you. Just like we do with food, you cannot eat good food these days, we just eat what they give us.

If you have grown up with Windows and just want to sit in front of your computer and enjoy as you say, Linux is just not for you. If you are technical and love to hack and REALLY want to get the most out of computing you would love Linux. But almost everyone has to suffer some tears and pain changing and Windows has benefited enormously from the natural conservatism of people, the fear of change.

The biggest issue is the Microsoft cocoon they put you in. The warm fuzzy feeling you get from knowing that Microsoft will always be there for you, and that you are part of something that most people will not disapprove of so that you are part of the crowd. So the Microsoft mentality has a way of promoting its own mediocrity.

Still, most companies are smart enough that they choose Linux for their servers. You can get away with some stupidity but you cannot survive with a lot of it in a business environment and MS is not a real player in the server market. A Linux desktop has all the power of a server right from the start.

[velmarin]

Sorry, it's impossible to follow.

You call me stupid, I say nonsense.
You need a relaxation, my friend.

I am in the Basque country, I live in the land of Spanish wine, I am amateur chef, my meals are super class.
I am fond of chess, golf fan, football fan, of all sports.
I like computers, I like people.

I do not like you,
like you
feel superior, but I forgive you.

Although you still remember compiling in linux
by windows to make money, not give me lessons in morality.

Even you asked for help to compile your Komodo for Linux, that irony.

relax friend

[michiguel]

I will not defend Microsoft.

You also have disgruntled users. Not everyone has the same patience.

As I said twenty years I have spent with computers all, like you.
Now I always buy my computers, by components, joined them myself, I love it.

Sorry, I have nothing against Linux, I like, but I'd rather sit in front of the computer and enjoy.

So yes, I wonder,
Why are always the user linux with the fight?

Who started it in this thread?

Miguel

Why Windows users do not bother to do anything for linux?
Nobody compiled for Linux on Windows.

[velmarin]

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Don Dailey

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I hope to work out these issue. It's my understanding that Linux has more registers to work with and thus programs run a bit faster as they are better optimized. It could very well be that since I designed Komodo under Linux I have come to depend on these extra registers. In such a case there would be no simple solution without yet another rewrite - this time using Windows as my development platform. I am pretty reluctant to do that however as you might imagine.

Friend Don,
until they name elsewhere.

You acknowledge that you will have to compile on windows.
Another irony.

[Don]

Sorry, it's impossible to follow.

You call me stupid, I say nonsense.

You keep saying that, but I'm not reading it. Where did I call you stupid?

You need a relaxation, my friend.

You are reading things into what I said, so I think you are need to stop being so paranoid and relax yourself.

I am in the Basque country, I live in the land of Spanish wine, I am amateur chef, my meals are super class.
I am fond of chess, golf fan, football fan, of all sports.
I like computers, I like people.

I do not like you like you
feel superior, but I forgive you.

I think the problem is that you are too sensitive. I would probably not even be having a long conversation with you if I didn't feel you were intelligent.

Although you still remember compiling in linux
windows to make money, not give me lessons in morality.

Even you asked for help to compile your Komodo for Linux, that irony.

relax friend

This happens whenever I speak disparagingly of Windows - I get hate mail every single time.

I think I have a right to have an opinion about your beloved OS and it you should not take it personally. A lot of people I love dearly (including my own dear wife!) runs Windows.

[velmarin]

I will not defend Microsoft.

You also have disgruntled users. Not everyone has the same patience.

As I said twenty years I have spent with computers all, like you.
Now I always buy my computers, by components, joined them myself, I love it.

Sorry, I have nothing against Linux, I like, but I'd rather sit in front of the computer and enjoy.

So yes, I wonder,
Why are always the user linux with the fight?

Who started it in this thread?

Miguel

Why Windows users do not bother to do anything for linux?
Nobody compiled for Linux on Windows.

What is the problem.

Cronyism.


Thanks, Don:

Psychopathic behavior.



Those are silly questions.

You can get away with some stupidity but you

[wgarvin]

My problems is not so much with the OS but with Microsoft. ... The problem with Microsoft is the same as most big corporations - they are basically criminal. Corporations have rights like people (the supreme court basically recognizes them as "people" in the late 1800's) but most would be judged as psychopaths if they were evaluated by psychologists.

Yeah. Anyone paying attention to Microsoft's actions for the past 25 years can probably think of numerous examples of evil stuff they have done, that has harmed the progress of the software industry or put specific competitors out of business.

Embrace, Extend and Extinguish is the name they used internally for their strategy, which they continue to apply to this day, of initially adopting some competitor's open standard or platform, and then perverting it with proprietary extensions until they can eventually squeeze that competitor out of the market. I don't have a list handy of all of the companies and products that Microsoft has marginalized or outright extinguished over the years, but its not exactly a short list. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head are Netscape Navigator, Java (the rare survivor), WordPerfect, Stacker (which MS ripped off to create DoubleSpace).

In the 90's, the U.S. goverment prosecuted a case against Microsoft for violation of anti-trust laws (abusing their OS monopoly to their own advantage in other markets), but the punishment ended up being a slap on the wrist. More recently, the European Commission also found MS guilty of anti-trust violations, and IIRC the fines there were a bit steeper, and the EC forced them to finally provide real documentation for the Samba team to use to interoperate with Microsoft's Active Directory product.

Microsoft has started deliberate FUD campaigns against Linux, and other popular open-source software, they are widely suspected of provoking and funding the SCO lawsuits against IBM and Novell, and they corrupted the ISO standardization process to force their OOXML format through, so they could continue to sell Office to governments that were starting to demand compliance with open standards without significantly opening the software.

This 2009 paper from the European Committee for Interoperable Systems (ECIS) summarizes some of Microsoft's anticompetitive conduct up to that date. More recently, just look at how well Nokia has been doing since they got into bed with Microsoft!

In summary: I feel just as much antipathy toward Microsoft as Don does, I think they have worked hard to earn it. The only part of Microsoft that I actually like is their gaming division. They lock gamers and developers into their proprietary DRMed console platforms, but that's been SOP for a long time in the game industry and all of the other big vendors do it too so I don't fault them too much for that.

[Modern Times]

The biggest issue is the Microsoft cocoon they put you in. The warm fuzzy feeling you get from knowing that Microsoft will always be there for you, and that you are part of something that most people will not disapprove of so that you are part of the crowd. So the Microsoft mentality has a way of promoting its own mediocrity.

That is exactly what I would have said about Apple, not Microsoft.

[Modern Times]

But out of these 85% of average computer users who use Windows, how many of them knowingly chose it ? How many of them have actually tried something else, and came back to Windows thinking it's really the best ?

Me for one.

I've dabbled in Linux for maybe 10 years, but keep coming back to Windows. Currently I have no Linux installations, having got rid of them a few months back. A long time ago I hated Microsoft and was an avid user of OS/2 and OS/2 Warp. So I don't have a love affair with Microsoft at all. When OS/2 died I was certainly after a non-Microsoft alternative. But Windows is actually very, very good. So in the end, there is something to be said for keeping life simple and uncomplicated. There is just no reason for me to look beyond Windows any more.

[Modern Times]

Wylie, Apple are the new Microsoft, but 10 times worse.