An idea for new Handicap games for dragon

[mwyoung]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

First game was using Arena

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Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

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ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

Komodo squeeze the crap out of me this time the space was too much and my position was hopeless. Instead of 7.....Qb6, after I made the move I thought that 7......Qd8 could have been better and later push my pawn to f6. I am NOT using my best computer since Komodo is only playing me, but it could be defective since it is a refurbished
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.12.08"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 Qa5+ 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Bd2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 Qb6 8.
e5 Nh6 9. Qa1 Nf5 10. b4 Bd7 11. Bd3 Nce7 12. a4 a6 13. Bd2 g6 14. O-O Qc7 15.
g4 Ng7 16. Bg5 h5 17. h3 Ra7 18. Kg2 Ng8 19. Rb1 Ra8 20. Qa3 hxg4 21. hxg4 b6
22. b5 1-0[/pgn]

It is not relevant what engine you played, or the computers condition. The problem is your centipawn score of 6.

I think it is relatively easier not to do mistakes if you start with a big advantage so comparison to games when the human did not get the same handicap is not relevant.

0 mistakes in 5 games. Each game is analyzed and you see zero mistakes, zero inaccuracies. And out performed Komodo 13 centipawn score15 vs 6 for the human. And this is not true. Just ask GM Joel Benjamin, and GM Nakamura.

[Uri Blass]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

First game was using Arena

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Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

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ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

Komodo squeeze the crap out of me this time the space was too much and my position was hopeless. Instead of 7.....Qb6, after I made the move I thought that 7......Qd8 could have been better and later push my pawn to f6. I am NOT using my best computer since Komodo is only playing me, but it could be defective since it is a refurbished
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.12.08"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 Qa5+ 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Bd2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 Qb6 8.
e5 Nh6 9. Qa1 Nf5 10. b4 Bd7 11. Bd3 Nce7 12. a4 a6 13. Bd2 g6 14. O-O Qc7 15.
g4 Ng7 16. Bg5 h5 17. h3 Ra7 18. Kg2 Ng8 19. Rb1 Ra8 20. Qa3 hxg4 21. hxg4 b6
22. b5 1-0[/pgn]

It is not relevant what engine you played, or the computers condition. The problem is your centipawn score of 6.

I think it is relatively easier not to do mistakes if you start with a big advantage so comparison to games when the human did not get the same handicap is not relevant.

0 mistakes in 5 games. Each game is analyzed and you see zero mistakes, zero inaccuracies. And out performed Komodo 13 centipawn score15 vs 6 for the human. And this is not true. Just ask GM Joel Benjamin, and GM Nakamura.

There may be evidence for cheating and I did not investigate the games but my point is still true.

It is easier to make mistakes in bad positions or positions that are not obviously winning.

I expect myself to win stockfish if stockfish starts without the queen with relatively less centipawns mistakes then the mistakes that I do in normal games when I expect to lose against it.

[mwyoung]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

First game was using Arena

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Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

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ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

Komodo squeeze the crap out of me this time the space was too much and my position was hopeless. Instead of 7.....Qb6, after I made the move I thought that 7......Qd8 could have been better and later push my pawn to f6. I am NOT using my best computer since Komodo is only playing me, but it could be defective since it is a refurbished
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.12.08"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 Qa5+ 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Bd2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 Qb6 8.
e5 Nh6 9. Qa1 Nf5 10. b4 Bd7 11. Bd3 Nce7 12. a4 a6 13. Bd2 g6 14. O-O Qc7 15.
g4 Ng7 16. Bg5 h5 17. h3 Ra7 18. Kg2 Ng8 19. Rb1 Ra8 20. Qa3 hxg4 21. hxg4 b6
22. b5 1-0[/pgn]

It is not relevant what engine you played, or the computers condition. The problem is your centipawn score of 6.

I think it is relatively easier not to do mistakes if you start with a big advantage so comparison to games when the human did not get the same handicap is not relevant.

0 mistakes in 5 games. Each game is analyzed and you see zero mistakes, zero inaccuracies. And out performed Komodo 13 centipawn score15 vs 6 for the human. And this is not true. Just ask GM Joel Benjamin, and GM Nakamura.

There may be evidence for cheating and I did not investigate the games but my point is still true.

It is easier to make mistakes in bad positions or positions that are not obviously winning.

I expect myself to win stockfish if stockfish starts without the queen with relatively less centipawns mistakes then the mistakes that I do in normal games when I expect to lose against it.

You do not know this at all. You just making up facts. And this is easy to test. Larry has run many handicap games over the years. See you soon with the results.

[mwyoung]

There may be evidence for cheating and I did not investigate the games but my point is still true.

It is easier to make mistakes in bad positions or positions that are not obviously winning.

I expect myself to win stockfish if stockfish starts without the queen with relatively less centipawns mistakes then the mistakes that I do in normal games when I expect to lose against it.

So far you have been wrong in every case I have tested so far. You clearly do not know how this type of analysis works. In theory it should not matter if this is a odds match. Because chess is complex, and precision is precision. And only chess engines are so precise.

Odds games are taken here for cheat analysis. To test your Uri's theory. Results coming when all games on this site have been tested with centipawn analysis.
https://komodochess.com/store/pages.php?cmsid=17

[Uri Blass]

In the handicap match that komodo won it is obvious that the human did mistakes because the position was too complex for the human.
When I say that I believe that with big handicap humans do less centi-pawn mistakes I meant to handicap that humans usually win.


For example the match that komodo lost 5-1 against GM smerdon that I do not see in the komodo page maybe because result was not good for komodo.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/smerdon ... night-odds

[mwyoung]

In the handicap match that komodo won it is obvious that the human did mistakes because the position was too complex for the human.
When I say that I believe that with big handicap humans do less centi-pawn mistakes I meant to handicap that humans usually win.


For example the match that komodo lost 5-1 against GM smerdon that I do not see in the komodo page maybe because result was not good for komodo.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/smerdon ... night-odds

All human are not equal Uri. Chess queen cheater is not a GM or even close to a GM. But post the games and lets less if Smerdon out scores Komodo in the centipawn race, and see if Smerdon has 0 mistakes, and 0 inaccuracies in all the games. You need to look at all the stats as I posted.

Ok I see the games, and will post this results first.

[lkaufman]

In the handicap match that komodo won it is obvious that the human did mistakes because the position was too complex for the human.
When I say that I believe that with big handicap humans do less centi-pawn mistakes I meant to handicap that humans usually win.


For example the match that komodo lost 5-1 against GM smerdon that I do not see in the komodo page maybe because result was not good for komodo.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/smerdon ... night-odds

All human are not equal Uri. Chess queen cheater is not a GM or even close to a GM. But post the games and lets less if Smerdon out scores Komodo in the centipawn race, and see if Smerdon has 0 mistakes, and 0 inaccuracies in all the games. You need to look at all the stats as I posted.

Ok I see the games, and will post this results first.

[mwyoung]

In the handicap match that komodo won it is obvious that the human did mistakes because the position was too complex for the human.
When I say that I believe that with big handicap humans do less centi-pawn mistakes I meant to handicap that humans usually win.


For example the match that komodo lost 5-1 against GM smerdon that I do not see in the komodo page maybe because result was not good for komodo.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/smerdon ... night-odds

All human are not equal Uri. Chess queen cheater is not a GM or even close to a GM. But post the games and lets less if Smerdon out scores Komodo in the centipawn race, and see if Smerdon has 0 mistakes, and 0 inaccuracies in all the games. You need to look at all the stats as I posted.

Ok I see the games, and will post this results first.

GM Smerdon did not win the centipawn race. And Scored 15 or above as expected by a GM player. Unlike Chessqueen score of 6.
And GM Smerdon also made mistakes and inaccuracies in his match games. Unlike Chessqueen who made 0 mistakes, and 0 inaccuracies.

And this match was also the same positions repeating.

Centipawn analysis passed, and your theory failed even here.

More results coming.

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PlayKomodo:   6/14/21/27/14/10  => Average=0.15
smurfo:   37/7/15/15/3/6  => Average=0.15

[pgn][Event "Man vs. Machine"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.04.11"]
[Round "1"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "smurfo"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2960"]
[BlackElo "2528"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. d4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} e6 2. e4 d5 3. exd5 {OK} exd5 4. Nf3 Nf6
{OK} 5. Bb5+ c6 6. Bd3 {OK} Bd6 {OK} 7. O-O {OK} O-O {OK} 8. h3 h6 {OK} 9. c3
Re8 {OK} 10. Be3 Be6 11. Ne5 {OK} c5 12. Rc1 {OK} cxd4 13. cxd4 Qb6 14. f4 Nc6
{OK} 15. Qe2 {OK} Ne4 $2 {Mistake (2.7)} (15... Rac8) 16. Bxe4 $19 {Best} dxe4
{Mistake (0.8)} (16... Nxd4 $19) 17. d5 $17 {OK} Qc7 {Inaccurate} 18. Nxc6 {OK}
bxc6 19. dxe6 {OK} Rxe6 20. Rc4 {Inaccurate} f5 {Best} 21. Kh1 Kh7 {OK} 22. Qc2
{OK} Be7 {Mistake (0.9)} (22... Rc8 $17) 23. g4 $15 {Best} g6 24. Rd4 Rd8 {
Inaccurate} 25. Qb3 Qc8 {Inaccurate} 26. Rxd8 {OK} Bxd8 27. Bxa7 Bf6 28. gxf5 {
OK} gxf5 29. Be3 {OK} Bg7 30. a4 {OK} Rd6 {OK} 31. Qf7 Rf6 32. Qe7 {OK} Rg6 33.
Rg1 {OK} Rxg1+ {OK} 34. Kxg1 Kg6 {Best} 35. a5 {Inaccurate} Bxb2 {Best (Easy)}
36. Qd6+ {OK} Kh7 37. Qc5 {OK} Bf6 {OK} 38. Qc4 c5 {Mistake (1.2)} (38... Qd7
$11) 39. Qxc5 $16 {Best (Easy)} Qd7 $2 {[%mdl 8192] [#]} (39... Qe6 $14) 40.
Qa7 $1 $18 Qxa7 41. Bxa7 Be7 42. a6 {PlayKomodo won by resignation. Best:
White=3, Black=3 OK: White=18, Black=10 Inaccurate: White=2, Black=3 Mistake:
Black=4. Weighted Error Value: White=0.06/Black=0.37 Centipawn loss: w=8/b=31}
1-0

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Man vs. Machine"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.04.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "smurfo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2960"]
[BlackElo "2528"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "136"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. d4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} e6 2. e4 d5 {OK} 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 {OK}
Nfd7 {OK} 5. f4 c5 {OK} 6. dxc5 Nc6 {OK} 7. a3 {OK} Nxc5 {OK} 8. b4 Ne4 9. Nxe4
{OK} dxe4 10. Qxd8+ Kxd8 11. Bb2 {OK} b6 12. g3 Bb7 {OK} 13. Bg2 {OK} Kc7 14.
Bxe4 {OK} a5 15. b5 Nb8 16. Bxb7 {OK} Kxb7 17. O-O-O Be7 18. f5 Kc7 19. Rhf1 {
OK} Rf8 {OK} 20. g4 Nd7 {OK} 21. Kb1 Rad8 {OK} 22. Rd4 Nc5 {OK} 23. f6 {OK}
gxf6 {OK} 24. exf6 Bd6 {OK} 25. g5 {OK} e5 {OK} 26. Rh4 Ne6 27. Rf5 Rg8 {OK}
28. Rxh7 {OK} Rxg5 {OK} 29. Rxf7+ {OK} Rd7 {OK} 30. Rxg5 {OK} Rxf7 {OK} 31. Rg6
Kd7 {OK} 32. Ka2 Nf4 {OK} 33. Rh6 Ke6 {OK} 34. Rh8 Rf8 35. Rh7 Rf7 36. Rh8 Rf8
37. Rh7 Rxf6 38. Kb3 Rf7 39. Rh6+ Rf6 40. Rh8 Ne2 41. Kc4 Rf4+ {OK} 42. Kd3 {OK
} Nd4 {OK} 43. Bc1 {OK} Rf8 {Black is clearly winning. OK} 44. Rh6+ {OK} Rf6 {
OK} 45. Rh7 Rf7 46. Rh6+ Rf6 {OK} 47. Rh7 {OK} Nxb5 {OK} 48. a4 {OK} Nc7 {OK}
49. h4 Nd5 {OK} 50. c4 Nf4+ 51. Ke4 Ne2 52. c5 Bxc5 53. Bd2 Ng3+ 54. Kd3 e4+
55. Kc4 Nf5 56. Bc3 Nd6+ 57. Kb3 Rf3 58. Kc2 Rf2+ 59. Kb3 Rf3 60. Kc2 Nf5 61.
h5 Nd4+ 62. Kb2 Kd5 63. Rd7+ Kc4 64. h6 Rf2+ 65. Bd2 Rxd2+ 66. Kb1 Kb3 67. Rxd4
Rxd4 68. h7 Rd1# {smurfo won by checkmate. OK: White=18, Black=28. Weighted
Error Value: White=0.14/Black=0.07 Centipawn loss: w=14/b=8} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Man vs. Machine"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.04.11"]
[Round "3"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "smurfo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2960"]
[BlackElo "2528"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "116"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. Nf3 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} e6 2. e4 d5 {OK} 3. e5 c5 {OK} 4. c3
Nc6 {OK} 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. Qe2 Qb6 {OK} 7. a4 {OK} a6 {OK} 8. Bxc6 {OK} Bxc6 9. d3
d4 {OK} 10. O-O Ne7 11. Bg5 h6 12. Bd2 g5 13. a5 Qd8 {OK} 14. h3 Ng6 15. cxd4 {
OK} cxd4 16. Rac1 Bg7 {OK} 17. Bb4 Nf4 {OK} 18. Qd1 {OK} Bxf3 {OK} 19. Qxf3 Qd5
{OK} 20. Qxd5 {OK} Nxd5 21. Bd6 {OK} Kd7 {OK} 22. Rc4 f6 {Black is clearly
winning. OK} 23. exf6 Bxf6 24. Bb4 Nxb4 25. Rxb4 Rab8 {OK} 26. Rc1 Rhc8 {OK}
27. Rxc8 Kxc8 28. g3 Kc7 29. Rb6 Kd7 30. Rb4 Kc6 31. Rc4+ Kd7 32. Kg2 b5 33.
axb6 Rxb6 34. Ra4 Rxb2 35. Rxa6 Rb3 36. Ra7+ Ke8 37. Ra8+ Kf7 38. Ra7+ Kg6 39.
Ra6 Kf7 40. Ra7+ Kg6 41. Ra6 e5 42. Ra7 Rxd3 43. f3 Rd2+ 44. Kf1 h5 45. Ra8 h4
46. Ke1 Rh2 47. g4 Rxh3 48. Ke2 Rh1 49. Ra3 h3 50. f4 gxf4 51. Kd2 h2 52. Kd3
Rd1+ 53. Ke4 h1=Q+ 54. Rf3 Re1+ 55. Kd5 Qxf3+ 56. Kc5 Rc1+ 57. Kb6 Qb3+ 58. Ka7
Ra1# {smurfo won by checkmate. OK: White=6, Black=15. Weighted Error Value:
White=0.14/Black=0.03 Centipawn loss: w=12/b=6} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Man vs. Machine"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.04.12"]
[Round "4"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "smurfo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2960"]
[BlackElo "2528"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "138"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. d4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} e6 2. c4 f5 3. g3 {OK} Nf6 4. Bg2 {OK}
c6 5. O-O d5 6. Bg5 Bd6 7. Nd2 O-O 8. Qc2 {OK} Nbd7 {OK} 9. e3 {OK} h6 10. Bf4
{OK} Bxf4 11. exf4 Ne4 {OK} 12. Nf3 Re8 13. Rfe1 {OK} b6 14. cxd5 {OK} cxd5 15.
Ne5 Nxe5 {OK} 16. fxe5 Bd7 {OK} 17. f3 {OK} Ng5 18. h4 Nf7 {OK} 19. Qd2 Rc8 20.
Rad1 Qe7 21. Bf1 {OK} Rc7 {OK} 22. a3 Ba4 23. Ra1 a5 24. Rec1 Rec8 {OK} 25. f4
Rc2 {OK} 26. Qe3 {OK} Rxc1 {OK} 27. Rxc1 Rxc1 28. Qxc1 Qd7 {OK} 29. Kf2 Qc6 {OK
} 30. Qxc6 Bxc6 31. Ke3 Kf8 {OK} 32. Kd2 Ke7 33. Kc2 h5 {OK} 34. Be2 g6 35. Kc3
$2 (35. b3) 35... Nh6 $19 36. Kd2 Ng4 37. Bd3 Nf2 {Black is clearly winning}
38. Bc2 Ne4+ 39. Ke2 Nxg3+ 40. Kf2 Ne4+ 41. Ke3 Bb5 42. a4 Bf1 43. Kf3 b5 44.
Ke3 Kd7 45. Bb3 Kc6 46. axb5+ Kxb5 47. Bc2 Kb4 48. Bd1 Bc4 49. Kf3 a4 50. Bc2
Bb3 51. Bd3 Bd1+ 52. Ke3 Kb3 53. Bxe4 fxe4 54. f5 gxf5 55. Kf4 Kxb2 56. Kg5 e3
57. Kf6 e2 58. Kxe6 e1=Q 59. Kf7 a3 60. e6 Ba4 61. Kf6 f4 62. Kf7 Qxh4 63. e7
f3 64. e8=Q Bxe8+ 65. Kxe8 Qf6 66. Kd7 a2 67. Ke8 a1=Q 68. Kd7 Qa7+ 69. Ke8
Qfe7# {smurfo won by checkmate. OK: White=10, Black=13. Weighted Error Value:
White=0.27/Black=0.15 Centipawn loss: w=26/b=14} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Man vs. Machine"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.04.12"]
[Round "5"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "smurfo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2960"]
[BlackElo "2528"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "206"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. Nf3 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} e6 2. b3 d5 3. Bb2 f5 4. g3 Nf6 {OK} 5.
Bg2 {OK} Bd6 {OK} 6. O-O {OK} O-O {OK} 7. c4 c6 {OK} 8. Ne5 Nbd7 {OK} 9. d4 {OK
} a5 10. e3 {OK} Qe7 11. Qc1 Ne4 {OK} 12. f3 {OK} Ng5 13. Kh1 Nxe5 {OK} 14.
dxe5 Bc5 {OK} 15. Bd4 b6 {OK} 16. Bxc5 Qxc5 17. e4 {OK} Nf7 18. cxd5 cxd5 19.
exf5 exf5 20. Qb2 Be6 21. Rac1 Qe7 {OK} 22. f4 Rac8 {OK} 23. Kg1 Rc5 {OK} 24.
Rcd1 {OK} Rfc8 25. Qf2 Nd8 {OK} 26. Rd3 Rc2 27. Qxb6 {OK} Qc5+ {OK} 28. Qxc5 {
Best} R8xc5 29. Rfd1 {OK} Rc1 {OK} 30. a3 Kf7 31. Rxc1 {OK} Rxc1+ 32. Kf2 {OK}
Rc2+ 33. Kf1 {OK} Rc1+ {OK} 34. Ke2 Rc2+ {OK} 35. Rd2 Rxd2+ {OK} 36. Kxd2 Ke7 {
OK} 37. Kc3 Kd7 38. b4 {OK} Kc6 {OK} 39. bxa5 Kb5 40. a4+ {[#]} Kc5 $1 {Strong}
41. Bf1 {OK} Nc6 {OK} 42. a6 {OK} d4+ {Inaccurate} 43. Kd2 {Best} Kb6 {OK} 44.
Bb5 {Best} Nb4 {OK} 45. Bf1 Bb3 {OK} 46. Bd3 {OK} g6 {Inaccurate} 47. a5+ $2 {
Mistake (2.7)} (47. Bb5) 47... Ka7 $19 {OK} 48. Bb5 Be6 {OK} 49. h3 Kb8 50. Be2
Ka7 51. Bb5 Nxa6 52. Kd3 Nc5+ 53. Kxd4 Nb3+ 54. Kd3 Nxa5 55. Be8 Kb6 56. Ke2
Nb3 57. Ke3 Kc5 58. h4 Na5 59. h5 Nc4+ {Black is clearly winning} 60. Kd3 {OK}
gxh5 {OK} 61. Bxh5 Nb2+ 62. Ke3 Nc4+ 63. Kd3 Nb6 64. Ke3 Nd5+ 65. Kd3 Ne7 66.
Be8 Bc4+ 67. Ke3 Be6 68. Kd3 Ng8 69. Ba4 Nh6 70. Bd1 Bd5 71. Ba4 Bc4+ 72. Kd2
Be6 73. Ke2 Kd4 74. Be8 Bc4+ 75. Kf3 Bd5+ 76. Ke2 Be6 77. Kf3 Ng4 78. Ke2 Bc4+
79. Kf3 Bd5+ 80. Ke2 Be6 81. Kf3 Nh6 82. Ke2 Ng4 83. Ba4 Ne3 84. Kf3 Kd3 85.
Bb5+ Kd2 86. Be8 Ng4 87. Bc6 Ke1 88. Bb7 Kf1 89. Ba6+ Kg1 90. Ke2 Kg2 91. Kd2
Kxg3 92. Kd3 Kxf4 93. Kd4 Nxe5 94. Bb5 h5 95. Kc5 h4 96. Kb6 h3 97. Kb7 h2 98.
Kc7 h1=Q 99. Kd6 Qd5+ 100. Kc7 Qxb5 101. Kd6 Qc6+ 102. Ke7 Qd7+ 103. Kf6 Qf7# {
smurfo won by checkmate. Strong: Black=1 Best: White=3 OK: White=17, Black=27
Inaccurate: Black=2 Mistake: White=1. Weighted Error Value: White=0.21/Black=0.
15 Centipawn loss: w=21/b=15} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Man vs. Machine"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.04.12"]
[Round "6"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "smurfo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2960"]
[BlackElo "2528"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "170"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. d4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Qc2 c6 5. Bg5
Be7 {OK} 6. e3 {OK} O-O {OK} 7. Be2 d5 {OK} 8. Rb1 a5 9. Rc1 Ne4 10. Bxe7 Qxe7
11. O-O {OK} Nd7 {OK} 12. b3 {OK} Ndf6 13. Nd1 Bd7 14. f3 {OK} Nd6 15. c5 {OK}
Nf7 {OK} 16. f4 {OK} Ne4 17. Nf2 Nxf2 {OK} 18. Rxf2 b6 {OK} 19. cxb6 {OK} Rfb8
{OK} 20. Qc5 Qd8 {OK} 21. Bd1 Qxb6 {OK} 22. Qxb6 Rxb6 23. h3 Nd6 {OK} 24. g4
Ne4 25. Rh2 Kf7 {OK} 26. Kf1 Ra7 27. Bc2 Nd6 {OK} 28. Kg1 Bc8 29. g5 Ba6 {OK}
30. h4 Ke7 {OK} 31. h5 {OK} Rc7 32. Bb1 Kd7 {OK} 33. Rf2 Rb8 {Black is clearly
winning} 34. Rc5 Nb7 {OK} 35. Rcc2 c5 {OK} 36. dxc5 Rxc5 37. Rxc5 Nxc5 38. Rd2
Kd6 39. Rg2 Rc8 40. Rc2 Ne4 41. Rxc8 Bxc8 42. a3 h6 43. Bd3 Bd7 44. Bc2 Be8 45.
gxh6 gxh6 46. Bd1 Kc5 47. Kg2 Bb5 48. Bc2 Be2 49. Kh2 Bxh5 50. Bd3 Bd1 51. Ba6
Bxb3 52. Kh3 Bd1 53. Bc8 Kd6 54. Ba6 Nd2 55. Kh4 Nc4 56. Kg3 Nxe3 57. Bd3 d4
58. Kf2 h5 59. Kg3 Bg4 60. Kh4 Ng2+ 61. Kg3 Ne1 62. Bc4 Nf3 63. Kf2 h4 64. Bf1
Nd2 65. Bd3 Ne4+ 66. Kf1 h3 67. Kg1 Bf3 68. Bc4 Bg2 69. Bd3 Nc5 70. Be2 d3 71.
Bh5 d2 72. Bd1 Ne4 73. Kh2 Nc3 74. Bb3 d1=Q 75. Bxd1 Nxd1 76. a4 Ne3 77. Kg1
Nf1 78. Kf2 Bd5 79. Kxf1 h2 80. Kf2 h1=Q 81. Ke2 Qf3+ 82. Kd2 Be4 83. Ke1 Qg2
84. Kd1 Qf2 85. Kc1 Qc2# {smurfo won by checkmate. OK: White=8, Black=18.
Weighted Error Value: White=0.10/Black=0.06 Centipawn loss: w=11/b=6} 0-1

[/pgn]

[Uri Blass]

I see that the average error of smerdon was the same as komodo and it is clear that komodo is stronger than smerdon.

It supports my theory that the winner tend to do less mistakes so if you give the human material odd that is big enough for him to usually win then he is going to do less mistakes.

chessqueen is not a GM but he played with odds that are bigger than knight odds.
I do not claim that chessqueen did not cheat but only that you can expect lower average for odd matches when the human win every game(in the case of smerdon it was almost every game because smerdon lost the first game).

My point is that if you want to prove cheating then you need to show that humans who are at a level when they win in similiar conditions have a bigger average.

I do not think that you need to be a GM to win all games in similiar conditions(more than knight odd when you do not play against dragon but only against weaker komodo)

Edit:Note that I see that smerdon won the centi-pawn race in every game when he won.
The average is the same only because of the single game that he lost because the handicap was not enough for 6-0 score for him.

[mwyoung]

I see that the average error of smerdon was the same as komodo and it is clear that komodo is stronger than smerdon.

It supports my theory that the winner tend to do less mistakes so if you give the human material odd that is big enough for him to usually win then he is going to do less mistakes.

chessqueen is not a GM but he played with odds that are bigger than knight odds.
I do not claim that chessqueen did not cheat but only that you can expect lower average for odd matches when the human win every game(in the case of smerdon it was almost every game because smerdon lost the first game).

My point is that if you want to prove cheating then you need to show that humans who are at a level when they win in similiar conditions have a bigger average.

I do not think that you need to be a GM to win all games in similiar conditions(more than knight odd when you do not play against dragon but only against weaker komodo)

Edit:Note that I see that smerdon won the centi-pawn race in every game when he won.
The average is the same only because of the single game that he lost because the handicap was not enough for 6-0 score for him.

It does not support your theory. A score of 15 or higher is expected from a GM player. You just ignored everything.
And this was also the same positions repeating. And mistakes were made in the games. Unlike chessqueen who made ZERO!

So now you want to throw out data of the match, and cherry pick.....

This supports Centipawn analysis.

And you are clueless here. This is not a comparison of players of this match. One has nothing to do with the other. This is determining if a players precision is above expected human norms. Based on the stats of the best players in the world. Everything else is just a bonus. Who played better, and who is the stronger and more accurate player.

GM Smerdon played within humans norms as shown by the results. Chessqueen did not and played way outside expected human norms of a GM Player. And Chessqueen is not a GM.

More results coming.