20 years of Computer Chess

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modolief
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20 years of Computer Chess

Post by modolief »

There was a fascinating post by Kai Laskos from November of 2012 called "10 years of Computer Chess" in which he took the top engine of the day, Houdini 3, and pitted it against the top engine from 10 years before that, Shredder 7.04. At a time control of 1'1" the score was a stunning 99.5 to 0.5. Even playing 200 more games, this win rate held up. Someone on the original discussion thread (Vinvin) said "I hope the trend will continue for the next 10 years :-)". I was so intrigued by this comment that I made a note to check again in 10 years. Well ... here we are almost 10 years later! I'm wondering if Kai or others would like to repeat this experiment sometime this year to see how the current top engines stack up.

Original thread (though somewhat damaged by time):

https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45902
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Re: 20 years of Computer Chess

Post by Vinvin »

Some tests with time handicap, one year ago (2021) : forum3/viewtopic.php?p=845823#p845823
And matches from Laskos 5 years ago (2017) : forum3/viewtopic.php?p=703278#p703278
Another reference is handicap matches from mehmet1921 in 2019 : forum3/viewtopic.php?p=820981#p820981
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Re: 20 years of Computer Chess

Post by mehmet123 »

modolief wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:25 am if Kai or others would like to repeat this experiment sometime this year to see how the current top engines stack up.
Last year I made two matches like this consept.
15 years and 10 years changes in computer chess.
forum3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74518&start=150

forum3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74518&start=160
modolief
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Re: 20 years of Computer Chess

Post by modolief »

I find this 2012 comment from Kai Laskos quite interesting:
Observing the games, Houdini outplays Shredder in the opening, if not finished, in the middlegame, and if not finished, then surely in the endgame. Tremendous achievement in these less than 10 years.
How to describe today's top engine victories over Houdini 3 in a similar match?
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Re: 20 years of Computer Chess

Post by jdart »

Stockfish was on version 2 or 3 I think 10 years ago. So that was already a respectable engine, but the advances in 10 years are very considerable. The recent improvements due to NNUE alone are probably worth 200 rating points or so, and of course there has been other progress in the past 10 years.
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Re: 20 years of Computer Chess

Post by Chessqueen »

jdart wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:39 pm Stockfish was on version 2 or 3 I think 10 years ago. So that was already a respectable engine, but the advances in 10 years are very considerable. The recent improvements due to NNUE alone are probably worth 200 rating points or so, and of course there has been other progress in the past 10 years.
NNUE no more than 100 rating points
Forget about memorization of Opening Theories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN3381sdcdY