[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-HFVHK2B"]
[Date "2022.04.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mike Sherwin"]
[Black "Stockfish_15_x64_avx2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "E11"]
[Opening "Bogo-Indian"]
[Time "11:50:07"]
[Variation "4.Bd2 Be7 5.g3 d5 6.Bg2 O-O 7.O-O c6 8.Qc2 b6"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "30+30"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. d4 Nf6 {(Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 e7-e6 c2-c4 d7-d5 Nb1-c3 Bf8-e7 Bc1-f4 O-O e2-e3
c7-c5 d4xc5 Be7xc5 c4xd5 Nf6xd5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 a2-a3 Nb8-c6 Bf1-d3 Bc5-d6
Bf4xd6 Qd8xd6 O-O Rf8-d8 Ra1-c1 Qd6-f6 b2-b4 Bc8-g4 Bd3-e2 d5-d4 Nf3xd4
Bg4xe2 Qd1xe2 Nc6xd4 e3xd4 Qf6xd4) -0.12/37 7} 2. c4 e6 {(e7-e6 Ng1-f3
d7-d5 Nb1-c3 Bf8-b4 Qd1-a4+ Nb8-c6 e2-e3 O-O Bc1-d2 d5xc4 Bf1xc4 Bb4-d6
Qa4-c2 e6-e5 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 f2-f4 Be5xc3 Bd2xc3 Nf6-g4 Bc3-d4
c7-c5 Bd4xc5 Rf8-e8 O-O Ng4xe3 Bc5xe3 Re8xe3 Qc2-f2 Qd8-b6 Rf1-e1 Re3xe1+
Ra1xe1 Qb6xf2+ Kg1xf2 Kg8-f8 Bc4-d5 Bc8-f5 Re1-c1) -0.21/34 5} 3. Nf3 d5
{(d7-d5 g2-g3 Bf8-b4+ Bc1-d2 Bb4-e7 Bf1-g2 O-O O-O c7-c6 Qd1-c2 b7-b6
Nf3-e5 Bc8-b7 c4xd5 c6xd5 Rf1-c1 Nf6-e4 a2-a3 Ne4-d6 Qc2-d1 Nb8-d7 Ne5-c6
Bb7xc6 Rc1xc6 Ra8-c8 Rc6xc8 Qd8xc8 Bd2-b4 Nd7-f6 Nb1-d2 Qc8-b7 e2-e3 g7-g6
Ra1-c1 Rf8-c8 Rc1xc8+ Nd6xc8 Bb4xe7 Qb7xe7 Bg2-f1 Nc8-d6) -0.04/40 9} 4. g3
Bb4+ {(Bf8-b4+ Bc1-d2 Bb4-e7 Qd1-c2 O-O Bf1-g2 c7-c6 O-O b7-b6 Nb1-c3
Nb8-d7 c4xd5 c6xd5 e2-e3 Bc8-b7 Rf1-c1 a7-a6 Qc2-d1 Nf6-e4 Rc1-c2 Ne4xd2
Nf3xd2 Ra8-c8 Ra1-c1 g7-g6 a2-a3 Kg8-g7 Nc3-e2 Rc8xc2 Qd1xc2 Be7-d6 e3-e4
d5xe4 Bg2xe4) -0.14/40 17} 5. Bd2 Be7 {(Bb4-e7 Bf1-g2 c7-c6 O-O O-O Qd1-c2
b7-b6 Bd2-f4 Bc8-b7 Rf1-d1 Nb8-d7 Nb1-c3 d5xc4 Nf3-d2 Nf6-d5 Nd2xc4 Nd5xf4
g3xf4 Qd8-c7 e2-e3 Ra8-c8 Ra1-c1 Rf8-d8 f4-f5 e6xf5 Qc2xf5 g7-g6 Qf5-f3
Bb7-a6 b2-b3 Kg8-g7 e3-e4 Be7-g5 Rc1-c2 Nd7-f8 Bg2-h3 Nf8-e6 Bh3xe6 f7xe6
e4-e5) -0.10/39 15} 6. Bg2 c6 {(c7-c6) -0.03/40 54} 7. Qc2 O-O {(O-O O-O
b7-b6 Nb1-c3 Nb8-d7 c4xd5 c6xd5 Rf1-c1 Bc8-b7 Bg2-f1 h7-h6 e2-e3 Qd8-b8
Qc2-d1 Rf8-c8 a2-a3 Nf6-e4 Qd1-a4 Ne4xd2 Nf3xd2 Rc8-c7 Nc3-a2 a7-a6 Rc1xc7
Qb8xc7 Ra1-c1 Qc7-d8 Na2-b4 Be7-d6 Qa4-d1 Qd8-e8 Qd1-b3 a6-a5) -0.06/39 19}
8. O-O b6 {(b7-b6 Nb1-c3 Nb8-d7 c4xd5 c6xd5 Rf1-c1 Bc8-b7 Qc2-d1 Ra8-c8
Bg2-f1 Nf6-e4 Bd2-e1 Rc8-c7 a2-a4 h7-h6 e2-e3 Ne4xc3 Be1xc3 a7-a5 Bc3-d2
Rc7xc1 Ra1xc1 Qd8-b8 Bf1-b5 Nd7-f6 Nf3-e5 Be7-d6 Ne5-d3 Rf8-c8 b2-b4 a5xb4
Bd2-e1 Qb8-a8 Nd3xb4 Rc8xc1 Qd1xc1 Nf6-e4 Qc1-a1 Ne4-f6 Nb4-d3) -0.07/40
16} 9. cxd5 cxd5 {(c6xd5 Rf1-c1 Bc8-b7 Nf3-e5 Nf6-e4 a2-a3 Ne4-d6 Bd2-b4
Nb8-a6 e2-e3 Na6xb4 a3xb4 Ra8-c8 Nb1-c3 a7-a6 Qc2-d1 Be7-f6 Ne5-d3 Rf8-e8
Bg2-f1 Nd6-c4 b4-b5 a6-a5 b2-b3 Nc4-d6 b3-b4 a5xb4 Nd3xb4 Re8-e7 Ra1-a7
Re7-c7 Nc3-a2 Rc7xc1 Na2xc1 Rc8-c7 Nc1-a2) -0.11/37 18} 10. Nc3 Nc6
{(Nb8-c6 Rf1-c1 Bc8-b7 Qc2-a4 Nf6-e4 Bd2-e1 Ra8-c8 e2-e3 Qd8-d7 Qa4-d1
Rf8-d8 Nc3-b5 Rc8-a8 Nf3-d2 Ne4xd2 Be1xd2 Ra8-c8 Bd2-e1 Be7-f8 Bg2-f1 g7-g6
h2-h4 h7-h5 a2-a4 Kg8-g7 Qd1-b3 Kg7-g8) 0.00/43 32} 11. a3 Bb7 {(Bc8-b7
Rf1-c1) +0.01/37 18} 12. Bg5 h6 {(h7-h6 Bg5xf6 Be7xf6 e2-e3 Nc6-a5 Rf1-c1
Ra8-c8 Bg2-f1 Qd8-d7 b2-b3 Rf8-d8 Ra1-b1 g7-g5 Qc2-b2 Bf6-g7 Nc3-e2 Qd7-e7
Rc1xc8 Rd8xc8 Rb1-c1 Bg7-f8 Rc1xc8 Bb7xc8 a3-a4 Na5-c6 Qb2-c2 Bc8-d7 Ne2-c1
Qe7-d8 h2-h4 Nc6-b4 Qc2-d1 f7-f6 Nc1-d3 Nb4-c6 Nf3-e1 Bd7-e8 h4xg5 h6xg5
Nd3-b2 Be8-g6) +0.20/40 45} 13. Bxf6 Bxf6 {(Be7xf6 e2-e3 Nc6-a5 Rf1-c1
Ra8-c8 Bg2-f1 Qd8-d7 Qc2-d1 Na5-c4 b2-b3 Nc4-a5 Qd1-c2 Rf8-d8 Ra1-b1 Rc8-c7
h2-h4 Rd8-c8 Qc2-b2 Qd7-e8 Rb1-a1 Bf6-e7 Nf3-e5 Be7-d6 b3-b4 Na5-c4 Ne5xc4
d5xc4 Qb2-e2 a7-a6 Bf1-g2 Bb7xg2 Kg1xg2 b6-b5 Ra1-b1 Qe8-c6+ Qe2-f3)
+0.16/38 10} 14. e3 Na5 {(Nc6-a5 Rf1-c1 Ra8-c8 Bg2-f1 Qd8-d7 b2-b3 Rf8-d8
Ra1-b1 Rc8-c7 Qc2-b2 Rd8-c8 Rb1-a1 g7-g5 Nc3-a2 Rc7xc1 Ra1xc1 Rc8xc1 Na2xc1
Bf6-e7 a3-a4 Be7-d6 h2-h4 Qd7-e7 h4xg5 h6xg5 Qb2-c2 Qe7-f6 Qc2-d1 Na5-c6
Bf1-b5 Kg8-g7 Nc1-d3 Qf6-f5 Bb5xc6) +0.12/37 19} 15. Nd2 Rc8 {(Ra8-c8
Rf1-e1 Qd8-d7 b2-b4 Na5-c4 Nd2xc4 Rc8xc4 Bg2-f1 Rc4-c7 Qc2-b2 a7-a6 Nc3-a2
Rf8-c8 Ra1-c1 Bf6-d8 Rc1xc7 Bd8xc7 Re1-c1 g7-g6 Bf1-d3 Kg8-g7 Bd3-f1 Bc7-d6
Rc1xc8 Bb7xc8 Na2-c1 Qd7-c7 Nc1-b3 Bd6-e7 h2-h4 Qc7-b7 Qb2-d2 Be7-d6
Qd2-d3) +0.19/41 62} 16. Qd3 Qd7 {(Qd8-d7 Rf1-c1) +0.16/37 23} 17. Rac1 Rc7
{(Rc8-c7 Nc3-e2 Rf8-c8 Rc1xc7 Rc8xc7 Rf1-c1 Bb7-c6 Qd3-b1 Qd7-c8 Rc1-c2
Na5-b7 Ne2-f4 Nb7-d6 Nf4-d3 Bc6-e8 Rc2xc7 Qc8xc7 Bg2-f3 g7-g5 Qb1-d1 Kg8-g7
Nd2-b1 Bf6-d8 Nb1-c3 Nd6-c4 Qd1-c2 Qc7-d7 Bf3-e2 a7-a6 Qc2-d1 Bd8-e7
Qd1-c1) +0.20/46 40} 18. Ne2 Rxc1 {(Rc7xc1 Rf1xc1 Na5-c4 Rc1-c2 Rf8-c8
Ne2-f4 Nc4-d6 Rc2xc8+ Qd7xc8 Qd3-b1 Bb7-c6 Qb1-c1 Bf6-e7 Bg2-f3 Qc8-b7
Nd2-b1 Bc6-e8 Nf4-d3 g7-g6 Bf3-e2 Kg8-g7 Nd3-e5 g6-g5 Nb1-c3 Be7-d8 Ne5-d3
Qb7-c6 Nd3-e5 Qc6-c7 Qc1-d1 Qc7-b7 Qd1-d2 Qb7-b8 Qd2-d1 Bd8-f6 Ne5-g4
Bf6-e7 Ng4-e5 f7-f6 Ne5-d3) +0.16/47 18} 19. Rxc1 Nc4 {(Na5-c4 Rc1-c2
Rf8-c8 Ne2-f4 Nc4-d6 Rc2xc8+ Qd7xc8 Qd3-b1 Bb7-c6 Qb1-c1 Bf6-e7 Nf4-d3
Qc8-b7 Bg2-f1 Bc6-e8 Bf1-e2 g7-g6 Nd2-b1 Kg8-g7 Qc1-c2 Be7-d8 Nd3-e5 a7-a5
Qc2-c1 Qb7-a7 Qc1-c2 Bd8-f6 Ne5-d3 Qa7-b7 Qc2-c1 Kg7-g8 Nb1-c3 Qb7-b8
Nc3-b1 Bf6-e7 Nd3-e5 Kg8-g7 Nb1-c3 b6-b5 Ne5-d3 b5-b4 a3xb4 a5xb4 Nc3-b1
Be8-b5) +0.16/45 20} 20. Nxc4 dxc4 {(d5xc4 Qd3-c2 Bb7xg2 Kg1xg2 b6-b5
Ne2-c3 g7-g6 Qc2-e4 Kg8-g7 Qe4-g4 Rf8-c8 Qg4-f3 Rc8-b8 Nc3-e4 Bf6-e7 Ne4-c3
Qd7-c7 Qf3-e4 a7-a6 h2-h3 Rb8-d8 Rc1-g1 Be7-d6 Rg1-c1 Qc7-d7 Rc1-d1 Qd7-c8
Qe4-f3 Bd6-e7 Qf3-e4 Be7-f6 Rd1-h1 Rd8-h8 Qe4-f4 Qc8-d7 Rh1-d1 Rh8-d8
Rd1-c1 h6-h5 Rc1-d1 Rd8-c8 g3-g4) +0.10/45 63} 21. Qc2 Bxg2 {(Bb7xg2 Kg1xg2
b6-b5 Ne2-c3 Rf8-b8 h2-h3 Rb8-d8 Qc2-e4 g7-g6 Qe4-f4 Kg8-g7 Nc3-e4 Bf6-e7
Ne4-c3 Be7-d6 Qf4-e4 a7-a6 Rc1-d1 Qd7-c8 Qe4-f3 Bd6-e7 Qf3-e4 Qc8-c7 Qe4-f3
Qc7-b6 Qf3-e4 Be7-f6 Qe4-f3 a6-a5 Rd1-c1 e6-e5 d4-d5 e5-e4 Qf3xe4 Qb6-c5
Qe4-c2 b5-b4 a3xb4 a5xb4 Nc3-e4 Qc5xd5) +0.10/41 12} 22. Kxg2 b5 {(b6-b5
Ne2-c3 Rf8-b8 h2-h3 a7-a6 h3-h4 Bf6-e7 Qc2-d1 Be7-f8 Kg2-g1 Qd7-c6 Qd1-c2
Rb8-d8 Qc2-e4 Qc6-d7 Qe4-g4 Bf8-e7 Qg4-h5 Qd7-c6 Rc1-d1 Qc6-b7 Qh5-e5
Be7-d6 Qe5-h5 Bd6-f8 Qh5-e5 g7-g6 h4-h5 Bf8-g7 Qe5-f4 g6-g5 Qf4-e4 Qb7xe4
Nc3xe4 e6-e5 d4-d5 f7-f5 Ne4-c5 e5-e4 Rd1-d2 Bg7-e5 Nc5xa6) +0.12/42 12}
23. a4 a6 {(a7-a6 a4xb5 a6xb5 b2-b3 Rf8-c8 b3xc4 Qd7-b7+ Kg2-g1 Rc8xc4
Qc2-b3 Rc4xc1+ Ne2xc1 Bf6-e7 h2-h4 Qb7-a6 Nc1-d3 b5-b4 d4-d5 e6xd5 Qb3xd5
g7-g6 Nd3-e5 Qa6-f6 Ne5-c6 Be7-f8 Nc6-d4 h6-h5 Qd5-c4 Qf6-d8 Kg1-f1 Qd8-a8
Kf1-e2 Qa8-a1 Nd4-b3 Qa1-a2+ Ke2-e1 Qa2-b2 Nb3-d2 Bf8-e7 Nd2-b3 Qb2-a3
Ke1-e2 Be7-f6) +0.31/44 17} 24. axb5 axb5 {(a6xb5 b2-b3 Rf8-c8 b3xc4
Qd7-b7+ Kg2-g1 Rc8xc4 Qc2-d3 Qb7-a6 Rc1-b1 Bf6-e7 d4-d5 b5-b4 d5xe6 Qa6xe6
Rb1-a1 Qe6-c6 Ra1-a8+ Qc6xa8 Qd3xc4 Qa8-a1+ Kg1-g2 g7-g6 Ne2-d4 Qa1-a8+
Kg2-g1 Qa8-e4 h2-h4 h6-h5 Kg1-f1 Qe4-b1+ Kf1-e2 Qb1-b2+ Ke2-f3 Be7-f8
Nd4-b3 Qb2-a2 Kf3-g2 Qa2-a8+ Kg2-f1 Qa8-h1+ Kf1-e2 Qh1-b1 Nb3-d2 Qb1-b2
Qc4-d5 Qb2-c2 Qd5-c4 Qc2xc4+ Nd2xc4 Kg8-g7 Nc4-d2 Kg7-f6) +0.29/49 17} 25.
b3 Rc8 {(Rf8-c8 b3xc4 Rc8xc4 Qc2-e4 Rc4xc1 Ne2xc1 b5-b4 Nc1-b3 Qd7-b5
Qe4-a8+ Kg8-h7 Qa8-f3 Bf6-e7 Qf3xf7 Qb5-d5+ e3-e4 Qd5xe4+ Qf7-f3 Qe4-f5
Qf3-c6 Kh7-g6 h2-h3 Kg6-f7 Nb3-d2 Qf5-g5 Qc6-f3+ Kf7-g6 Qf3-e4+ Qg5-f5
Qe4-b7 Qf5-d5+ Qb7xd5 e6xd5 Kg2-f3 Be7-g5 Nd2-b3 Kg6-f5 Kf3-e2 Kf5-e4
f2-f3+ Ke4-f5 Ke2-d3 h6-h5 Nb3-a1 h5-h4 g3xh4 Bg5-e7 Na1-c2 Kf5-e6 Nc2-e3
Be7xh4 Ne3-g2 Bh4-f2) +0.28/46 17} 26. bxc4 Rxc4 {(Rc8xc4) +0.29/55 118}
27. Qb2 Qc6+ {(Qd7-c6+ Kg2-g1 b5-b4 h2-h4 g7-g6 Qb2-b1 Bf6-g7 Qb1-b2 Bg7-f8
Rc1xc4 Qc6xc4 Ne2-c1 Qc4-c3 Qb2-b1 Bf8-d6 Nc1-b3 e6-e5 d4xe5 Bd6xe5 Qb1-d1
Qc3-c4 Nb3-a5 Qc4-e4 Na5-b3 Be5-c3 Kg1-h2 Bc3-f6 Kh2-g1 Qe4-f5 Kg1-f1
Bf6-c3 Kf1-g1 Kg8-g7 Kg1-g2 Kg7-h7 Kg2-g1 h6-h5 Kg1-f1 Qf5-e4 Kf1-g1 Bc3-e5
Nb3-c5 Qe4-c6 Nc5-b3 Qc6-c4 Nb3-a5 Qc4-b5 Na5-b3 Kh7-g7) +0.68/51 10} 28.
Kg1 b4 {(b5-b4 h2-h4 g7-g6 Rc1xc4 Qc6xc4 Ne2-c1 e6-e5 d4xe5 Bf6xe5 Qb2-b1
h6-h5 Nc1-b3 Qc4-e2 Kg1-g2 Qe2-b5 Qb1-c2 Qb5-d5+ Kg2-g1 Qd5-f3 Qc2-d3
Be5-f6 Nb3-c5 Qf3-c6 Nc5-b3 Bf6-c3 Kg1-f1 Kg8-h7 Kf1-g1 Kh7-g7 Qd3-d1
Qc6-c4 Qd1-c2 Kg7-f6 Qc2-d1 Kf6-e5 Qd1-c2 Qc4-d5 Qc2-b1 Ke5-f6 Qb1-c2
Qd5-f5 Qc2-d1 Kf6-g7 Kg1-f1 Bc3-f6 Kf1-g1 Qf5-g4 Qd1-d6 Qg4-c4 Qd6-d1)
+0.63/48 11} 29. Rxc4 Qxc4 {(Qc6xc4 h2-h4 g7-g6 Ne2-c1 e6-e5 d4xe5 Bf6xe5
Qb2-b1 Kg8-g7 Nc1-b3 Qc4-e2 Kg1-g2 Be5-f6 Qb1-e4 Qe2-b5 Kg2-g1 Bf6-c3
Kg1-g2 h6-h5 Qe4-c2 Qb5-d5+ Kg2-g1 Qd5-f5 Qc2-a2 Bc3-e5 Kg1-g2 Qf5-e4+
Kg2-g1 Qe4-d5 Qa2-c2 Kg7-g8 Qc2-b1 Qd5-c4 Kg1-g2 Be5-c3 Qb1-c2 Qc4-d5+
Kg2-g1 Bc3-e1 Nb3-d4 Kg8-h7 Nd4-b3 Qd5-e6 Nb3-c1 Be1-c3 Qc2-d3 Kh7-g7
Kg1-f1 Kg7-g8 Kf1-g1 Qe6-c6) +0.58/49 23} 30. Nc1 e5 {(e6-e5 d4xe5 Bf6xe5
Qb2-b1 g7-g6 h2-h4 h6-h5 Nc1-b3 Qc4-e2 Kg1-g2 Be5-c3 Qb1-e4 Qe2-b5 Qe4-a8+
Kg8-g7 Qa8-e4 Qb5-f5 Qe4-a8 Qf5-d3 Qa8-a2 Qd3-d5+ Kg2-g1 Qd5-c4 Qa2-c2
Kg7-f6 Qc2-a2 Kf6-e7 Qa2-c2 Qc4-d5 Qc2-a2 Qd5-f5 Kg1-g2 Qf5-d7 Qa2-a8
Qd7-b5 Qa8-a7+ Ke7-f6 Qa7-a2 Qb5-d5+ Kg2-h2 Qd5-f3 Kh2-g1 Qf3-f5 Kg1-g2
Qf5-e6 Qa2-b1 Kf6-g7 Qb1-a2 Qe6-c6+ Kg2-g1 Kg7-g8) +0.62/54 36} 31. dxe5
Bxe5 {(Bf6xe5 Qb2-b1 h6-h5 h2-h4 g7-g6 Nc1-d3 Be5-c3 Nd3-c1 Qc4-a6 Nc1-b3
Qa6-e2 Nb3-c5 Qe2-b5 Nc5-b3 Qb5-d5 Qb1-c2 Kg8-h7 Qc2-b1 Bc3-f6 Qb1-c2
Bf6-e5 Qc2-b1 Be5-c3 Qb1-c2 Bc3-f6 Qc2-b1 Kh7-g8 Qb1-c2 Qd5-b5 Qc2-c8+
Kg8-g7 Qc8-c2 Bf6-e5 Qc2-d1 Qb5-c4 Qd1-b1 Qc4-e2 Kg1-g2 Be5-c3 Qb1-e4
Qe2-b5 Qe4-c2 Qb5-f5 Qc2-d1 Qf5-e4+ Kg2-g1 Bc3-e5 Qd1-e1 Qe4-g4 Qe1-d2)
+0.62/54 22} 32. Qb1 ... {Black forfeits on time} 1-0
[/pgn]
P.S. SF was running using 32 threads at 4GHz on an AMD 3950x
SF15 loses on time but I think I had a draw?
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Re: SF15 loses on time but I think I had a draw?
If stockfish loses on time then your testing setup is bad
dangi12012 wrote:No one wants to touch anything you have posted. That proves you now have negative reputations since everyone knows already you are a forum troll.
Maybe you copied your stockfish commits from someone else too?
I will look into that.
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Re: SF15 loses on time but I think I had a draw?
+1; Or your machine was wildly occupied.
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Re: SF15 loses on time but I think I had a draw?
Occupied by Stockfish, so GUI hanged
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Re: SF15 loses on time but I think I had a draw?
Or maybe there is simply some bug in stockfish that does not happen often that cause it to lose on time.
I do not claim to know there is a bug and I do not know.
There may be a bug that you cannot practically reproduce and happened in the conditions of the game.
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Re: SF15 loses on time but I think I had a draw?
In TCEC Move OVerhead 1000 is used to avoid Stockfish lose on time..
Default 10 Move Overhead will cause Stockfish to run out of time, this has been a case in majority of the cases...

Default 10 Move Overhead will cause Stockfish to run out of time, this has been a case in majority of the cases...