ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Discussion of chess software programming and technical issues.

Moderator: Ras

Viz
Posts: 223
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:24 am
Full name: Michael Chaly

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Viz »

hgm wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:39 am The purpose of a computer chess championship is not to measure the strength of the engines
One caveat - it should be, at least as close as you can do in a tournament format.
If you have any other purposes - don't call it a championship. Call it a "friendly beer drinking showmatch" or anything, just don't call it championship.
Engin
Posts: 993
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:40 pm
Location: Germany
Full name: Engin Üstün

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Engin »

hgm wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:16 pm Sure, but I was talking about the championship. If it cannot produce a winner, it wouldn't be a championship.
but this is the second place :-)
Last edited by Engin on Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Engin
Posts: 993
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:40 pm
Location: Germany
Full name: Engin Üstün

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Engin »

Viz wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:07 pm
hgm wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:39 am The purpose of a computer chess championship is not to measure the strength of the engines
One caveat - it should be, at least as close as you can do in a tournament format.
If you have any other purposes - don't call it a championship. Call it a "friendly beer drinking showmatch" or anything, just don't call it championship.
if i tooked with my Tornado in a World Chess Champion Chip in Mainz 2006 in variant Chess960, i had a lot of fun there, also i played in Leiden at programmers tournament. My goal was never be the 1st place or something else, sure not be the last ones too.

I get a invitation for the WCCC and WCSC in Santiago too, if i want to play this time or the last one time, i will propably going to have fun instead to winning only.

They wrote "Plan to join us in Santiago de Compostela, Spain for a historic celebration of AI and games."

Why not? and Spain is a wonderfull country too :-)
User avatar
hgm
Posts: 28274
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:06 am
Location: Amsterdam
Full name: H G Muller

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by hgm »

Viz wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:07 pm
hgm wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:39 am The purpose of a computer chess championship is not to measure the strength of the engines
One caveat - it should be, at least as close as you can do in a tournament format.
If you have any other purposes - don't call it a championship. Call it a "friendly beer drinking showmatch" or anything, just don't call it championship.
You don't get it. There are other aspects to compter chess than engines. Opening books count. Hardware counts.
Viz
Posts: 223
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:24 am
Full name: Michael Chaly

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Viz »

hgm wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:57 pm
Viz wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:07 pm
hgm wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:39 am The purpose of a computer chess championship is not to measure the strength of the engines
One caveat - it should be, at least as close as you can do in a tournament format.
If you have any other purposes - don't call it a championship. Call it a "friendly beer drinking showmatch" or anything, just don't call it championship.
You don't get it. There are other aspects to compter chess than engines. Opening books count. Hardware counts.
You can argue for opening books but you definitely can't argue for hardware, sorry.
We are not in 1960 where chess engines could run only on specific hardware and wouldn't run on anything else.
With current knowledge any AB engine can run at any sort of modern PC - from phones to supercomputers - and scale as well as any other engine more or less.
So comparing different engines with different hardware is completely pointless because all of them can use hardware almost equally as efficient.
User avatar
Harvey Williamson
Posts: 2021
Joined: Sun May 25, 2008 11:12 pm
Location: Whitchurch. Shropshire, UK.
Full name: Harvey Williamson

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Harvey Williamson »

Viz wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:45 pm all of them can use hardware almost equally as efficient.
And that is done in the WCSC played alongside the WCCC.
Engin
Posts: 993
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:40 pm
Location: Germany
Full name: Engin Üstün

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Engin »

Harvey Williamson wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:20 pm
Viz wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:45 pm all of them can use hardware almost equally as efficient.
And that is done in the WCSC played alongside the WCCC.
where i can register to participate on the WCSC too?
and where i can see who is allready parcipated ?
User avatar
Harvey Williamson
Posts: 2021
Joined: Sun May 25, 2008 11:12 pm
Location: Whitchurch. Shropshire, UK.
Full name: Harvey Williamson

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Harvey Williamson »

Engin wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:27 pm
Harvey Williamson wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:20 pm
Viz wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:45 pm all of them can use hardware almost equally as efficient.
And that is done in the WCSC played alongside the WCCC.
where i can register to participate on the WCSC too?
and where i can see who is allready parcipated ?
I would email Jonathan https://icga.org/?page_id=1023
Engin
Posts: 993
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:40 pm
Location: Germany
Full name: Engin Üstün

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Engin »

Harvey Williamson wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:24 pm
Engin wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:27 pm
Harvey Williamson wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:20 pm
Viz wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:45 pm all of them can use hardware almost equally as efficient.
And that is done in the WCSC played alongside the WCCC.
where i can register to participate on the WCSC too?
and where i can see who is allready parcipated ?
I would email Jonathan https://icga.org/?page_id=1023
allready done, but no answered since yet
Viz
Posts: 223
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:24 am
Full name: Michael Chaly

Re: ICGA WCCC and WCSC in Santiago de Compostela

Post by Viz »

Harvey Williamson wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:20 pm
Viz wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:45 pm all of them can use hardware almost equally as efficient.
And that is done in the WCSC played alongside the WCCC.
Ah yes, that famous WCSC on 8 core laptop with no GPU, indeed.