Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

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Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

Post by Chessqueen »

I noticed that with TCEC super fast computer when there is a slight advantage of+0 .75 uusally the better engine will most likely win with that small advantage. But what I would like to know is which was the losing move for obsidian ?
NOTE: My computer which is like 4 times slower than TCEC does NOT select 10. g4! no matter if I let it think for 30 seconds on that move. :roll:

[pgn][Event "TCEC Season 26 - League 2"]
[Date "2024.03.29"]
[Round "11.5"]
[White "Berserk_20240324_x64_popcnt"]
[Black "Obsidian110-avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3595"]
[ECO "E81"]
[Opening "King's Indian"]
[Time "07:15:05"]
[Variation "Sämisch, 5...O-O 6.Be3 c5 7.Nge2"]
[WhiteElo "3606"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "228"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


{WhiteEngineOptions: 0=[object Object]; 1=[object Object]; 2=[object
Object]; 3=[object Object]; 4=[object Object]; 5=[object Object];,
BlackEngineOptions: 0=[object Object]; 1=[object Object]; 2=[object
Object]; 3=[object Object];} 1. d4 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. c4 {book} g6 {book}
3. Nc3 {book} Bg7 {book} 4. e4 {book} d6 {book} 5. f3 {book} O-O {book} 6.
Be3 {book} e5 {book} 7. d5 {book} c6 {book} 8. Qd2 {d=37, h=21.4, mt=55250,
n=4116568763, ph=0.0, pv=[object Object], s=74509380, sd=58, tb=66,
tl=1747750, wv=0.84} cxd5 {d=34, h=0.0, mt=61489, n=5611966816, ph=0.0,
pv=[object Object], s=91276731, sd=34, tb=93, tl=1741511, wv=0.63} 9. cxd5
Na6 10. Nge2 {(Ng1-e2 Na6-c5 Ne2-c1 Bc8-d7 Nc1-d3 Nc5xd3+ Bf1xd3 Nf6-h5
a2-a4 f7-f5 O-O f5-f4 Be3-f2 g6-g5 h2-h3 Nh5-f6 Nc3-b5 Nf6-e8 Nb5xa7 h7-h5
Bd3-b5 g5-g4 Bb5xd7 Qd8xd7 Qd2-e2 Rf8-f6 Qe2-b5 Qd7-f7 Kg1-h1 Rf6-g6 Ra1-c1
Bg7-f8 a4-a5) +0.74/32 40} *[/pgn]
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

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This was the game played with TCEC Super computer :roll:
[pgn][Event "TCEC Season 26 - League 2"]
[Site "https://tcec-chess.com"]
[Date "2024.03.29"]
[Round "11.5"]
[White "Berserk_20240324_x64_popcnt"]
[Black "Obsidian110-avx2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3595"]
[ECO "E81"]
[Opening "King's Indian"]
[Time "07:15:05"]
[Variation "Sämisch, 5...O-O 6.Be3 c5 7.Nge2"]
[WhiteElo "3606"]
[TimeControl "0+30"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "228"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 e5 7. d5 c6 8. Qd2 cxd5 9. cxd5 Na6 10. g4 Bd7 11. h4 h5 12. g5 Ne8 13. Rb1 Nac7 14. b4 b5 15. Bd3 a5 16. bxa5 Rxa5 17. Nh3 f5 18. Nf2 Ra3 19. Qb2 Qa8 20. O-O Kh7 21. Qb4 fxe4 22. Bxe4 Rf7 23. Rb3 Ra6 24. a4 bxa4 25. Ra3 Bf8 26. Qc4 Qd8 27. Rb1 Ra8 28. Qd3 Bf5 29. Nxa4 Ng7 30. Rbb3 Nce8 31. Kg2 Kg8 32. Qb1 Kh7 33. Qb2 Kh8 34. Rb4 Kg8 35. Rab3 Kh7 36. Rb8 Rxb8 37. Rxb8 Qa5 38. Nc3 Qc7 39. Ne2 Qc4 40. Ng3 Qa4 41. Qb1 Bxe4 42. fxe4 Kh8 43. Qb3 Qa6 44. Nd3 Qa1 45. Nb4 Kh7 46. Nc6 Kg8 47. Rb7 Rxb7 48. Qxb7 Qc3 49. Nd8 Kh7 50. Bb6 Qb2+ 51. Kh3 Qb3 52. Nf7 Ne6 53. dxe6 Qxe6+ 54. Kg2 Ng7 55. Nd8 Qe8 56. Qc7 Be7 57. Nc6 Bf8 58. Nb4 Kh8 59. Nd5 Ne6 60. Qb7 Bg7 61. Be3 Kg8 62. Nh1 Kh8 63. Nf2 Kg8 64. Nf6+ Bxf6 65. gxf6 Qd8 66. Qd5 Qxf6 67. Bg5 Qf7 68. Qxd6 Nxg5 69. hxg5 Kh7 70. Qxe5 Qd7 71. Qf6 Qe8 72. e5 Qa8+ 73. Kg1 Qa1+ 74. Kh2 Qa7 75. e6 Qc7+ 76. Kh3 Qc8 77. Ne4 Qb8 78. Qc3 Qa7 79. Nf6+ Kg7 80. Qd3 Qa4 81. Qd7+ Qxd7 82. exd7 Kf7 83. d8=Q Ke6 84. Kh4 Ke5 85. Qd5+ Kf4 86. Qe4#[/pgn]
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

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Moderation.
Chessqueen, please note that if our tech is unable to filter links and videos out of your signature, moderation will delete the entire post. Alternatively, adjust your signature.
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

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Apparently a link to a video now automatically shows that video in an iframe, in this new phpBB version.

Perhaps this is a good thing. (Although I'd rather have that it required some BBcode tags around it, so that it can be controlled by the user.)

So it seems we have to make (and announce) somewhat stricter rules for people's signatures.

For now I have removed the h t t p : / / from ChessQueen's signature. This prevents the phpBB software from embedding the vido. Interestingly, it still recognizes it as a link, but displays it in clickable version.

In this form it doesn't seem too intrusive.

[Edit] It seems images behave in the same way. With the previous version you needed [ img] tags around those to show up, now it is automatic.
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

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chrisw wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:47 pm Moderation.
Chessqueen, please note that if our tech is unable to filter links and videos out of your signature, moderation will delete the entire post. Alternatively, adjust your signature.
Thanks, I did NOT know, I made adjustment. :roll:
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

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Look's better.
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

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Chessqueen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:56 pm I noticed that with TCEC super fast computer when there is a slight advantage of+0 .75 uusally the better engine will most likely win with that small advantage. But what I would like to know is which was the losing move for obsidian ?
NOTE: My computer which is like 4 times slower than TCEC does NOT select 10. g4! no matter if I let it think for 30 seconds on that move.
My Berserk 20240318 avx2 finds 10. g4 in ~ six seconds and sticks with it.

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      1: Berserk_20240324_x64_popcnt - Obsidian110-avx2 1-0 11.5, https://tcec-chess.com 2024
r1bq1rk1/pp3pbp/n2p1np1/3Pp3/4P3/2N1BP2/PP1Q2PP/R3KBNR w KQ - 0 1

Analysis by Berserk 20240318:

10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.0-0 f5 13.Rac1 a5 14.Rfd1 f4 15.Bf2 Bd7 16.b3 g5 17.h3 
  White is better: +/- (0.79)  Depth: 10/15   00:00:00
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Nd7 12.0-0 f5 13.Rfc1 Nf6 14.Kh1 
  White is better: +/- (0.87)  Depth: 11/15   00:00:00
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 a5 12.Nb5 Ba6 13.a4 Nd7 14.0-0 Nc5 15.Bxc5 dxc5 
  White is better: +/- (0.77)  Depth: 12/20   00:00:00
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.0-0 f5 13.exf5 gxf5 14.f4 Nf6 15.h3 Nh5 16.fxe5 dxe5 
  White is better: +/- (0.87)  Depth: 13/20   00:00:00  513kN
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.h4 h5 13.0-0 Bd7 14.b3 a5 15.Rac1 Rc8 16.Na4 Rxc1 17.Rxc1 f5 18.exf5 Qxh4 19.fxg6 
  White is better: +/- (0.77)  Depth: 14/21   00:00:00  1365kN
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.h4 h5 13.0-0 Bd7 14.b3 a5 15.Rac1 Rc8 16.Rfd1 Kh7 17.Bg5 Qb6+ 18.Kh2 f6 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.70)  Depth: 15/21   00:00:00  1550kN
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.0-0 f5 13.exf5 gxf5 14.f4 Nf6 15.Kh1 a5 16.Rac1 Qe8 17.Ng3 Qg6 18.Nb5 Ba6 19.a4 Bxb5 
  White is better: +/- (0.73)  Depth: 16/23   00:00:00  2386kN
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.h4 h5 13.0-0 Bd7 14.Rac1 f5 15.Bg5 Qb6+ 16.Kh2 Nf6 17.exf5 gxf5 18.Ng3 a5 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.61)  Depth: 17/27   00:00:00  4187kN
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.0-0 f5 13.exf5 gxf5 14.f4 Nf6 15.Kh1 Bd7 16.Ng3 Ng4 17.Bg1 Qh4 18.Nce2 Rab8 19.Rab1 Rf7 20.Rf3 Rb5 21.b3 Nf6 22.fxe5 Rxd5 
  White is better: +/- (0.75)  Depth: 18/30   00:00:00  4654kN
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.0-0 f5 13.exf5 gxf5 14.f4 Nf6 15.Kh1 Bd7 16.Rf3 a5 17.Raf1 Qe7 18.a4 Qf7 19.h3 Kh8 20.Rg1 a6 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.62)  Depth: 19/34   00:00:00  7004kN
10.Bxa6 bxa6 11.Nge2 Ne8 12.0-0 f5 13.exf5 gxf5 14.f4 Nf6 15.Kh1 Bd7 16.Rae1 Nh5 17.Rf3 Rf7 18.Rh3 Nf6 19.Ng3 Qa5 20.Rf1 e4 21.a3 Rc8 22.Bxa7 Ng4 23.Bd4 Bxd4 24.Qxd4 e3 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.66)  Depth: 20/34   00:00:00  8711kN
10.Nge2 Nc5 11.Nc1 Nh5 12.Nd3 Nxd3+ 13.Bxd3 f5 14.exf5 gxf5 15.0-0-0 a6 16.Rhg1 b5 17.Kb1 b4 18.Ne2 f4 19.Bf2 a5 20.g3 fxg3 21.Nxg3 Nf4 22.Be4 Kh8 23.Be3 Nh3 24.Rh1 Bf6 25.Rc1 Bd7 
  White is better: +/- (0.77)  Depth: 21/34   00:00:01  23352kN
10.Nge2 Nc5 11.Nc1 Nh5 12.Nd3 Nxd3+ 13.Bxd3 f5 14.a4 Qh4+ 15.Bf2 Qf4 16.Qxf4 Nxf4 17.Bf1 Bd7 18.g3 Nh5 19.Bb5 Bc8 20.0-0 fxe4 21.Nxe4 Bh3 22.Rfc1 Rxf3 23.Rc7 Nf6 24.Nxd6 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.69)  Depth: 22/34   00:00:01  28158kN
10.Nge2 Bd7 11.Nc1 Nh5 12.Nd3 f5 13.Be2 Bf6 14.0-0 f4 15.Bf2 Bh4 16.Bxh4 Qxh4 17.Nf2 Qd8 18.Nb5 Bxb5 19.Bxb5 Qb6 20.Be2 Rfc8 21.Rfc1 Nf6 22.Bxa6 bxa6 23.Rc3 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.68)  Depth: 23/40   00:00:01  38651kN
10.Nge2 Bd7 11.Ng3 h5 12.Bxa6 bxa6 13.Nge2 h4 14.0-0-0 a5 15.Kb1 Qc7 16.Ka1 Rfc8 17.g4 Qb7 18.Rb1 Rab8 19.Nc1 Ne8 20.a3 Nc7 21.N1a2 Nb5 22.Nxb5 Bxb5 23.Nc3 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.64)  Depth: 24/40   00:00:02  62364kN
10.Nge2 Bd7 11.Ng3 h5 12.Bxa6 bxa6 13.Nge2 h4 14.0-0-0 a5 15.Kb1 Qc7 16.Ka1 Rfc8 17.g4 Qb7 18.Rb1 Rab8 19.Nc1 Ne8 20.a3 Nc7 21.N1a2 Nb5 22.Nxb5 Bxb5 23.Nc3 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.68 ++)  Depth: 25/40   00:00:03  85985kN
10.Nge2 Bd7 11.Ng3 h5 12.Bxa6 bxa6 13.Nge2 Nh7 14.0-0 f5 15.exf5 gxf5 16.f4 Qe8 17.Kh1 Qg6 18.Qd3 Bc8 19.Ng1 e4 20.Qe2 h4 21.Qf2 Bd7 22.Qxh4 Rab8 23.Rab1 Bf6 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.65)  Depth: 25/40   00:00:03  105MN
10.Nge2 Bd7 11.Ng3 h5 12.Bxa6 bxa6 13.Nge2 Nh7 14.0-0 f5 15.exf5 gxf5 16.f4 Qe8 17.Kh1 Qg6 18.Qd3 Bc8 19.Rad1 Nf6 20.fxe5 dxe5 21.Ng3 Ng4 22.d6 Nxe3 23.Qxe3 h4 24.Nd5 Qxd6 25.Qg5 Qh6 26.Qxh6 Bxh6 27.Nxf5 Bxf5 28.Rxf5 Rxf5 29.Ne7+ Kh8 30.Nxf5 Bg5 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.70)  Depth: 26/42   00:00:03  113MN
10.Nge2 Bd7 11.Ng3 h5 12.Bxa6 bxa6 13.Nge2 Nh7 14.0-0 f5 15.exf5 gxf5 16.f4 Qe8 17.Kh1 Qg6 18.Qd3 Bc8 19.Rad1 Nf6 20.fxe5 dxe5 21.Ng3 Ng4 22.d6 Nxe3 23.Qxe3 h4 24.Nd5 Qxd6 25.Qg5 Qh6 26.Qxh6 Bxh6 27.Nxf5 Bxf5 28.Rxf5 Rxf5 29.Ne7+ Kh8 30.Nxf5 Bg5 
  White is better: +/- (0.74 ++)  Depth: 27/37   00:00:04  141MN
10.Nge2 Bd7 11.g4 h5 12.gxh5 Nxh5 13.Ng3 Nf4 14.h4 Rc8 15.Bxa6 bxa6 16.0-0-0 Qa5 17.Kb1 Bh3 18.Rdg1 Bg2 19.Rxg2 Nxg2 20.Qxg2 Rxc3 21.Bd2 Rb8 22.Bxc3 Qxc3 23.h5 a5 24.hxg6 fxg6 25.Ka1 Qd4 26.Qc2 Qe3 27.Qc7 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.66)  Depth: 27/39   00:00:04  142MN
10.g4 
  White is better: +/- (0.74 ++)  Depth: 28/43   00:00:06  194MN
10.g4 
  White is better: +/- (0.79 ++)  Depth: 28/43   00:00:06  209MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Kb1 Bd7 14.Nge2 a6 15.Ng3 Nf4 16.h4 Rc8 17.Rc1 Qa5 18.h5 b5 19.Qh2 Na4 20.Nxa4 Qxa4 21.hxg6 Rxc1+ 22.Bxc1 fxg6 23.Ne2 Rc8 24.Nxf4 exf4 25.Bd3 Qd4 26.Bc2 
  White is better: +/- (0.81)  Depth: 28/44   00:00:07  229MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Kb1 Bd7 14.Nge2 a6 15.Ng3 Nf4 16.h4 Rc8 17.Rc1 Qa5 18.h5 b5 19.Qh2 Na4 20.Nxa4 Qxa4 21.hxg6 Rxc1+ 22.Bxc1 fxg6 23.Ne2 Rc8 24.Nxf4 exf4 25.Bd3 Qd4 26.Bc2 
  White is better: +/- (0.83 ++)  Depth: 29/45   00:00:08  253MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Kb1 Bd7 14.Nge2 a6 15.Ng3 Nf4 16.h4 Rc8 17.Rc1 Qa5 18.h5 b5 19.Qh2 Na4 20.Nxa4 Qxa4 21.hxg6 Rxc1+ 22.Bxc1 fxg6 23.Ne2 Rc8 24.Nxf4 exf4 25.Bd3 Qd4 26.Bc2 
  White is better: +/- (0.71 --)  Depth: 29/48   00:00:08  254MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Kb1 Bd7 14.Nge2 a6 15.Ng3 Nf4 16.h4 Rc8 17.Rc1 Qa5 18.h5 b5 19.Qh2 Na4 20.Nxa4 Qxa4 21.hxg6 Rxc1+ 22.Bxc1 fxg6 23.Ne2 Rc8 24.Nxf4 exf4 25.Bd3 Qd4 26.Bc2 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.64 --)  Depth: 29/48   00:00:09  305MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Kb1 Bd7 14.Nge2 a6 15.Ng3 Nf4 16.h4 Rc8 17.Rc1 Qa5 18.h5 b5 19.Qh2 Na4 20.Nxa4 Qxa4 21.hxg6 Rxc1+ 22.Bxc1 fxg6 23.Ne2 Rc8 24.Nxf4 exf4 25.Bd3 Qd4 26.Bc2 
  White is better: +/- (0.72 ++)  Depth: 29/48   00:00:09  308MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Kb1 Bd7 14.Nge2 a6 15.Ng3 Nf4 16.h4 Rc8 17.Rc1 Qa5 18.h5 b5 19.Qh2 Na4 20.Nxa4 Qxa4 21.hxg6 Rxc1+ 22.Bxc1 fxg6 23.Ne2 Rc8 24.Nxf4 exf4 25.Bd3 Qd4 26.Bc2 
  White is better: +/- (0.82 ++)  Depth: 29/50   00:00:10  325MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Bd7 13.Kb1 Nc5 14.Nge2 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.h4 a6 21.h5 Rac8 22.Nd1 b5 23.Rdh2 a5 24.Bd2 a4 25.Rg1 Rc7 26.Ba5 Ra7 27.Bb4 Rc8 28.Ne3 Rac7 29.hxg6 fxg6 30.Nc2 Rf8 31.Nh1 Rfc8 
  White is better: +/- (0.77)  Depth: 29/50   00:00:11  361MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Bd7 13.Kb1 Nc5 14.Nge2 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.h4 a6 21.h5 Rac8 22.Nd1 b5 23.Rdh2 a5 24.Bd2 a4 25.Rg1 Rc7 26.Ba5 Ra7 27.Bb4 Rc8 28.Ne3 Rac7 29.hxg6 fxg6 30.Nc2 Rf8 31.Nh1 Rfc8 
  White is better: +/- (0.82 ++)  Depth: 30/44   00:00:11  363MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Nge2 Bd7 14.Kb1 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.h4 a6 21.h5 Rac8 22.Nd1 Rc7 23.Rdh2 Ncd3 24.Bxd3 Nxd3 25.Ne2 Rfc8 26.hxg6 fxg6 27.Rg2 Be8 28.Rhg1 
  White is better: +/- (0.81)  Depth: 30/57   00:00:12  381MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Nge2 Bd7 14.Kb1 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.h4 a6 21.h5 Rac8 22.Nd1 Rc7 23.Rdh2 Ncd3 24.Bxd3 Nxd3 25.Ne2 Rfc8 26.hxg6 fxg6 27.Rg2 Be8 28.Rhg1 
  White is better: +/- (0.74 --)  Depth: 31/46   00:00:12  402MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Nc5 13.Nge2 Bd7 14.Kb1 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.h4 a6 21.h5 Rac8 22.Nd1 Rc7 23.Rdh2 Ncd3 24.Bxd3 Nxd3 25.Ne2 Rfc8 26.hxg6 fxg6 27.Rg2 Be8 28.Rhg1 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.68 --)  Depth: 31/46   00:00:13  417MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Bd7 13.Kb1 Nc5 14.Nge2 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.Nb5 Bxb5 21.Bxb5 Bh6 22.h4 a6 23.Bf1 Kg7 24.h5 Bg5 25.Rdh2 Rh8 26.hxg6 fxg6 27.Rxh8 Rxh8 28.Rxh8 Kxh8 29.b4 Nd7 30.Ne2 Kg7 31.Nc3 Bd8 32.a4 
  White is slightly better: +/= (0.68)  Depth: 31/50   00:00:13  421MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Bd7 13.Kb1 Nc5 14.Nge2 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.Nb5 Bxb5 21.Bxb5 Bh6 22.h4 a6 23.Bf1 Kg7 24.h5 Bg5 25.Rdh2 Rh8 26.hxg6 fxg6 27.Rxh8 Rxh8 28.Rxh8 Kxh8 29.b4 Nd7 30.Ne2 Kg7 31.Nc3 Bd8 32.a4 
  White is better: +/- (0.75 ++)  Depth: 32/46   00:00:13  424MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Bd7 13.Kb1 Nc5 14.Nge2 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.h4 a6 21.h5 Rac8 22.Nd1 Rc7 23.Rdh2 Rfc8 24.Bd2 Ncd3 25.Bxd3 Nxd3 26.Ne2 Bb5 27.Nec3 Bd7 28.hxg6 fxg6 29.Rg2 Kf7 30.Ne2 Bf6 31.Ne3 Rh8 32.Rxh8 Bxh8 33.b3 Nf4 34.Nxf4 
  White is better: +/- (0.75)  Depth: 32/49   00:00:13  427MN
10.g4 h5 11.gxh5 Nxh5 12.0-0-0 Bd7 13.Kb1 Nc5 14.Nge2 Qh4 15.Bg5 Qf2 16.Ng3 Qxd2 17.Rxd2 Bf6 18.Bh6 Bg7 19.Be3 Nf4 20.h4 a6 21.h5 Rac8 22.Rdh2 g5 23.Nd1 Bf6 24.Bd2 g4 25.b4 Na4 26.fxg4 Bxg4 27.Ne3 Bd7 28.Ngf5 Nc3+ 29.Bxc3 Rxc3 30.Rc2 Rfc8 
  White is better: +/- (0.71)  Depth: 33/52   00:00:14  462MN

(,  29.03.2024)
Maybe 43...Qa6 is decisive mistake? Stockfish dev 20240322 has it > +3.00 after a minute.

Black's position looked to be seriously deteriorating prior to 43...Qa6, however.
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

Post by Dann Corbit »

I only have the released version. It finds g4 in ten seconds and sticks with it.

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Analysis of H:\berserk.epd   
3/29/2024 1:45:03 PM Level: 3600 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Berserk-12-x64-avx2

 1                      
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Berserk-12-x64-avx2): g2-g4
    Not found in: 1:00:00
   time -1 start 880646265 alloc 0 max 2147483647 depth 200 timeset 0 searchmoves 0
     2/2	00:00	          4k	3,598k	+1.14	Bxa6
     3/3	00:00	         11k	10,650k	+0.86	g4
     4/4	00:00	         18k	18,101k	+1.04	Bxa6  bxa6  Rc1
     5/5	00:00	         25k	24,637k	+1.06	g4  h5  Bxa6  bxa6  h3
     6/6	00:00	         32k	32,212k	+1.06	Nge2  h5  Nc1  Nd7  a4  Nac5
     7/8	00:00	         58k	57,922k	+0.81	Nge2  h5  h3  Bd7  Nc1  Nc5  b4
     8/9	00:00	         99k	98,888k	+0.78	Rc1  Nc5  b4  Ncd7  Nb5  a5  Nc7
     9/10	00:00	        177k	11,076k	+0.83	Bc4  Nd7  Nge2  f5  0-0  f4  Bf2  g5  Bxa6
    10/15	00:00	        359k	22,467k	+0.94	Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Nd7  0-0  f5  Rfc1  a5  exf5  gxf5  Nb5
    11/15	00:00	        388k	24,248k	+0.92	Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Nd7  0-0  f5  Rfc1  Nb6  b3  f4  Bf2  g5  h3  Bd7
    12/20	00:00	        842k	52,652k	+0.80	Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Ne8  0-0  f5  exf5  gxf5  f4  Nf6  h3  Nh5  Rad1  a5  b3  Rf7  fxe5  dxe5
    13/20	00:00	        948k	30,594k	+0.75	Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Ne8  0-0  f5  exf5  gxf5  f4  Nf6  h3  Nh5  Rad1  Rf7  fxe5  Bxe5  Rf3  Bd7  b3
    14/20	00:00	      1,359k	43,846k	+0.75	Bc4  Ne8  Nge2  f5  h3  Rf7  0-0  f4  Bf2  Bd7  Rac1  Nc5  b4  Na4  Nxa4  Bxa4
    15/28	00:00	      6,676k	47,349k	+0.74	Rc1  Bd7  Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Ne8  0-0  f5  exf5  gxf5  f4  Nf6  fxe5  dxe5  Bc5
    16/21	00:00	      7,340k	47,054k	+0.70	Rc1  Bd7  Bxa6  bxa6  Bg5  Qb6  Nge2  Rab8  b3  a5  h3  Rfc8  Be3  Qa6  0-0  a4  Nxa4  Bxa4  bxa4  Qxa4  Rxc8+
    17/27	00:00	      9,538k	46,984k	+0.65	Nge2  Nc5  Nc1  Nh5  Nd3  Nxd3+  Bxd3  f5  a4  Qh4+  Bf2  Qf4  Qc2  Bd7  0-0  Qh6  a5  Nf4  Kh1
    18/24	00:00	     12,422k	46,697k	+0.64	Bd3  Nc5  Bc2  a5  Nge2  Bd7  a4  Nh5  0-0  f5  Bxc5  dxc5  Rad1  Nf6  exf5  gxf5  d6  Kh8
    19/25	00:00	     22,139k	45,647k	+0.68	Nge2  Bd7  Nc1  Nh5  Nd3  Qh4+  Bf2  Qf6  Be2  Nf4  0-0  Nxe2+  Qxe2  Qd8  a4  Nc7  Qc2  f5  Qb3
    20/27	00:00	     23,394k	45,337k	+0.77	Nge2  Bd7  Nc1  Nh5  Nd3  f5  Be2  Qh4+  Bf2  Qe7  0-0  Bf6  Be3  f4  Bf2  Bh4  Rfc1  Bxf2+  Nxf2  Rfc8  Nb5  Bxb5  Bxb5  Nc5  b4  Nd7  Rxc8+
    21/34	00:00	     26,530k	45,899k	+0.75	Nge2  Bd7  Nc1  Nh5  Nd3  f5  Be2  Qh4+  Bf2  Qe7  0-0  Bf6  Be3  f4  Bf2  g5  a4  Kh8  b4  Nc7  b5  Ne8  b6  axb6  Bxb6  Rc8  Rfc1  Rg8
    22/35	00:00	     33,937k	45,249k	+0.68	Nge2  Bd7  Nc1  Nh5  Nd3  f5  Be2  Bf6  0-0  f4  Bf2  Bh4  Bxh4  Qxh4  Nf2  Qd8  Nb5  Bxb5  Bxb5  Qb6  Bxa6  Qxa6  Qb4  Rac8  Rfc1  Nf6  a4  g5  a5
    23/37	00:01	     55,137k	45,231k	+0.62	Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Ne8  0-0-0  f5  Kb1  a5  Ka1  Ba6  h4  a4  a3  Nf6  exf5  gxf5  Bh6  Bxh6  Qxh6  Kh8
    24/39	00:01	     64,608k	44,929k	+0.68	Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Ne8  0-0  f5  exf5  gxf5  f4  Nf6  h3  Nh5  Rf2  Bd7  fxe5  dxe5  Bg5  Qa5  Bh6  f4  Bxg7  Kxg7  Nc1
    25/34	00:01	     75,684k	44,836k	+0.64	Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  Ne8  0-0  f5  exf5  gxf5  f4  Nf6  h3  Nh5  Rf2  Bd7  fxe5  dxe5  Bg5  Bf6  Bxf6  Qxf6  Re1  Rae8  Nc1  f4  Nd3  Qd6  a3  Kh8
    26/38-	00:03	    134,737k	44,453k	+0.58	Bxa6  bxa6
    26/41+	00:03	    143,604k	44,391k	+0.64	Bxa6
    26/41+	00:03	    149,179k	44,398k	+0.71	Bxa6
    26/41	00:03	    151,109k	44,366k	+0.76	Nge2  Nc5  h4  h5  Nc1  Bd7  Nd3  Nxd3+  Bxd3  Nh7  0-0-0  f5  Kb1  Qe8  exf5  gxf5  Bh6  Qg6  Bxg7  Qxg7  Ka1  Nf6  Qg5  Rac8  Bxf5  Qxg5  hxg5  Bxf5
    27/37-	00:03	    165,440k	44,485k	+0.70	Nge2  Nc5
    27/37+	00:03	    169,761k	44,163k	+0.76	Nge2
    27/37-	00:03	    171,872k	44,172k	+0.64	Nge2  Bd7
    27/37+	00:03	    173,311k	44,189k	+0.74	Nge2
    27/37	00:04	    197,564k	44,050k	+0.69	Nge2  Nc5  h4  h5  Nc1  Nh7  Nd3  Nxd3+  Bxd3  Bd7  0-0-0  f5  Kb1  Qe8  Rc1  b5  Nd1  a5  Rc7  b4  Nf2  f4  Bb6  Bf6  Rcc1  Be7  Bc7  Nf6  Rhg1  Rf7  g3
    28/40+	00:04	    203,632k	44,029k	+0.75	Nge2
    28/40	00:04	    217,351k	43,883k	+0.78	Nge2  Nc5  h4  h5  Nc1  Ne8  Nd3  Nxd3+  Bxd3  Bd7  a4  f5  Bg5  Bf6  exf5  Bxf5  Ne4  Rc8  Nxf6+  Nxf6  Bxf5  gxf5  0-0  f4  Rfc1  Kg7  a5  Rf7  Rxc8  Qxc8  Rc1
    29/33-	00:05	    223,483k	43,735k	+0.72	Nge2  Nc5
    29/44	00:05	    245,115k	43,693k	+0.71	Nge2  Nc5  h4  h5  Nc1  Nh7  Nd3  Nxd3+  Bxd3  Bd7  0-0-0  f5  Kb1  Nf6  Rc1  Rf7  a3  Qa5  Ka2  a6  Rc2  b5  Nb1  Qxd2  Nxd2  Ne8  b3  a5  Rhc1  Bf6  Bg5  Bxg5  hxg5  a4  Rb1  axb3+  Rxb3
    30/30-	00:06	    272,369k	43,579k	+0.65	Nge2  Bd7
    30/39+	00:06	    280,218k	43,526k	+0.71	Nge2
    30/48+	00:10	    426,313k	42,301k	+0.78	g4
    30/48	00:11	    470,652k	42,068k	+0.85	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Nc5  Nge2  Bd7  Kb1  Qh4  Bg5  Qf2  Ng3  Qxd2  Rxd2  Bf6  Bh6  Bg7  Be3  Nf4  h4  a6  h5  b5  b4  Na4  Nxa4  bxa4  hxg6  fxg6  Rc2  Bb5  Bxb5  axb5  a3  Rac8  Rc6  Rxc6  dxc6  d5  Bb6  d4
    31/51-	00:11	    490,261k	42,003k	+0.79	g4  h5
    31/51+	00:11	    495,559k	42,007k	+0.85	g4
    31/51	00:12	    504,705k	41,950k	+0.74	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Nc5  Nge2  Bd7  Kb1  Qh4  Bg5  Qf2  Ng3  Qxd2  Rxd2  Bf6  Bh6  Bg7  Be3  Nf4  h4  a6  h5  Rac8  Rdh2  Bf6  hxg6  fxg6  Nd1  Ncd3  Bd2  Bg7  Ne3
    32/52+	00:12	    540,539k	41,779k	+0.80	g4
    32/52-	00:13	    552,062k	41,763k	+0.68	g4  h5
    32/52+	00:13	    566,997k	41,759k	+0.77	g4
    32/52	00:13	    571,018k	41,717k	+0.72	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Bd7  Kb1  Nc5  Nge2  Qh4  Bg5  Qf2  Ng3  Qxd2  Rxd2  Bf6  Bh6  Bg7  Be3  Nf4  h4  a6  Rdh2  Rac8  h5  Bf6  hxg6  fxg6  Nd1  Bg7  Nf2  Kf7  Ne2  Nfd3  Nc3  Nxf2  Bxf2  b5  Be3  Rh8  Rxh8  Rxh8  Rxh8  Bxh8
    33/53-	00:19	    815,578k	42,127k	+0.66	g4  h5
    33/53+	00:20	    844,198k	42,111k	+0.72	g4
    33/53+	00:22	    946,702k	41,988k	+0.79	g4
    33/53	00:24	  1,023,150k	41,975k	+0.79	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Nc5  Nge2  Bd7  Kb1  Qh4  Bg5  Qf2  Ng3  Qxd2  Rxd2  Bf6  Bh6  Bg7  Be3  Nf4  h4  a6  h5  Rac8  Nd1  b5  Rdh2  a5  Nc3  Rb8  Nce2  g5  h6  Bf6  h7+  Kh8  Rh6  Be7  Nxf4  gxf4  Bxc5  dxc5  Nf5  Bg5  Ra6
    34/41+	00:24	  1,047,349k	42,025k	+0.85	g4
    34/49-	00:26	  1,123,694k	42,130k	+0.73	g4  h5
    34/58+	00:26	  1,133,029k	42,134k	+0.81	g4
    34/58	00:27	  1,158,212k	42,140k	+0.67	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Bd7  Kb1  Nc5  Nge2  Qh4  Bg5  Qf2  Ng3  Qxd2  Rxd2  Bf6  Bh6  Bg7  Be3  Nf4  h4  a6  h5  Rac8  Nd1  Rc7  Rdh2  Rfc8  Bd2  Ncd3  Bxd3  Nxd3  Ne2  Bb5  Nec3  Bd7  Ne3  Nf4  hxg6  fxg6  Ng2  Nd3  Nh4  Kf7  Rg2  Rh8  Rxg6  Bf6  Rh6  Rxh6  Bxh6  Bxh4
    35/55+	00:27	  1,172,020k	42,164k	+0.73	g4
    35/55+	00:27	  1,173,988k	42,163k	+0.79	g4
    35/55+	00:28	  1,187,004k	42,158k	+0.86	g4
    35/55	00:29	  1,264,976k	42,209k	+0.90	g4  Bd7  Bxa6  bxa6  0-0-0  a5  Kb1  a4  a3  Qa5  Nge2  Rfc8  Ka1  Rab8  Rb1  Rc7  Rbc1  Rbc8  h3  Be8  Nb1  Qxd2  Nxd2  Nd7  Rxc7  Rxc7  Nc3  Nc5  Rg1  f6  Kb1  Bd7  h4  Bf8  h5
    36/46-	00:31	  1,346,574k	42,183k	+0.84	g4  Bd7
    36/50-	00:35	  1,512,861k	42,060k	+0.78	g4  Bd7
    36/50+	00:36	  1,540,203k	42,035k	+0.84	g4
    36/64+	00:45	  1,892,166k	41,816k	+0.92	g4
    36/70-	00:50	  2,115,024k	41,739k	+0.71	g4  h5
    36/70	00:51	  2,161,856k	41,724k	+0.79	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Bd7  Kb1  Nc7  Nge2  Qh4  Bg5  Qf2  Ng3  Qxd2  Rxd2  Bf6  Be3  Nf4  h4  Kg7  Nce2  Nxe2  Rxe2  Rh8  h5  Nb5  Bh3  Bxh3  Rxh3  Nd4  Rg2  Kf8  Rgh2  Kg7  Rh1  Rac8  R3h2  Kg8  Rg2  Kf8  hxg6  fxg6  Rxh8+  Bxh8  Nf1  Kg7  Nd2
    37/52-	00:54	  2,288,087k	41,696k	+0.73	g4  h5
    37/54+	00:55	  2,333,214k	41,688k	+0.79	g4
    37/54+	00:56	  2,358,746k	41,690k	+0.86	g4
    37/54-	01:07	  2,800,953k	41,698k	+0.67	g4  h5
    37/54+	01:07	  2,810,035k	41,697k	+0.81	g4
    37/60	01:08	  2,839,164k	41,705k	+0.87	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Nc5  Kb1  Bd7  Nge2  Qh4  Bg5  Qf2  Ng3  Qxd2  Rxd2  Bf6  Bh6  Bg7  Be3  Nf4  h4  a6  h5  Rac8  Nd1  b5  Rdh2  b4  Rg1  Rc7  b3  a5  Nb2  a4  Bxc5  Rxc5  Nxa4  Bxa4  bxa4  Rc3  Nf5  gxf5  h6  Rxf3  hxg7  Rxf1+  Rxf1  Kxg7  Rg1+  Kf6  Rh6+  Ke7  exf5  Nxd5
    38/61-	01:11	  2,989,033k	41,659k	+0.81	g4  h5
    38/61-	01:13	  3,069,845k	41,643k	+0.75	g4  h5
    38/61-	01:27	  3,603,267k	41,409k	+0.68	g4  h5
    38/61+	01:27	  3,614,705k	41,407k	+0.75	g4
    38/61+	01:27	  3,641,732k	41,405k	+0.85	g4
    38/61	01:46	  4,377,873k	41,240k	+0.83	g4  Bd7  Bxa6  bxa6  Nge2  a5  Ng3  a4  h4  Qa5  Rc1  Rfc8  h5  Rab8  Nd1  Qxd2+  Kxd2  Rxc1  Kxc1  Rb7  Nc3  Ne8  Nf1  f5  gxf5  gxf5  h6  Bf8  Rg1+  Kf7  exf5  Bxf5  Nxa4  Bd3  Nc3  Nf6  Bg5  Bxf1  Rxf1  Kg6  f4  Ng4  fxe5  Nxe5  Rxf8
    39/52+	01:50	  4,539,926k	41,196k	+0.88	g4
    39/56-	01:57	  4,842,585k	41,120k	+0.77	g4  Bd7
    39/56+	02:07	  5,224,664k	41,058k	+0.85	g4
    39/57	02:12	  5,430,042k	41,039k	+0.91	g4  Bd7  h4  h5  g5  Ne8  Rb1  f5  b4  Nac7  a4  Rc8  Bd3  fxe4  fxe4  Na8  a5  a6  Nh3  Rf3  Bf1  Nec7  Nf2  Rg3  Rc1  Qe8  Ne2  Rf3  Bg2  Rf7  0-0  Nb5  Rxc8  Bxc8  Rc1  Rc7  Nc3  Nd4  Bxd4  exd4  Ne2  Bd7  Nd3  Bb5  Re1  Rc4  Nef4  Nc7  Bh3
    40/58-	02:37	  6,453,099k	40,919k	+0.85	g4  h5
    40/58+	02:56	  7,183,189k	40,803k	+0.91	g4
    40/58	03:00	  7,351,134k	40,797k	+0.94	g4  h5  gxh5  Nxh5  0-0-0  Nc5  Kb1  Bd7  Nge2  Qh4  Rg1  Qe7  h4  Na4  Nxa4  Bxa4  Rc1  Rfc8  Rxc8+  Rxc8  Nc3  Be8  Bxa7  Qxh4  a4  Ra8  Be3  Nf4  Qd1  Bh6  Bb5  Nh3  Rg4  Qh5  Bxh6  Qxh6  Rg2  Qe3  Rc2  Kg7  Bxe8  Rxe8  Nb5  Rd8  Qf1  Ng5  Rc3  Nxe4  fxe4  Qxe4+  Ka2
    41/6-	03:00	  7,353,800k	40,794k	+0.88	g4  h5
    41/12-	03:01	  7,400,692k	40,789k	+0.83	g4  h5
    41/57+	03:03	  7,493,686k	40,782k	+0.88	g4
   3/29/2024 1:48:16 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:09, Rated time: 1:00:00

0 of 1 matching moves
3/29/2024 1:48:17 PM, Total time: 12:03:13 AM
Rated time: 1:00:00 = 3600 Seconds
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jefk
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

Post by jefk »

3...Bg7 already is a mistake (wrong bookmove) for a computer
(for human vs human it's possible if you like to play good old
old fashioned King's Indian with Black)

3...d5! leads to Gruenfeld
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jefk
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Re: Does your computer using Berserk chose 10. g4!

Post by jefk »

in addition if you do play the King's Indian with Black, like in the game above,
then the move 6...e5?! against the Saemisch KID wasn't good.
The move 6...c5! would have been much better.

https://thechessworld.com/articles/open ... ch-gambit/

maybe these TCEC opening list needs some improvement(s)
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