The game of chess needs 2 major changes.......

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Re: The game of chess needs 2 major changes.......

Post by jefk »

No it's different than chess960 because in chess960 the positions are -almost- 'symmetrical'
(but with kings and queens on the same line(s). But then in wild 1 indeed some pieces
positions can be changed so it looks a bit like chess960. What i suggested was to only swap
the black (or white) kings and queens position.
Unfortunately -after some analysis- this leads to either a relatively large advantage for White
or Black (although less than a pawn) and thus in itself isn't (yet?) a solution for the draw problem
in (engine assisted) correspondence chess; unless with other (rule) modifications.

Thus, staying most closely to original chess, and being consistent with engine tourns, the most simple
solution for ICCF correspondence chess now imo is to also adopt the TCEC openings (and rules, i.e.
two games with both Black and White for two opponents, instead of one like in Swiss tournaments).
Ofcourse just as additional option, just like chess960 in correspondence chess. Also the tourn software
should easily be able to handle such changes (but the tourn setups would be different ofcourse,
probably less participants, because of the b/w and w/b games against each other.
Problem solved :idea:
:-)
So maybe i'll add this suggestion to my paper (in two months) and then hopefully the ICCF (board),
open to changes as they were historically as Fide organisation :evil: may adopt this as an
additional option within ten years or so :)
As for Chessbase, well they may also add another engine room where these Tcec openings are
obliged, and being almost equally fast as the ICCF this might even happen in five years or so ! :!:
Meanwhile the Tcec set of (biased/cooked) openings positions may again have
been slightly changed ofcourse, no big deal :shock:
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Re: The game of chess needs 2 major changes.......

Post by JohnW »

Chessqueen wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:03 pm There are so many Engine vs engine draws with with the current rules of chess that I believe that these 2 rules should be changed. 1st. If any side runs out of moves the game should be delcared a lost as long as the other side still has some legal moves, this will reduce the amount of draws by this type of stalemate. 2nd In chess if your opponent offer you any piece to be trade the opponent should be forced to take that piece or if the opponent give you choises of taking more than one pieces with his last move then you should be obligated to take of of the pieces being offered like in Checkers, I believe that is the reason why there are not to many draws in checkers.
They should change the rules of chess because of draws between chess engines? lol..
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Re: The game of chess needs 2 major changes.......

Post by lkaufman »

JohnW wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:59 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:03 pm There are so many Engine vs engine draws with with the current rules of chess that I believe that these 2 rules should be changed. 1st. If any side runs out of moves the game should be delcared a lost as long as the other side still has some legal moves, this will reduce the amount of draws by this type of stalemate. 2nd In chess if your opponent offer you any piece to be trade the opponent should be forced to take that piece or if the opponent give you choises of taking more than one pieces with his last move then you should be obligated to take of of the pieces being offered like in Checkers, I believe that is the reason why there are not to many draws in checkers.
They should change the rules of chess because of draws between chess engines? lol..
The main reason for proposing changes is that humans assisted by engines make too many draws. This is most obvious in correspondence chess, but it also applies to classical OTB games between top-20 human players, who are often just playing computer lines memorized before the game for many moves, sometimes even for the entire game. This somewhat ruins the interest in watching such events. In my view, 50% draws (between equal top players) is okay, but 75% is not tolerable, and the 99% or so seen at the top of Correspondence chess makes it a total joke under current rules.
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Re: The game of chess needs 2 major changes.......

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:51 am
JohnW wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:59 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:03 pm There are so many Engine vs engine draws with with the current rules of chess that I believe that these 2 rules should be changed. 1st. If any side runs out of moves the game should be delcared a lost as long as the other side still has some legal moves, this will reduce the amount of draws by this type of stalemate. 2nd In chess if your opponent offer you any piece to be trade the opponent should be forced to take that piece or if the opponent give you choises of taking more than one pieces with his last move then you should be obligated to take of of the pieces being offered like in Checkers, I believe that is the reason why there are not to many draws in checkers.
They should change the rules of chess because of draws between chess engines? lol..
The main reason for proposing changes is that humans assisted by engines make too many draws. This is most obvious in correspondence chess, but it also applies to classical OTB games between top-20 human players, who are often just playing computer lines memorized before the game for many moves, sometimes even for the entire game. This somewhat ruins the interest in watching such events. In my view, 50% draws (between equal top players) is okay, but 75% is not tolerable, and the 99% or so seen at the top of Correspondence chess makes it a total joke under current rules.
Could forcing to play gambit lines to whoever is rated higher eliminate the drawing chances?

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[Date "2024.06.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_24052319_x64_avx2"]
[Black "Caissa-1.18-x64-avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3610"]
[ECO "C21"]
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[Time "19:10:04"]
[Variation "Halasz Gambit, 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.f4"]
[WhiteElo "3655"]
[TimeControl "600+10"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
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Bd7xb5 Nc3xb5 Bd4-b6 Nb5-c3 c7-c6 f5-f6 g7xf6 Qe2-f3 O-O Nc3-e4 Rf8-d8
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Rh8-e8 Bc1-d2) +1.22/32 60} 8. h3 {(h2-h3 d5xe4 Nd2xe4 Nh6-f5 Qd1-e2 Qd8-e7
O-O Bc8-e6 Rf1-e1 O-O-O Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7
Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+
Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-f6 Rh8xh7 Qf6xe7 Nc6xe7 Re1xe3 Ne7-c6 Nf3-e5 Nc6xe5
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Qd1-e2 Qd8-e7 O-O Bc8-d7 b2-b4 a7-a6 Ne4-c5 Qe7xe2 Bd3xe2 O-O-O Be2-d3
Bb6xc5 b4xc5 Nf5-g3 Rf1-e1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-c4 Bf5xc2 Kg1-h2 Ng3-e4 Ra1-a2 Bc2-b1
Ra2-a1 Ne4-c3 Bc4xf7 Rh8-f8 Bf7-c4 Bb1-e4 Bc4-e6+ Kc8-b8 Nf3-g5 Be4-c2
Bc1-d2 h7-h6 Ng5-f7 Rd8-e8 Ra1-c1 Nc3-e4 Rc1xc2 Re8xe6 Nf7-e5 Ne4xd2
Ne5-d7+ Kb8-c8) -1.27/32 32} Qe7 {(Qd8-e7 Qd1-e2 Bc8-d7 Ne4-g3 O-O Qe2xe7
Nc6xe7 Ke1-f2 Nh6-f5 Rh1-e1 Rf8-e8 Ng3xf5 Ne7xf5 Bc1-d2 Nf5-d6 a3-a4 Re8xe1
Bd2xe1 a7-a5 b2-b3) +1.13/31 24} 10. O-O {(O-O Nh6-f5 Rf1-e1 Bc8-e6 Ne4-g5
Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5
Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2
Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6 a3-a4 Qe7-d6 Qb3-c3 Nc6-d4
Re1xe3 Nd4xf3+ Re3xf3 Qd6-d4+ Qc3xd4 Rd8xd4 a4-a5 Kb8-b7 a5xb6 c7xb6)
-1.18/35 22} Nf5 {(Nh6-f5 Rf1-e1 Bc8-e6 Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4
Rh8-e8 Qe2-f2 Nc6-a5 Nf3-d2 c7-c5 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 b2-b4 c5xb4 a3xb4 Qe7xb4
Bc1-a3) +1.19/29 13} 11. Re1 {(Rf1-e1 Bc8-e6 Qd1-e2 O-O-O Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3
c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5
Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5
Qc2-b3 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6 a3-a4 Qe7-d6 Rb1-d1 Qd6-c5 Rd1xd8+ Nc6xd8 Kg1-h2
Rh7-d7 Nf3-e5 Rd7-d6 Re1xe3 g6-g5 Re3-d3 Kb8-c8 a4-a5 b6xa5) -1.22/31 17}
Be6 {(Bc8-e6 Qd1-e2 O-O-O Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7
a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Ra1-b1 Qe7-e6 Kg1-h1 Qe6-d5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3)
+1.24/30 18} 12. Neg5 {(Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6
Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 c4-c5 Bf5xd3 Qe2xd3 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5
g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 Rb1-c1 Qe7-e4 Re1xe3 Nc6-a5
Qb3-e6 Qe4xe6 Re3xe6 Na5-b3 Rc1-f1 Nb3xc5 Re6xg6 Rd8-f8 Rf1-d1 Nc5-e4
Rg6-e6 Kb8-b7 Rd1-d5 Ne4-d6 Re6-g6 a7-a5 Nf3-d4 Nd6-c4 a3-a4 Nc4-b2 Nd4-e6
Rf8-c8 Rd5xf5 Nb2xa4 Rf5-e5 Na4-c3 f4-f5 a5-a4 Re5-e3 Nc3-b5 f5-f6)
-1.20/41 102} Ne3 {(Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7
a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Kg1-h1 Qe7-f7 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Rh8-e8 Qe3-d2 Re8xe1+
Ra1xe1) +1.13/27 5} 13. Qe2 {(Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7
Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+
Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6
a3-a4 Qe7-c5 Re1-c1 Qc5-d6 Qb3xe3 Rh7-e7 Rb1xb6+ c7xb6 Qe3xb6+ Re7-b7
Qb6xc6 Qd6xf4 Qc6-c3 Qf4-b4 Qc3xb4 Rb7xb4 Nf3-e5 Rd8-c8 Rc1-f1 Rb4-e4
Ne5xg6 Rc8-c5 Kg1-h2 Kb8-c7 Kh2-g3 Kc7-d6 Rf1-f3 Re4xa4 Ng6-h4 Kd6-e6
Rf3-f2 Rc5-b5 Rf2-c2 f5-f4+ Kg3-h2 Rb5-b6 Rc2-f2 Ke6-f6) -1.16/35 9} O-O-O
{(O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7 a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Ra1-b1 Qe7-e6
b4-b5 Ba7xc5 b5xc6 Qe6xc6 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Re1-c1 Qc6-d6 Bd3-e4) +0.96/28 11}
14. c4 {(c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3
Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7
Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 Rb1-c1 Qe7-e4 Re1xe3 Nc6-a5 Qb3-e6 Qe4xe6 Re3xe6
Na5-b3 Rc1-f1 Nb3xc5 Re6xg6 Rd8-f8 Nf3-h4 Nc5-e4 Kg1-h2 c7-c5 Rg6-e6 c5-c4
g2-g4 Ne4-c5 Re6-e2 f5xg4 h3xg4 Rh7-g7 Kh2-h3 Rf8-g8 Re2-g2 Rg7-d7 Nh4-f5
Rg8-h8 Rg2-e2 c4-c3 Kh3-h4) -1.20/36 29} Bd7 {(Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7
a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Ra1-b1 Qe7-f7 Bc1-d2 Qf7-d5 b4-b5 Nc6-e7 b5-b6 Ba7-b8
Nf3xd4 Ne3-f5 Nd4xf5 Bd7xf5 Bd3xf5+) +1.47/28 15} 15. b4 {(b2-b4 h7-h6
Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3
Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 Rb1-c1
Qe7-e4 Re1xe3 Nc6-a5 Qb3-e6 Qe4xe6 Re3xe6 Na5-b3 Rc1-f1 Nb3xc5 Re6xg6
Rd8-f8 Nf3-h4 Nc5-e4 Rg6-e6 h6-h5 Rf1-d1 Ne4-d6 Rd1-d5 a7-a5 Re6-e5 Rh7-f7
Nh4-g6 Rf8-g8 Ng6-h4 Rg8-g3 a3-a4 Rf7-g7 Kg1-h2 Rg3-a3 Nh4xf5 Nd6xf5 Re5xf5
Ra3xa4) -1.20/37 20} f6 {(f7-f6 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 b4xc5 f6xg5 Ra1-b1 g5xf4
Qe2-b2 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6 Bc1-d2 Nc6-e5 Bd3-a6+ Kc8-b8 Nf3xd4 Rh8-e8 Bd2xe3
f4xe3 Re1xe3) +1.55/28 14} 16. c5 {(c4-c5 Bb6xc5 b4xc5 f6xg5 Nf3xg5 h7-h6
Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1
Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7 Qe3-c1 Qe7-f8 Qc1-e3 h6-h5 Qe3-f3 g7-g6
Ne4-g5 Qf8xc5 Rd1-d5 Nc6-d4 Rd5xc5 Nd4xf3+ Ng5xf3 Bf5xb1 Rc5-c1 Bb1-f5
Nf3-h4 Bf5-e4 g2-g4 b7-b5 Kh2-g3 a7-a6 g4xh5 g6xh5 f4-f5) -1.28/37 80} Bxc5
{(Bb6xc5 b4xc5 f6xg5 Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Ra1-b1 Rf8xf4
Qe2-b2 b7-b6 Re1xe3 Kc8-b8 Rb1-e1 Qe7-e5 Qb2xe5 Nc6xe5 Ne4-c3) +1.43/31 14}
17. bxc5 {(b4xc5 f6xg5 Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3
Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1
Qf7-e7 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 Qe3-f3 Qe7-f8 Re1-d1 g7-g6 g2-g4 Bf5-c8 Bb1-c2 g6-g5
f4-f5 h6-h5 Qf3-c3 h5xg4 h3xg4 Nc6-e5 Ne4-f2) -1.28/31 11} fxg5 {(f6xg5
Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Ra1-b1 Rf8xf4 Qe2-b2 b7-b6 Re1xe3
Kc8-b8 Rb1-e1 Rf4-f8 Bd3-a6 Rf8-f5 Ne4-g3 Qe7-f6 Qb2xf6) +1.35/32 7} 18.
Nxg5 {(Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8
Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 Qe3-f3
Kb8-a8 Qf3-b3 Qe7-f8 Qb3-f3 Ka8-a7 Re1-d1 h6-h5 Rd1-d5 g7-g6 Ne4-c3 Bf5xb1
Nc3xb1 Re8-e1 Nb1-c3 Qf8-f6 Rd5-d3 Qf6-f5 Qf3-g3 Re1-e7 Nc3-d5 Re7-d7)
-1.28/33 22} h6 {(h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-e8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Kc8-b8 Bd3-b5
a7-a6 Bb5-a4 Nc6-a7 Ba4xd7 Qe7xd7 Kg1-h2 Qd7-a4 Qe3-f3 Qa4-c6 a3-a4 Na7-c8
Ne4-f2) +1.49/31 33} 19. Ne4 {(Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7
Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7
Qe3-c1 Qe7-f8 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 g2-g4 Bf5-c8 Kh2-g3 h6-h5 f4-f5 Bc8-d7 Qc1-c3
Re8-e5 Re1-d1 Qf8-e7 Bb1-c2 Kb8-a7 Bc2-b1 Bd7-e8 Qc3-d2 Ka7-a8 Bb1-c2
h5-h4+ Kg3-f4 Ka8-a7 Bc2-b1 g7-g6 f5-f6 Qe7-e6 Kf4-f3 Qe6-b3+ Qd2-d3)
-1.29/34 23} Rhf8 {(Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Kc8-b8 Ne4-g3
h6-h5 Ra1-b1 h5-h4 Ng3-e2 Bd7-f5 Bd3-a6 Bf5-c8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-g6 Ba6-b5 Qg6-f6
Rb1-d1) +1.47/32 39} 20. Bxe3 {(Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Bd7-f5
Ra1-d1 Rf8-e8 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 g2-g4 Bf5-c8 Qe3-f3 a7-a6 Kg1-g2
Bc8-e6 Kg2-g3 Be6-a2 Ne4-f2 Qf7-c4 Qf3-d3 Qc4-e6 Qd3-e4 Ba2xb1 Qe4xe6
Re8xe6 Rd1xb1 Re6-e3+ Kg3-h4 Re3-f3 Rb1-b2 Rf3xf4 Kh4-h5 Rf4-f6 Rb2-d2
Nc6-e5 Rd2-d8+ Kb8-a7 Nf2-d3 Ne5-f7 Rd8-g8 g7-g6+ Rg8xg6 Rf6-f3 Rg6-g7
Rf3xh3+ Kh5-g6 Nf7-h8+ Kg6-h7 Rh3xd3 Rg7xc7 Rd3xa3 c5-c6) -1.26/34 21} dxe3
{(d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 a7-a6 Qe3-c1
Bd7-f5 Bd3-c4 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Bf5-e6 Bc4xe6 Re8xe6 Ne4-c3 Re6-e7 Rd1-d5)
+1.02/27 4} 21. Qxe3 {(Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1
Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 g2-g4 Bf5-d7 Qe3-f2 Nc6-d8
Bb1-d3 Bd7-c6 Re1-e2 Qe7-f8 Kh2-g3 Nd8-e6 Bd3-c4 g7-g6 Ne4-d2 Ne6xc5
Re2xe8+ Bc6xe8 Qf2-e3 Be8-c6 Bc4-e2 b7-b5 Be2-f3 Qf8-d6 Bf3xc6 Qd6xc6
Qe3-d4 Kb8-c8 f4-f5 g6xf5 g4xf5 Nc5-d7 Qd4-h8+ Kc8-b7 Qh8-d4 Nd7-f6 Kg3-f4
Kb7-c8 Nd2-f3 Nf6-d5+ Kf4-e4) -1.28/38 79} Qf7 {(Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8
Ra1-d1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 a7-a6 Qe3-f3 Qf7-f8 Rd1-d5
Re8-e7 Rd5-d2 Qf8-f7 g2-g4 Bf5-h7 f4-f5) +1.35/33 11} 22. Rf1 {(Re1-f1
Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Kc8-b8 Rd1xd8+ Nc6xd8 Kg1-h2 Nd8-c6 Rf1-d1
Qf7-e7 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 g2-g4 Bf5-d7 Qe3-f2 Nc6-d8 Bb1-d3 Qe7-f8 Re1-e2 Bd7-c6
Kh2-g3 Nd8-e6 Bd3-c4 g7-g6 Ne4-d2 Ne6xc5 Re2xe8+ Bc6xe8 Qf2-e3 Be8-c6
Bc4-e2 b7-b5 Be2-f3 Qf8-d6 Bf3xc6 Qd6xc6 Qe3-d4 Nc5-e6 Qd4-e5 Ne6-d8 h3-h4
Nd8-f7 Qe5-e4 Kb8-b7 g4-g5 Qc6xe4) -1.22/32 12} Bf5 {(Bd7-f5 Ra1-d1 Rf8-e8
Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 a7-a6 Qe3-f3 Qf7-f8 g2-g4 Bf5-c8 Rd1-d2
Nc6-e5 Qf3-g3 Ne5-c4 Rd2-d4 Nc4-a5 Bb1-c2) +1.20/36 45} *[/pgn]
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Re: The game of chess needs 2 major changes.......

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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 2:46 am
lkaufman wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:51 am
JohnW wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:59 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:03 pm There are so many Engine vs engine draws with with the current rules of chess that I believe that these 2 rules should be changed. 1st. If any side runs out of moves the game should be delcared a lost as long as the other side still has some legal moves, this will reduce the amount of draws by this type of stalemate. 2nd In chess if your opponent offer you any piece to be trade the opponent should be forced to take that piece or if the opponent give you choises of taking more than one pieces with his last move then you should be obligated to take of of the pieces being offered like in Checkers, I believe that is the reason why there are not to many draws in checkers.
They should change the rules of chess because of draws between chess engines? lol..
The main reason for proposing changes is that humans assisted by engines make too many draws. This is most obvious in correspondence chess, but it also applies to classical OTB games between top-20 human players, who are often just playing computer lines memorized before the game for many moves, sometimes even for the entire game. This somewhat ruins the interest in watching such events. In my view, 50% draws (between equal top players) is okay, but 75% is not tolerable, and the 99% or so seen at the top of Correspondence chess makes it a total joke under current rules.
Could forcing to play gambit lines to whoever is rated higher eliminate the drawing chances?

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Date "2024.06.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_24052319_x64_avx2"]
[Black "Berserk-13-avx2-pext"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "3610"]
[ECO "C21"]
[Opening "Centre Game"]
[Time "19:10:04"]
[Variation "Halasz Gambit, 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.f4"]
[WhiteElo "3655"]
[TimeControl "600+10"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "44"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. f4 Nc6 {(Nb8-c6 Ng1-f3 d7-d5 e4-e5 Bf8-c5 c2-c3
Bc8-g4 Bf1-e2 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Ng8-e7 Nc3-a4 Bg4xf3 Be2xf3 Bc5-d4 Qd1-e2 O-O
Bc1-d2 f7-f6 e5-e6) +1.15/30 18} 4. Nf3 {(Ng1-f3 d7-d5 e4-e5 Bf8-c5 c2-c3
Bc8-g4 b2-b4 Bc5-b6 b4-b5 Nc6-a5 c3xd4 Ng8-e7 Nb1-a3 O-O Na3-c2 Na5-c4
Bf1-e2 f7-f6 e5xf6 Rf8xf6 O-O Ne7-f5 h2-h3 Bg4xf3 Be2xf3 c7-c6 b5xc6 b7xc6
Ra1-b1 Rf6-f8 Kg1-h2 Qd8-f6 Rb1-b3 Bb6-c7 Bf3-g4 Ra8-e8 g2-g3) -2.06/32 26}
Bc5 5. Bd3 {(Bf1-d3 d7-d5 Nb1-d2 Ng8-e7 O-O Bc5-b6 Nf3-h4 O-O a2-a3 d5xe4
Nd2xe4 Ne7-f5 Nh4xf5 Bc8xf5 Bc1-d2 Rf8-e8 Rf1-e1 Qd8-d7 Qd1-f3 Re8-e7)
-0.95/30 31} d5 {(d7-d5 Nb1-d2 Ng8-h6 e4xd5 Nc6-b4 Nd2-b3 Qd8-e7+ Qd1-e2
O-O Qe2xe7 Bc5xe7 Bc1-d2 Nb4xd3+ c2xd3 Rf8-d8 Ra1-c1 Rd8xd5 Rc1xc7 Be7-d6
Rc7-c4) +1.09/28 15} 6. Nbd2 {(Nb1-d2 Ng8-h6 a2-a3 Nh6-g4 e4xd5 Qd8xd5
Nd2-e4 Bc5-e7 h2-h3 Bc8-f5 h3xg4 Bf5xe4 Bd3xe4 Qd5xe4+ Qd1-e2 Qe4-d5 Rh1-h5
Qd5-d6 Bc1-d2 O-O-O O-O-O Qd6-g6 Nf3-e5 Qg6-e6 Qe2-c4 Qe6xc4 Ne5xc4 h7-h6
Rd1-e1 Rd8-e8 Nc4-e5 Be7-d6 Ne5xc6 Re8xe1+ Bd2xe1 b7xc6 Rh5-f5 f7-f6 Kc1-d2
Rh8-e8 Be1-f2 c6-c5 Kd2-d3 a7-a6 b2-b4 c5-c4+ Kd3xd4 Re8-e2) -1.12/32 25}
Nh6 {(Ng8-h6 a2-a3 O-O h2-h3 Bc5-b6 e4xd5 Qd8xd5 g2-g4 Kg8-h8 O-O f7-f5
g4-g5 Nh6-f7 Rf1-e1 Bc8-d7 Bd3-c4 d4-d3+ Kg1-h1 d3xc2 Bc4xd5) +1.13/28 29}
7. a3 {(a2-a3 Bc5-b6 h2-h3 d5xe4 Nd2xe4 Nh6-f5 g2-g4 Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 Qd8-e7
Bc1xe3 d4xe3 O-O-O Bc8-e6 f4-f5 Be6-d7 Ne4-c3 Nc6-d4 Nf3xd4 Bb6xd4 Bd3-b5
Bd7xb5 Nc3xb5 Bd4-b6 Nb5-c3 c7-c6 f5-f6 g7xf6 Qe2-f3 O-O Nc3-e4 Rf8-d8
Rd1-e1) -1.11/29 13} Bb6 {(Bc5-b6 h2-h3 d5xe4 Nd2xe4 Qd8-e7 Qd1-e2 Bc8-d7
Ne4-g3 O-O-O Qe2xe7 Nc6xe7 Ke1-f2 Ne7-f5 Ng3xf5 Bd7xf5 g2-g4 Bf5xd3 c2xd3
Rh8-e8 Bc1-d2) +1.22/32 60} 8. h3 {(h2-h3 d5xe4 Nd2xe4 Nh6-f5 Qd1-e2 Qd8-e7
O-O Bc8-e6 Rf1-e1 O-O-O Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7
Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+
Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-f6 Rh8xh7 Qf6xe7 Nc6xe7 Re1xe3 Ne7-c6 Nf3-e5 Nc6xe5
Re3xe5 Rh7-h8 Re5-e7 Rh8-f8) -1.07/31 17} dxe4 {(d5xe4 Nd2xe4 Qd8-e7 Qd1-e2
Bc8-e6 Ne4-g3 g7-g6 Bc1-d2 O-O-O O-O-O Be6-d5 Rh1-e1 Qe7xe2 Re1xe2 f7-f5
Nf3-g5 Rd8-d7 Rd1-e1 Nh6-f7 h3-h4) +1.25/31 13} 9. Nxe4 {(Nd2xe4 Nh6-f5
Qd1-e2 Qd8-e7 O-O Bc8-d7 b2-b4 a7-a6 Ne4-c5 Qe7xe2 Bd3xe2 O-O-O Be2-d3
Bb6xc5 b4xc5 Nf5-g3 Rf1-e1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-c4 Bf5xc2 Kg1-h2 Ng3-e4 Ra1-a2 Bc2-b1
Ra2-a1 Ne4-c3 Bc4xf7 Rh8-f8 Bf7-c4 Bb1-e4 Bc4-e6+ Kc8-b8 Nf3-g5 Be4-c2
Bc1-d2 h7-h6 Ng5-f7 Rd8-e8 Ra1-c1 Nc3-e4 Rc1xc2 Re8xe6 Nf7-e5 Ne4xd2
Ne5-d7+ Kb8-c8) -1.27/32 32} Qe7 {(Qd8-e7 Qd1-e2 Bc8-d7 Ne4-g3 O-O Qe2xe7
Nc6xe7 Ke1-f2 Nh6-f5 Rh1-e1 Rf8-e8 Ng3xf5 Ne7xf5 Bc1-d2 Nf5-d6 a3-a4 Re8xe1
Bd2xe1 a7-a5 b2-b3) +1.13/31 24} 10. O-O {(O-O Nh6-f5 Rf1-e1 Bc8-e6 Ne4-g5
Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5
Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2
Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6 a3-a4 Qe7-d6 Qb3-c3 Nc6-d4
Re1xe3 Nd4xf3+ Re3xf3 Qd6-d4+ Qc3xd4 Rd8xd4 a4-a5 Kb8-b7 a5xb6 c7xb6)
-1.18/35 22} Nf5 {(Nh6-f5 Rf1-e1 Bc8-e6 Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4
Rh8-e8 Qe2-f2 Nc6-a5 Nf3-d2 c7-c5 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 b2-b4 c5xb4 a3xb4 Qe7xb4
Bc1-a3) +1.19/29 13} 11. Re1 {(Rf1-e1 Bc8-e6 Qd1-e2 O-O-O Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3
c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5
Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5
Qc2-b3 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6 a3-a4 Qe7-d6 Rb1-d1 Qd6-c5 Rd1xd8+ Nc6xd8 Kg1-h2
Rh7-d7 Nf3-e5 Rd7-d6 Re1xe3 g6-g5 Re3-d3 Kb8-c8 a4-a5 b6xa5) -1.22/31 17}
Be6 {(Bc8-e6 Qd1-e2 O-O-O Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7
a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Ra1-b1 Qe7-e6 Kg1-h1 Qe6-d5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3)
+1.24/30 18} 12. Neg5 {(Ne4-g5 Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6
Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 c4-c5 Bf5xd3 Qe2xd3 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5
g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 Rb1-c1 Qe7-e4 Re1xe3 Nc6-a5
Qb3-e6 Qe4xe6 Re3xe6 Na5-b3 Rc1-f1 Nb3xc5 Re6xg6 Rd8-f8 Rf1-d1 Nc5-e4
Rg6-e6 Kb8-b7 Rd1-d5 Ne4-d6 Re6-g6 a7-a5 Nf3-d4 Nd6-c4 a3-a4 Nc4-b2 Nd4-e6
Rf8-c8 Rd5xf5 Nb2xa4 Rf5-e5 Na4-c3 f4-f5 a5-a4 Re5-e3 Nc3-b5 f5-f6)
-1.20/41 102} Ne3 {(Nf5-e3 Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7
a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Kg1-h1 Qe7-f7 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Rh8-e8 Qe3-d2 Re8xe1+
Ra1xe1) +1.13/27 5} 13. Qe2 {(Qd1-e2 O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7
Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+
Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6
a3-a4 Qe7-c5 Re1-c1 Qc5-d6 Qb3xe3 Rh7-e7 Rb1xb6+ c7xb6 Qe3xb6+ Re7-b7
Qb6xc6 Qd6xf4 Qc6-c3 Qf4-b4 Qc3xb4 Rb7xb4 Nf3-e5 Rd8-c8 Rc1-f1 Rb4-e4
Ne5xg6 Rc8-c5 Kg1-h2 Kb8-c7 Kh2-g3 Kc7-d6 Rf1-f3 Re4xa4 Ng6-h4 Kd6-e6
Rf3-f2 Rc5-b5 Rf2-c2 f5-f4+ Kg3-h2 Rb5-b6 Rc2-f2 Ke6-f6) -1.16/35 9} O-O-O
{(O-O-O c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7 a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Ra1-b1 Qe7-e6
b4-b5 Ba7xc5 b5xc6 Qe6xc6 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Re1-c1 Qc6-d6 Bd3-e4) +0.96/28 11}
14. c4 {(c2-c4 Be6-d7 b2-b4 h7-h6 Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3
Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7
Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 Rb1-c1 Qe7-e4 Re1xe3 Nc6-a5 Qb3-e6 Qe4xe6 Re3xe6
Na5-b3 Rc1-f1 Nb3xc5 Re6xg6 Rd8-f8 Nf3-h4 Nc5-e4 Kg1-h2 c7-c5 Rg6-e6 c5-c4
g2-g4 Ne4-c5 Re6-e2 f5xg4 h3xg4 Rh7-g7 Kh2-h3 Rf8-g8 Re2-g2 Rg7-d7 Nh4-f5
Rg8-h8 Rg2-e2 c4-c3 Kh3-h4) -1.20/36 29} Bd7 {(Be6-d7 b2-b4 f7-f6 Ng5xh7
a7-a5 c4-c5 Bb6-a7 Ra1-b1 Qe7-f7 Bc1-d2 Qf7-d5 b4-b5 Nc6-e7 b5-b6 Ba7-b8
Nf3xd4 Ne3-f5 Nd4xf5 Bd7xf5 Bd3xf5+) +1.47/28 15} 15. b4 {(b2-b4 h7-h6
Ng5-h7 Bd7-f5 Bd3xf5+ Ne3xf5 Qe2-d3 Nf5-e3 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 Bc1xe3 d4xe3
Qd3-f5+ Kc8-b8 b4xc5 g7-g6 Qf5-c2 Rh8xh7 Ra1-b1 f7-f5 Qc2-b3 b7-b6 Rb1-c1
Qe7-e4 Re1xe3 Nc6-a5 Qb3-e6 Qe4xe6 Re3xe6 Na5-b3 Rc1-f1 Nb3xc5 Re6xg6
Rd8-f8 Nf3-h4 Nc5-e4 Rg6-e6 h6-h5 Rf1-d1 Ne4-d6 Rd1-d5 a7-a5 Re6-e5 Rh7-f7
Nh4-g6 Rf8-g8 Ng6-h4 Rg8-g3 a3-a4 Rf7-g7 Kg1-h2 Rg3-a3 Nh4xf5 Nd6xf5 Re5xf5
Ra3xa4) -1.20/37 20} f6 {(f7-f6 c4-c5 Bb6xc5 b4xc5 f6xg5 Ra1-b1 g5xf4
Qe2-b2 b7-b6 c5xb6 a7xb6 Bc1-d2 Nc6-e5 Bd3-a6+ Kc8-b8 Nf3xd4 Rh8-e8 Bd2xe3
f4xe3 Re1xe3) +1.55/28 14} 16. c5 {(c4-c5 Bb6xc5 b4xc5 f6xg5 Nf3xg5 h7-h6
Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1
Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7 Qe3-c1 Qe7-f8 Qc1-e3 h6-h5 Qe3-f3 g7-g6
Ne4-g5 Qf8xc5 Rd1-d5 Nc6-d4 Rd5xc5 Nd4xf3+ Ng5xf3 Bf5xb1 Rc5-c1 Bb1-f5
Nf3-h4 Bf5-e4 g2-g4 b7-b5 Kh2-g3 a7-a6 g4xh5 g6xh5 f4-f5) -1.28/37 80} Bxc5
{(Bb6xc5 b4xc5 f6xg5 Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Ra1-b1 Rf8xf4
Qe2-b2 b7-b6 Re1xe3 Kc8-b8 Rb1-e1 Qe7-e5 Qb2xe5 Nc6xe5 Ne4-c3) +1.43/31 14}
17. bxc5 {(b4xc5 f6xg5 Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3
Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1
Qf7-e7 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 Qe3-f3 Qe7-f8 Re1-d1 g7-g6 g2-g4 Bf5-c8 Bb1-c2 g6-g5
f4-f5 h6-h5 Qf3-c3 h5xg4 h3xg4 Nc6-e5 Ne4-f2) -1.28/31 11} fxg5 {(f6xg5
Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Ra1-b1 Rf8xf4 Qe2-b2 b7-b6 Re1xe3
Kc8-b8 Rb1-e1 Rf4-f8 Bd3-a6 Rf8-f5 Ne4-g3 Qe7-f6 Qb2xf6) +1.35/32 7} 18.
Nxg5 {(Nf3xg5 h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8
Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 Qe3-f3
Kb8-a8 Qf3-b3 Qe7-f8 Qb3-f3 Ka8-a7 Re1-d1 h6-h5 Rd1-d5 g7-g6 Ne4-c3 Bf5xb1
Nc3xb1 Re8-e1 Nb1-c3 Qf8-f6 Rd5-d3 Qf6-f5 Qf3-g3 Re1-e7 Nc3-d5 Re7-d7)
-1.28/33 22} h6 {(h7-h6 Ng5-e4 Rh8-e8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Kc8-b8 Bd3-b5
a7-a6 Bb5-a4 Nc6-a7 Ba4xd7 Qe7xd7 Kg1-h2 Qd7-a4 Qe3-f3 Qa4-c6 a3-a4 Na7-c8
Ne4-f2) +1.49/31 33} 19. Ne4 {(Ng5-e4 Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7
Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7
Qe3-c1 Qe7-f8 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 g2-g4 Bf5-c8 Kh2-g3 h6-h5 f4-f5 Bc8-d7 Qc1-c3
Re8-e5 Re1-d1 Qf8-e7 Bb1-c2 Kb8-a7 Bc2-b1 Bd7-e8 Qc3-d2 Ka7-a8 Bb1-c2
h5-h4+ Kg3-f4 Ka8-a7 Bc2-b1 g7-g6 f5-f6 Qe7-e6 Kf4-f3 Qe6-b3+ Qd2-d3)
-1.29/34 23} Rhf8 {(Rh8-f8 Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Kc8-b8 Ne4-g3
h6-h5 Ra1-b1 h5-h4 Ng3-e2 Bd7-f5 Bd3-a6 Bf5-c8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-g6 Ba6-b5 Qg6-f6
Rb1-d1) +1.47/32 39} 20. Bxe3 {(Bc1xe3 d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Bd7-f5
Ra1-d1 Rf8-e8 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 g2-g4 Bf5-c8 Qe3-f3 a7-a6 Kg1-g2
Bc8-e6 Kg2-g3 Be6-a2 Ne4-f2 Qf7-c4 Qf3-d3 Qc4-e6 Qd3-e4 Ba2xb1 Qe4xe6
Re8xe6 Rd1xb1 Re6-e3+ Kg3-h4 Re3-f3 Rb1-b2 Rf3xf4 Kh4-h5 Rf4-f6 Rb2-d2
Nc6-e5 Rd2-d8+ Kb8-a7 Nf2-d3 Ne5-f7 Rd8-g8 g7-g6+ Rg8xg6 Rf6-f3 Rg6-g7
Rf3xh3+ Kh5-g6 Nf7-h8+ Kg6-h7 Rh3xd3 Rg7xc7 Rd3xa3 c5-c6) -1.26/34 21} dxe3
{(d4xe3 Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 a7-a6 Qe3-c1
Bd7-f5 Bd3-c4 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Bf5-e6 Bc4xe6 Re8xe6 Ne4-c3 Re6-e7 Rd1-d5)
+1.02/27 4} 21. Qxe3 {(Qe2xe3 Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1
Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Qf7-e7 Rd1-e1 a7-a6 g2-g4 Bf5-d7 Qe3-f2 Nc6-d8
Bb1-d3 Bd7-c6 Re1-e2 Qe7-f8 Kh2-g3 Nd8-e6 Bd3-c4 g7-g6 Ne4-d2 Ne6xc5
Re2xe8+ Bc6xe8 Qf2-e3 Be8-c6 Bc4-e2 b7-b5 Be2-f3 Qf8-d6 Bf3xc6 Qd6xc6
Qe3-d4 Kb8-c8 f4-f5 g6xf5 g4xf5 Nc5-d7 Qd4-h8+ Kc8-b7 Qh8-d4 Nd7-f6 Kg3-f4
Kb7-c8 Nd2-f3 Nf6-d5+ Kf4-e4) -1.28/38 79} Qf7 {(Qe7-f7 Re1-f1 Rf8-e8
Ra1-d1 Kc8-b8 Kg1-h2 Bd7-f5 Bd3-b1 Rd8xd1 Rf1xd1 a7-a6 Qe3-f3 Qf7-f8 Rd1-d5
Re8-e7 Rd5-d2 Qf8-f7 g2-g4 Bf5-h7 f4-f5) +1.35/33 11} 22. Rf1 Bf5 23. Rad1 Rfe8
24. Bb1 Rxd1 25. Rxd1 Kb8 26. Kh2 Qe7 27. Re1 a6 28. Qf3 Bg6 29. Qf2 h5 30. Bc2 Qf8
31. g4 hxg4 32.hxg4 Nd4 33. Bb1 Bxe4 34. Rxe4 Rxe4 35. Bxe4 Qxc5 36. Kg2 Qd6
37. f5 Qe5 38. Bd3 Kc8 39. g5 Kd7 40. Kh3 b5 41. Kg4 c5 42. Kh5 Qd5 43. Qf4 Qd6 44.
Qf2 c4 45. Bb1 Ke8 46. Qe3+ Kf8 47. Kg4 Nc6 48. Kh3 Qd1 49. Be4 Qd4 50. Qf4
Qe5 51. Qh4 Nd4 52. g6 Ke8 53. Qg4 Ke7 54. Qh4+ Ke8 55. Qg4 Ke7 56. Qh4+
Qf6 57. Qf4 Ne6 58. Qg3 Nc5 59. a4 Nd7 60. axb5 axb5 61. Qf2 Qe5 62. Bb1
Kd6 63. Bc2 Kd5 64. Qd2+ Kc6 65. Qg2+ Kc5 66. Qg1+ Kb4 67. Qb1+ Ka5 68.
Qa2+ Kb6 69. Bd1 Qxf5+ 70. Kg2 Qxg6+ 71. Kf1 Qd3+ 72. Be2 Qd4 73. Qa8 Nc5
74. Qb8+ Ka5 75. Kg2 Kb4 76. Kf3 Qe4+ 77. Kf2 Nd3+ 78. Bxd3 Qd4+ 79. Kf1
Qxd3+ 80. Kg2 c3 81. Qe5 c2 82. Qb2+ Kc4 83. Qa2+ Kc3 84. Qa5+ Kb3 85. Qe1
Qg6+ 86. Kf2 Qf6+ 87. Kg2 Qg5+ 88. Kh3 c1=Q 89. Qxc1 Qxc1 90. Kg2 Qg5+ 91.
Kf3 Kc4 92. Ke4 Kc3 93. Kf3 Kd3 94. Kf2 Qg4 95. Kf1 Ke3 96. Ke1 Qe2# 0-1[/pgn]
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Re: The game of chess needs 2 major changes.......

Post by jefk »

CQ asked:
Could forcing to play gambit lines to whoever is rated higher eliminate the drawing chances?
Short answer, No (unless you want to -try to- run your own 'chess' club with such rules).

Longer answer, it's not so simple, of course. First of all it depends on what sort of chess (and
"gambit lines", or other lines) we are talking about, human otb, blitz, slow (at which level), engine
games (engine testing, playchess or TCEC), or correspondence chess, computer assisted (ICCF) or not.

For -high level- engine testing the UHO openings seem suitable, although i didn't observe many
gambits and a lot of very unconventional stuff as (vaguely from memory 1.d3 e6 2.d4 d6 3.Nf3
etc. If the engine ratings are far apart, eg. at lower level(s) this isn't necessary and that's
how the G.B(anks) tourns are being run, with a ctg book he made himself and apparently not
double games (note that with Cutechess you can run double games, not sure what GB does).
For TCEC they already figured it out, play double games (b/w reversed), forcing a certain
opening lines (gambit are possible but not required). Note that this (engine testing)
isn't Fide regulated so basically you can do whatever you want.

In (Fide/ICCF) correspondence chess for the top 1/3 which is about 1500 players, the draw rate
is 99 pct or higher (and it's a result of chess being fundamentally a draw (with unrestricted openings)).
This obviously needs to be addressed, and I already suggested a preliminary solution in another thread
(1. Thematic tournaments with certain openings a system which already exists, incl gambits or otherwise
with low draw rates) and 2. making such tournaments more attractive by making them rated,
ie. letting the player results contribute to their conventional rating (I intend to send a message
with this idea via the ICCF website to two officials, incl the tourn manager).
Not going to comment on (official) human chess (which so far is less problematic, at least for
the faster games) and also not on Playchess.com engine games (not my business), I thought already
about suitable openings for rated ICCF thematic tournaments, such openings should indeed have a
low expected draw rate, but imo also not too biased for one side (like the Halasz gambit you now
posted (for a second time). For suitable openings (and expected draw rate) we can look at:
https://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4 ... score.html
From this list I already did quick and rough selection, as suggestion of
the sorts of openings (up till 6, 8 moves or so):

QGA Ericson var
Petrov French attack
Ponziani, Romanishi var
KGA Kieseritsky Berlin defense
KGD classical Marshall attack
Gedults opening (preferably unconventional line(s)
Sicilian Richter Rauzer, Rauzer attack Geller var
KGA Kieseritsky Neumann defense
Nimzo Indian Noa variation main line
English closed 5.Rb1 Taimanov
Two knights defense (Pauli variation
Evans gambit compromised defense
Bishops opening classical variation
Sicilian Dragon Yugoslav 9...Bd7
etc (the are much more possibilities)

(sofar) haven't checked above lines in detail so don't criticize me on the details regarding
above lines; it later on should be up to the ICCF of course (and to the players, finding
such a tourn interesting enough to join it) The Halasz gambit (with f4) isn't
included in this list (and isn't suitable imo because at higher levels it gives too
much advantage for White) but some Smith Morra gambits IMO might be included.