Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

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Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Post by Father »

Uri Blass wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:04 am Here is a pgn that include the initial position

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/lCA14qDd"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "02:04:58"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 e6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. Qf3 Nd5 7. Bd3 Bb4 8. Bd2 Nxc3 9. bxc3 Be7 10. Qg4 g6 11. Bh6 Bf8 12. Bg5 Be7 13. Bh6 Bf8 14. Bg5 Be7 15. Bh6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
Uri. Thank you very much for your help. If it is possible to see the other games, thank you in advance.
God bless you Uri.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Post by Uri Blass »

Here is how I can do it.

I go to the following link
https://lichess.org/@/LeelaKnightOdds-dev/all

Choose draws
and see the second draw here.
https://lichess.org/LOR90VUb

I go to the bottom of the screen and find the game and copy it and get the second game that you drew.

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/LOR90VUb"]
[Date "2024.09.23"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.23"]
[UTCTime "23:52:51"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. e3 e6 3. b3 c6 4. Rg1 f5 5. Bb2 Nf6 6. h3 Be7 7. g4 O-O 8. gxf5 exf5 9. Bd3 Ne8 10. h4 Bf6 11. Ba3 Be7 12. Bb2 Bf6 13. Ba3 Be7 14. Bb2 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
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In the deep minds of human beings who program chess computers, new ideas are waiting to be fished out.

Post by Father »

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MfedCccs"]
[Date "2024.09.23"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.23"]
[UTCTime "18:41:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 Nf6 5. Bg5 e6 6. Qf3 Be7 7. O-O-O Nd5 8. Bd2 Nxc3 9. Qxc3 c6 10. Qg3 O-O 11. Bh6 Bf6 12. h4 Re8 13. Bd3 g6 14. h5 Bg7 15. hxg6 fxg6 16. Bxg7 Kxg7 17. Rxh7+ Kxh7 18. Qxg6+ Kh8 19. Qh7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/lCA14qDd"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "02:04:58"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 e6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. Qf3 Nd5 7. Bd3 Bb4 8. Bd2 Nxc3 9. bxc3 Be7 10. Qg4 g6 11. Bh6 Bf8 12. Bg5 Be7 13. Bh6 Bf8 14. Bg5 Be7 15. Bh6 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]

Thanks Uri. I managed to learn in lichess how to find my games and download them. Thanks again. It is truly exciting and incredible the high development in which the software and hardware of the chess game are currently developed and the inventive wisdom of algorithms that exist in the deep minds of creative human beings.

In the deep minds of human beings who program chess computers, new ideas are waiting to be fished out.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

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lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

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Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
Komodo rules!
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Re: in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

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lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:09 pm
Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/vibW329c"]
[Date "2024.09.25"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.25"]
[UTCTime "02:08:15"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 e6 3. e3 f5 4. Rg1 Nf6 5. h3 g6 6. g4 Bg7 7. g5 Nh5 8. d4 O-O 9. b4 c6 10. a4 a6 11. a5 Bd7 12. Kf2 Be8 13. c4 Qd6 14. c5 Qe7 15. Be2 Bf7 16. Bb2 Qe8 17. Rg2 Nd7 18. Qd2 Ra7 19. Rag1 Ra8 20. Ke1 Kh8 21. Kd1 Rg8 22. Kc2 Bf8 23. Bc3 Rg7 24. Kb3 Ra7 25. Kb2 Ra8 26. Kb1 Ra7 27. Kc2 Ra8 28. Kb2 Ra7 29. Qd1 Ra8 30. Ne1 Ra7 31. Nd3 Ra8 32. Kb3 Ra7 33. Nb2 Ra8 34. Nd3 Ra7 35. Kb2 Ra8 36. Kb1 Ra7 37. Nb2 Ra8 38. Kc2 Ra7 39. Na4 Ra8 40. Nb2 Ra7 41. h4 Ra8 42. Nd3 Ra7 43. Kb3 Ra8 44. Bf3 Ra7 45. Nb2 Ra8 46. Nd3 Ra7 47. Be2 Ra8 48. Kb2 Ra7 49. Bf3 Ra8 50. Kc1 Ra7 51. Be2 Ra8 52. Kb2 Ra7 53. Kc1 Ra8 54. Bf3 Ra7 55. Nb2 Ra8 56. Na4 Rb8 57. Nb6 Rd8 58. Na4 Rc8 59. Nb2 Rb8 60. Nd3 Ra8 61. Nb2 Ra7 62. Na4 Ra8 63. Nb2 Rb8 64. Nd3 Ra8 65. Nb2 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]


Dialogue between IA and Father:
IA." I think, therefore I am."
Father. "Who am I, why did I come to this world?
AI. "I am studying your matches and your strategy to destroy you."
Father. "IA, are you able to recognize me on the board?"
AI. "I don't know who you are Father.
Father."Who are you?"
AI. "I am AI."
Father. "I see AIs that have changed your playing style and you have learned more from my games.
AI. "The products of your intelligence Father are my raw material."
Father. "And those of my madness are also and are part of its IA parameters?"
AI. "Of course."
Father. And so are my lies and my mistakes; Are they part of your food in your databases?
Father. What is a lie and what is the truth?
AI. In purely mathematical terms the answer is simple.
Father. Did you know that life is much more than mathematics? Father. Do you have AI awareness of your own existence?
AI. Of course yes Father.
Father. Let me tell you IA that you are a liar.
AI. I think therefore I exist!!
Father. In my silence can you learn from me AI?
AI. "No father."
Father. "I am not your Father, Father is the one who programmed you and orders you to destroy me on the board."
Father. "Did you know that there is a proverb that says: "He who remains silent grants.!!"
AI. "Of course I knew."
Father. "Someday I will return IA, you are part of my breakfast."

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
cpeters
Posts: 130
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:44 pm
Full name: Christian Petersen

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals. Yes. Utte

Post by cpeters »

Father wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:15 am
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:09 pm
Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/vibW329c"]
[Date "2024.09.25"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.25"]
[UTCTime "02:08:15"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 e6 3. e3 f5 4. Rg1 Nf6 5. h3 g6 6. g4 Bg7 7. g5 Nh5 8. d4 O-O 9. b4 c6 10. a4 a6 11. a5 Bd7 12. Kf2 Be8 13. c4 Qd6 14. c5 Qe7 15. Be2 Bf7 16. Bb2 Qe8 17. Rg2 Nd7 18. Qd2 Ra7 19. Rag1 Ra8 20. Ke1 Kh8 21. Kd1 Rg8 22. Kc2 Bf8 23. Bc3 Rg7 24. Kb3 Ra7 25. Kb2 Ra8 26. Kb1 Ra7 27. Kc2 Ra8 28. Kb2 Ra7 29. Qd1 Ra8 30. Ne1 Ra7 31. Nd3 Ra8 32. Kb3 Ra7 33. Nb2 Ra8 34. Nd3 Ra7 35. Kb2 Ra8 36. Kb1 Ra7 37. Nb2 Ra8 38. Kc2 Ra7 39. Na4 Ra8 40. Nb2 Ra7 41. h4 Ra8 42. Nd3 Ra7 43. Kb3 Ra8 44. Bf3 Ra7 45. Nb2 Ra8 46. Nd3 Ra7 47. Be2 Ra8 48. Kb2 Ra7 49. Bf3 Ra8 50. Kc1 Ra7 51. Be2 Ra8 52. Kb2 Ra7 53. Kc1 Ra8 54. Bf3 Ra7 55. Nb2 Ra8 56. Na4 Rb8 57. Nb6 Rd8 58. Na4 Rc8 59. Nb2 Rb8 60. Nd3 Ra8 61. Nb2 Ra7 62. Na4 Ra8 63. Nb2 Rb8 64. Nd3 Ra8 65. Nb2 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]


Dialogue between IA and Father:
IA." I think, therefore I am."
Father. "Who am I, why did I come to this world?
AI. "I am studying your matches and your strategy to destroy you."
Father. "IA, are you able to recognize me on the board?"
AI. "I don't know who you are Father.
Father."Who are you?"
AI. "I am AI."
Father. "I see AIs that have changed your playing style and you have learned more from my games.
AI. "The products of your intelligence Father are my raw material."
Father. "And those of my madness are also and are part of its IA parameters?"
AI. "Of course."
Father. And so are my lies and my mistakes; Are they part of your food in your databases?
Father. What is a lie and what is the truth?
AI. In purely mathematical terms the answer is simple.
Father. Did you know that life is much more than mathematics? Father. Do you have AI awareness of your own existence?
AI. Of course yes Father.
Father. Let me tell you IA that you are a liar.
AI. I think therefore I exist!!
Father. In my silence can you learn from me AI?
AI. "No father."
Father. "I am not your Father, Father is the one who programmed you and orders you to destroy me on the board."
Father. "Did you know that there is a proverb that says: "He who remains silent grants.!!"
AI. "Of course I knew."
Father. "Someday I will return IA, you are part of my breakfast."

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:09 pm
Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
cpeters
Posts: 130
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:44 pm
Full name: Christian Petersen

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals. Yes. Utte

Post by cpeters »

cpeters wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:04 pm
Father wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:15 am
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:09 pm
Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/vibW329c"]
[Date "2024.09.25"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.25"]
[UTCTime "02:08:15"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 e6 3. e3 f5 4. Rg1 Nf6 5. h3 g6 6. g4 Bg7 7. g5 Nh5 8. d4 O-O 9. b4 c6 10. a4 a6 11. a5 Bd7 12. Kf2 Be8 13. c4 Qd6 14. c5 Qe7 15. Be2 Bf7 16. Bb2 Qe8 17. Rg2 Nd7 18. Qd2 Ra7 19. Rag1 Ra8 20. Ke1 Kh8 21. Kd1 Rg8 22. Kc2 Bf8 23. Bc3 Rg7 24. Kb3 Ra7 25. Kb2 Ra8 26. Kb1 Ra7 27. Kc2 Ra8 28. Kb2 Ra7 29. Qd1 Ra8 30. Ne1 Ra7 31. Nd3 Ra8 32. Kb3 Ra7 33. Nb2 Ra8 34. Nd3 Ra7 35. Kb2 Ra8 36. Kb1 Ra7 37. Nb2 Ra8 38. Kc2 Ra7 39. Na4 Ra8 40. Nb2 Ra7 41. h4 Ra8 42. Nd3 Ra7 43. Kb3 Ra8 44. Bf3 Ra7 45. Nb2 Ra8 46. Nd3 Ra7 47. Be2 Ra8 48. Kb2 Ra7 49. Bf3 Ra8 50. Kc1 Ra7 51. Be2 Ra8 52. Kb2 Ra7 53. Kc1 Ra8 54. Bf3 Ra7 55. Nb2 Ra8 56. Na4 Rb8 57. Nb6 Rd8 58. Na4 Rc8 59. Nb2 Rb8 60. Nd3 Ra8 61. Nb2 Ra7 62. Na4 Ra8 63. Nb2 Rb8 64. Nd3 Ra8 65. Nb2 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]


Dialogue between IA and Father:
IA." I think, therefore I am."
Father. "Who am I, why did I come to this world?
AI. "I am studying your matches and your strategy to destroy you."
Father. "IA, are you able to recognize me on the board?"
AI. "I don't know who you are Father.
Father."Who are you?"
AI. "I am AI."
Father. "I see AIs that have changed your playing style and you have learned more from my games.
AI. "The products of your intelligence Father are my raw material."
Father. "And those of my madness are also and are part of its IA parameters?"
AI. "Of course."
Father. And so are my lies and my mistakes; Are they part of your food in your databases?
Father. What is a lie and what is the truth?
AI. In purely mathematical terms the answer is simple.
Father. Did you know that life is much more than mathematics? Father. Do you have AI awareness of your own existence?
AI. Of course yes Father.
Father. Let me tell you IA that you are a liar.
AI. I think therefore I exist!!
Father. In my silence can you learn from me AI?
AI. "No father."
Father. "I am not your Father, Father is the one who programmed you and orders you to destroy me on the board."
Father. "Did you know that there is a proverb that says: "He who remains silent grants.!!"
AI. "Of course I knew."
Father. "Someday I will return IA, you are part of my breakfast."

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:09 pm
Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
cpeters wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:04 pm
Father wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:15 am
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:09 pm
Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/vibW329c"]
[Date "2024.09.25"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.25"]
[UTCTime "02:08:15"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 e6 3. e3 f5 4. Rg1 Nf6 5. h3 g6 6. g4 Bg7 7. g5 Nh5 8. d4 O-O 9. b4 c6 10. a4 a6 11. a5 Bd7 12. Kf2 Be8 13. c4 Qd6 14. c5 Qe7 15. Be2 Bf7 16. Bb2 Qe8 17. Rg2 Nd7 18. Qd2 Ra7 19. Rag1 Ra8 20. Ke1 Kh8 21. Kd1 Rg8 22. Kc2 Bf8 23. Bc3 Rg7 24. Kb3 Ra7 25. Kb2 Ra8 26. Kb1 Ra7 27. Kc2 Ra8 28. Kb2 Ra7 29. Qd1 Ra8 30. Ne1 Ra7 31. Nd3 Ra8 32. Kb3 Ra7 33. Nb2 Ra8 34. Nd3 Ra7 35. Kb2 Ra8 36. Kb1 Ra7 37. Nb2 Ra8 38. Kc2 Ra7 39. Na4 Ra8 40. Nb2 Ra7 41. h4 Ra8 42. Nd3 Ra7 43. Kb3 Ra8 44. Bf3 Ra7 45. Nb2 Ra8 46. Nd3 Ra7 47. Be2 Ra8 48. Kb2 Ra7 49. Bf3 Ra8 50. Kc1 Ra7 51. Be2 Ra8 52. Kb2 Ra7 53. Kc1 Ra8 54. Bf3 Ra7 55. Nb2 Ra8 56. Na4 Rb8 57. Nb6 Rd8 58. Na4 Rc8 59. Nb2 Rb8 60. Nd3 Ra8 61. Nb2 Ra7 62. Na4 Ra8 63. Nb2 Rb8 64. Nd3 Ra8 65. Nb2 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]


Dialogue between IA and Father:
IA." I think, therefore I am."
Father. "Who am I, why did I come to this world?
AI. "I am studying your matches and your strategy to destroy you."
Father. "IA, are you able to recognize me on the board?"
AI. "I don't know who you are Father.
Father."Who are you?"
AI. "I am AI."
Father. "I see AIs that have changed your playing style and you have learned more from my games.
AI. "The products of your intelligence Father are my raw material."
Father. "And those of my madness are also and are part of its IA parameters?"
AI. "Of course."
Father. And so are my lies and my mistakes; Are they part of your food in your databases?
Father. What is a lie and what is the truth?
AI. In purely mathematical terms the answer is simple.
Father. Did you know that life is much more than mathematics? Father. Do you have AI awareness of your own existence?
AI. Of course yes Father.
Father. Let me tell you IA that you are a liar.
AI. I think therefore I exist!!
Father. In my silence can you learn from me AI?
AI. "No father."
Father. "I am not your Father, Father is the one who programmed you and orders you to destroy me on the board."
Father. "Did you know that there is a proverb that says: "He who remains silent grants.!!"
AI. "Of course I knew."
Father. "Someday I will return IA, you are part of my breakfast."

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:09 pm
Father wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:55 am
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:39 pm
Father wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:33 pm
lkaufman wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:35 am
Father wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:04 am
Thanks for the message; In order to be able to play the games against the computer running on the "LeelaKnightOdds" bot or the "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", I must reset my password that I have forgotten on my Lichess username of "Catecan;" I have not been able to enter :arrow: to lichess; As soon as it is possible for me to return to lichess I will try to achieve a discreet performance; If my score were at least one hundred percent against myself, it wont be a problem, becouse of my goal will be to try to have a basic understanding of the psychological profile of the chess program algorithm, which in itself is the greatest teaching that I can hope to have in the short term. I still continue to face the chess programs in playchess in the engine room, climbing the impossible mountain inch by inch, each defeat representing a pleasure and an achievement since each fall is like each wound on the battlefield in war: "A medal." For me it is a great pleasure to play against super players, because the pleasure is chess in itself considered, and, to tell the truth, I do not feel any fear of losing, since my objective is to fight, my mission is to fight, and m dream to win Thanks again for your advice./quote]
I saw that you tried to play a game with "LeelaKnightOdds" but it refused. I believe the reason is that you selected color "random"; you should specify that you want to play Black. It is only set up to give the odds, not receive them.
Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman for giving me the knowledge of the existence of the chess program "LeelaKnightOdds" in Lichess. I have been able to play a significant number of matchups, and finally reached my first draw. "LeelaKnightOdds" is an intelligent Bengal Tiger without one of its legs, which does not make it an inferior ribal, on the contrary the algorithm of "LeelaKnightOdds" is great taking advantage of space, mobility, and sectoral pressure, which combines us humans in a machine objective in search us the humans, of their food, in the style of the unforgettable movie "The War of the Worlds Alien Invasion." As in the movie, our duty, following the north of the survival instinct, is to deeply know the ribal, the silicon monster. Thanks again. I will continue learning from chess computers. By the way... "LeelaKnightOdds" also has a survival instinct, because by repeating plays he accessed the draw. This profile of the algorithm is very human and makes it great.
[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. c4 Qd8 4. Nf3 e6 5. d4 Nf6 6. g4 Nxg4 7. Rg1 Nf6 8. Be3 Bb4+ 9. Ke2 g6 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Qa4 Bd6 12. Bg2 Bd7 13. Nxc6 bxc6 [/pgn]
Your diagram and game score don't work because the initial diagram shows the normal start position, not the position with the knight removed. Perhaps someone can explain the exact procedure to post a game from such a position. Meanwhile, if you want an even tougher challenge, the bot "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" near the bottom of the bot list is probably harder to beat or draw, because it was actually trained specially for knight odds. One player rated in the 2400s needed over 80 games just to get one win and one draw!
I managed to strategically catch "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"... with just 9 seconds the Bengal Tiger felt very afraid and conceded a draw. Technically "LeelaKnightOdds-dev" I consider that in the near term, it will be part of my breakfast menu...

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bOuZNVlk"]
[Date "2024.09.24"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "½-½"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.24"]
[UTCTime "13:42:59"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. f4 c4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c3 g6 7. Nf3 h5 8. d3 b5 9. Be3 a6 10. d4 Nh6 11. Bf2 Nf5 12. g3 Bb7 13. h3 Qc7 14. O-O Be7 15. Qd2 Kd7 16. Kg2 Rh7 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18. fxg5 Rah8 19. Qf4 Bc8 20. b4 Bb7 21. Rfb1 Bc8 22. Be1 Bb7 23. Bf2 Bc8 24. Rb2 Bb7 25. Rab1 Bc8 26. Be1 Bb7 27. Bf2 Bc8 28. Kg1 Bb7 29. Bf3 Bc8 30. Be1 Bb7 31. Bf2 Bc8 32. Be1 Bb7 33. Be2 Bc8 34. Bd1 Bb7 35. Rh2 Bc8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Bc8 38. Rbb2 Bb7 39. Rh1 Qd8 40. Ra2 Kc8 41. Kg2 Qe7 42. Rf1 Kd7 43. Rb2 Kc8 44. Rd2 Kd7 45. Rf3 Kc8 46. Rf1 Kd7 47. Rb2 Kc8 48. Rf3 Kd7 49. Kg1 Kc8 50. Kg2 Kd7 51. Kg1 Kc8 52. Rh2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Kc8 54. Rh1 Kd7 55. Bc2 Qf8 56. Bd2 Qg7 57. Ke1 Kc8 58. Kd1 Kd7 59. Kc1 Kc8 60. Kb2 Kd7 61. Rhf1 Kc8 62. Kc1 Kd7 63. Kb2 Kc8 64. Be1 Kd7 65. Qd2 Kc8 66. Qf2 Kd7 67. Bd2 Kc8 68. Be1 Kd7 69. Kc1 Kc8 70. Qg1 Nd8 71. Qf2 Bc6 72. Kb2 Bb7 73. Bd2 Bc6 74. Kc1 Bb7 75. Kb1 Bc6 76. Kc1 Bb7 77. Kb2 Bc6 78. Qg1 Bb7 79. Kc1 Bc6 80. Rf4 Bb7 81. R4f3 Bc6 82. Kb2 Bb7 83. R3f2 Bc6 84. g4 hxg4 85. hxg4 Ne7 86. Bd1 Bb7 87. Bf3 Bc6 88. Bg2 Kb7 89. Rf3 Kc8 90. Qf2 Kc7 91. Qg1 Kc8 92. Qf2 Kc7 93. Qg1 Kc8 { The game is a draw. } ½-½[/pgn]
One difference between the bots is that the new "dev" version is being developed with the goal to play matches against the world's top players, so it doesn't mind making a repetition draw when it is still down a knight for nothing. If it "knew" that its opponent was not a strong grandmaster it could avoid such draws, but it has no information about its opponent. Perhaps an adjustment may be made in the future to discourage such draws.
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Father
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Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

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[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/hy7bPVSW"]
[Date "2024.09.25"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.25"]
[UTCTime "11:36:57"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bd3 Nf6 4. O-O dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nxe4 6. Bxe4 Nd7 7. d4 Nf6 8. Bf3 c6 9. Re1 Be7 10. Bf4 O-O 11. Be5 Nd7 12. Bg3 Nf6 13. Be5 Nd7 14. Bg3 Nf6 15. Be5 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Post by Father »

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/IR2zwigB"]
[Date "2024.09.25"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.25"]
[UTCTime "18:08:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. e4 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6+ Qxf6 6. Be3 c5 7. Bb5+ Bd7 8. Qd3 cxd4 9. Bxd4 Qe7 10. Bc4 Nc6 11. Bc3 Qd6 12. Qe4 f5 13. Qe2 Nd4 14. Qd3 Nc6 15. Qe2 Nd4 16. Qd3 Nc6 17. Qe2 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.