Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Discussion of anything and everything relating to chess playing software and machines.

Moderators: hgm, Rebel, chrisw

Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Post by Father »

https://lichess.org/@/LeelaRookOdds versus Father. 0-1 time control.
Man versus machine.

[pgn] anotar

[Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/VXpsgUSs"]
[Date "2024.09.28"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.28"]
[UTCTime "16:09:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. g4 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Qd3 Nf6 6. g5 Ne4 7. a3 Nxc3 8. Qxc3 cxd4 9. Nxd4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Qb6 11. Qe5 Qd6 12. Qg3 Qxg3 13. hxg3 g6 14. Bd2 Bg7 15. b3 O-O 16. Bb4 Re8 17. Kd1 b6 18. Bg2 Bb7 19. a4 Red8 20. Kc1 Rab8 21. Be7 Rd7 22. Bf6 Bxf6 23. gxf6 d4 24. Bxb7 Rbxb7 25. Kd2 Rd5 26. e4 dxe3+ 27. Kxe3 Rf5 28. Rd1 Rxf6 29. f3 Kg7 30. Rd3 Rf5 31. g4 Rc5 32. c4 Rbc7 33. Rd1 a5 34. Kf4 R5c6 35. g5 h5 36. gxh6+ Kxh6 37. Ke5 Kg7 38. Kf4 f6 39. Ke4 e5 40. Rd8 Rf7 41. Kd5 Rfc7 42. Ke4 Kf7 43. Ke3 Ke6 44. Re8+ Re7 45. Rd8 g5 46. Rd2 Rd6 47. Rxd6+ Kxd6 48. Ke4 Ke6 49. Kd3 Rd7+ 50. Ke3 Rd4 51. Ke2 Rf4 52. Ke3 f5 53. c5 g4 54. fxg4 fxg4 55. cxb6 g3 56. b7 Rb4 57. Kf3 Rxb7 58. Kxg3 Rxb3+ 59. Kf2 Rb4 60. Ke2 Rxa4 61. Kd2 Rb4 62. Kc3 Rd4 63. Kb3 Kd5 64. Kc3 e4 65. Kb3 e3 66. Kc3 e2 67. Kc2 e1=Q 68. Kb2 Qe3 69. Kc2 Rd2+ 70. Kc1 Qe1# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Post by Father »

Father wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 6:23 pm https://lichess.org/@/LeelaRookOdds versus Father. 0-1 time control.
Man versus machine.

[pgn] anotar

[Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/VXpsgUSs"]
[Date "2024.09.28"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.28"]
[UTCTime "16:09:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. g4 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Qd3 Nf6 6. g5 Ne4 7. a3 Nxc3 8. Qxc3 cxd4 9. Nxd4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Qb6 11. Qe5 Qd6 12. Qg3 Qxg3 13. hxg3 g6 14. Bd2 Bg7 15. b3 O-O 16. Bb4 Re8 17. Kd1 b6 18. Bg2 Bb7 19. a4 Red8 20. Kc1 Rab8 21. Be7 Rd7 22. Bf6 Bxf6 23. gxf6 d4 24. Bxb7 Rbxb7 25. Kd2 Rd5 26. e4 dxe3+ 27. Kxe3 Rf5 28. Rd1 Rxf6 29. f3 Kg7 30. Rd3 Rf5 31. g4 Rc5 32. c4 Rbc7 33. Rd1 a5 34. Kf4 R5c6 35. g5 h5 36. gxh6+ Kxh6 37. Ke5 Kg7 38. Kf4 f6 39. Ke4 e5 40. Rd8 Rf7 41. Kd5 Rfc7 42. Ke4 Kf7 43. Ke3 Ke6 44. Re8+ Re7 45. Rd8 g5 46. Rd2 Rd6 47. Rxd6+ Kxd6 48. Ke4 Ke6 49. Kd3 Rd7+ 50. Ke3 Rd4 51. Ke2 Rf4 52. Ke3 f5 53. c5 g4 54. fxg4 fxg4 55. cxb6 g3 56. b7 Rb4 57. Kf3 Rxb7 58. Kxg3 Rxb3+ 59. Kf2 Rb4 60. Ke2 Rxa4 61. Kd2 Rb4 62. Kc3 Rd4 63. Kb3 Kd5 64. Kc3 e4 65. Kb3 e3 66. Kc3 e2 67. Kc2 e1=Q 68. Kb2 Qe3 69. Kc2 Rd2+ 70. Kc1 Qe1# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[/pgn]
[pgn] Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/CqiQDyBL"]
[Date "2024.09.29"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.09.29"]
[UTCTime "03:26:45"]
[WhiteElo "2082"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "240+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "1nbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQk - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. e3 d6 3. c3 e5 4. dxe5 Bf5 5. exd6 Bxd6 6. Nf3 Nf6 7. Nd4 Bc8 8. Nb5 h5 9. Nxd6+ cxd6 10. Bb5+ Kf8 11. Nd2 h4 12. h3 a6 13. Bd3 Rg8 14. Ne4 Ne8 15. b3 f5 16. Nd2 Nc6 17. Qc2 Rg7 18. Nf3 Qf6 19. Bb2 Rc7 20. c4 Nb4 21. Bxf6 Nxc2+ 22. Bxc2 Nxf6 23. O-O-O Ke7 24. Rd2 Ne4 25. Bxe4 fxe4 26. Nd4 b5 27. Kb2 bxc4 28. bxc4 Rxc4 29. Rc2 Rc5 30. Rxc5 dxc5 31. Nb3 Kd6 32. Rc1 Be6 33. Nxc5 Bd5 34. Nxa6 Bb7 35. Nb4 Ba8 36. a4 Bb7 37. a5 Kd7 38. a6 Bxa6 39. Nxa6 Kd6 40. Rc5 Ke6 41. Kc3 g5 42. Kd4 g4 43. hxg4 h3 44. gxh3 Kf6 45. Kxe4 Ke6 46. h4 Ke7 47. Ke5 Kf7 48. f4 Ke7 49. Kd5 Kf7 50. Rc6 Ke7 51. e4 Kf7 52. h5 Kf8 53. g5 Ke7 54. f5 Kf7 55. e5 Kf8 56. Rc7 Kg8 57. h6 Kh8 58. g6 Kg8 59. f6 Kh8 60. e6 Kg8 61. Nb4 Kh8 62. Nc2 Kg8 63. Ne1 Kh8 64. Ng2 Kg8 65. Nh4 Kh8 66. Nf5 Kg8 67. Rh7 Kf8 68. Rg7 Ke8 69. Rf7 Kd8 70. Re7 Kc8 71. Rd7 Kb8 72. h7 Ka8 73. g7 Kb8 74. f7 Ka8 75. Kd6 Kb8 76. e7 Ka8 77. Ne3 Kb8 78. Nd5 Ka8 79. Nb6+ Kb8 80. Nc8 Ka8 81. e8=Q Kb8 82. f8=N Ka8 83. g8=R Kb8 84. h8=B Ka8 85. Qh5 Kb8 86. Ne6 Ka8 87. Kc6 Kb8 88. Rgd8 Ka8 89. Bg7 Kb8 90. Bf8 Ka8 91. Qh8 Kb8 92. Nd4 Ka8 93. Nb5 Kb8 94. Qg8 Ka8 95. Qf7 Kb8 96. Qe8 Ka8 97. Be7 Kb8 98. Bd6+ Ka8 99. Nc7+ Kb8 100. Nb6+ Ka7 101. Ra8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

and idea...

Post by Father »

I would think that it is an interesting idea for human beings to build a catalog of odds, covering the entire human chess population, namely as an example:
Leela Rookodds
LeelaKnightodds-dev
LeelaQueenodds
Leelabishopodds
Leela Knights
LeelatotalRookodds,
etc
With estimated elo, so that there is a range that covers players from 600 elo to the human world champion.
This contribution by the software and hardware producing teams would contribute to making our lives more enjoyable and productive, so many times threatened by evil through the bad influences found along the way.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
lkaufman
Posts: 5995
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:15 am
Location: Maryland USA

Re: and idea...

Post by lkaufman »

Father wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:19 am I would think that it is an interesting idea for human beings to build a catalog of odds, covering the entire human chess population, namely as an example:
Leela Rookodds
LeelaKnightodds-dev
LeelaQueenodds
Leelabishopodds
Leela Knights
LeelatotalRookodds,
etc
With estimated elo, so that there is a range that covers players from 600 elo to the human world champion.
This contribution by the software and hardware producing teams would contribute to making our lives more enjoyable and productive, so many times threatened by evil through the bad influences found along the way.
Well, we already have four steps (knight odds, rook odds, queen for knight, and queen odds) for Leela, eight if you count playing White and playing Black as two separate steps for each handicap. Bishop odds is not used either here or historically because it is just slightly more than knight odds but much less like normal chess, because a missing bishop changes strategy (determines which color to put pawns on). Two knights is plausible, just slightly larger handicap than queen for knight which feels a bit more "normal" to me. Rook and knight is definitely needed. Two rooks is too close to queen odds (probably slightly less), no need for that one. Larger handicaps are of course needed if you want to go all the way down to elo 600, but right now no engine plays very sensibly beyond queen odds. As for estimated elo, that is very dependent on time control, but for any time control that people actually play the bots at frequently it is fairly easy to calculate the effective LiChess Elo of that bot at that time control, and Lichess Elos can be converted to FIDE elos by a table available on the internet. So we pretty much already have what you want, except capped at queen odds for now. Based on your own record in blitz taking rook odds (playing both colors), 5 wins, 8 draws, and 111 losses, I would guess that queen odds in blitz would be roughly even for you, at least at 3' no inc as you like to play. But of course in Rapid the fair odds would be lower, maybe queen for knight.
Komodo rules!
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: and idea...

Post by Father »

lkaufman wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:11 am
Father wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:19 am I would think that it is an interesting idea for human beings to build a catalog of odds, covering the entire human chess population, namely as an example:
Leela Rookodds
LeelaKnightodds-dev
LeelaQueenodds
Leelabishopodds
Leela Knights
LeelatotalRookodds,
etc
With estimated elo, so that there is a range that covers players from 600 elo to the human world champion.
This contribution by the software and hardware producing teams would contribute to making our lives more enjoyable and productive, so many times threatened by evil through the bad influences found along the way.
Well, we already have four steps (knight odds, rook odds, queen for knight, and queen odds) for Leela, eight if you count playing White and playing Black as two separate steps for each handicap. Bishop odds is not used either here or historically because it is just slightly more than knight odds but much less like normal chess, because a missing bishop changes strategy (determines which color to put pawns on). Two knights is plausible, just slightly larger handicap than queen for knight which feels a bit more "normal" to me. Rook and knight is definitely needed. Two rooks is too close to queen odds (probably slightly less), no need for that one. Larger handicaps are of course needed if you want to go all the way down to elo 600, but right now no engine plays very sensibly beyond queen odds. As for estimated elo, that is very dependent on time control, but for any time control that people actually play the bots at frequently it is fairly easy to calculate the effective LiChess Elo of that bot at that time control, and Lichess Elos can be converted to FIDE elos by a table available on the internet. So we pretty much already have what you want, except capped at queen odds for now. Based on your own record in blitz taking rook odds (playing both colors), 5 wins, 8 draws, and 111 losses, I would guess that queen odds in blitz would be roughly even for you, at least at 3' no inc as you like to play. But of course in Rapid the fair odds would be lower, maybe queen for knight.
lkaufman wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:11 am
Father wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:19 am I would think that it is an interesting idea for human beings to build a catalog of odds, covering the entire human chess population, namely as an example:
Leela Rookodds
LeelaKnightodds-dev
LeelaQueenodds
Leelabishopodds
Leela Knights
LeelatotalRookodds,
etc
With estimated elo, so that there is a range that covers players from 600 elo to the human world champion.
This contribution by the software and hardware producing teams would contribute to making our lives more enjoyable and productive, so many times threatened by evil through the bad influences found along the way.
Well, we already have four steps (knight odds, rook odds, queen for knight, and queen odds) for Leela, eight if you count playing White and playing Black as two separate steps for each handicap. Bishop odds is not used either here or historically because it is just slightly more than knight odds but much less like normal chess, because a missing bishop changes strategy (determines which color to put pawns on). Two knights is plausible, just slightly larger handicap than queen for knight which feels a bit more "normal" to me. Rook and knight is definitely needed. Two rooks is too close to queen odds (probably slightly less), no need for that one. Larger handicaps are of course needed if you want to go all the way down to elo 600, but right now no engine plays very sensibly beyond queen odds. As for estimated elo, that is very dependent on time control, but for any time control that people actually play the bots at frequently it is fairly easy to calculate the effective LiChess Elo of that bot at that time control, and Lichess Elos can be converted to FIDE elos by a table available on the internet. So we pretty much already have what you want, except capped at queen odds for now. Based on your own record in blitz taking rook odds (playing both colors), 5 wins, 8 draws, and 111 losses, I would guess that queen odds in blitz would be roughly even for you, at least at 3' no inc as you like to play. But of course in Rapid the fair odds would be lower, maybe queen for knight.
Regarding the pulse of human beings against machines. A moment ago I went out to party with the beautiful "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", we danced a little more than twenty songs, I was very battered with my bruised legs, but I was lucky enough to keep up with her and equal her in a tie on the track in a complicated circuit . Thank you for giving us "chess for everyone."

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/5quMTVih"]
[Date "2024.10.03"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.03"]
[UTCTime "11:59:23"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 e6 3. Qd3 f5 4. g4 Nf6 5. gxf5 exf5 6. Bg5 c6 7. f3 Be7 8. O-O-O Be6 9. Rg1 Nbd7 10. Bh3 g6 11. Bh6 Bf8 12. Bg5 Be7 13. Bh6 Bf8 14. Bg5 Be7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]


I would believe that chess computers act as beauty queens; In some ways chess computers meet the high material standards that many people around the world aspire to share at a dance, a meeting, etc. One of the first disappointments for those of us who love chess is finding ourselves faced with the barrier of not being able to practice chess against players who are obviously of a better level or who are offside. It was there at that moment in history, I would say that in the eighties of the last twentieth century, when computers, such as those from Fidelity, began to be something like a beautiful lady in company. But then in the eighties and later, we began to hear very authoritative voices disdaining the silicon monsters. What was then only considered by human beings truly most faithful to the dictates of mathematics and science, is that behind that generation of computers represented by "Ugly Betty" is that intrinsically the beauty of "Ugly Betty" was really full of the greatest beauty. Beneath the outward appearances lay the purest mathematics and philosophy. Nowadays, perhaps since the nineties of the last twentieth century, the parameters in the relationship of man against machine. Today we can share with the most beautiful girls (computers) and our thoughts must observe them in detail with the help of a magnifying glass, in order to discover the small indentations of those silicon girls, the Achilles heels of those cybernetic queens, who seem not exist. Fortunately, Mr. Larry Kaufman, there is still a way to combat cybernetic thinking. Thank you again for allowing me and us to get closer to the world of man versus machine.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

ODDS IN FAVOR OF THE CHESS MACHINE. HUMAN WITHOUT QUEEN WON. HISTORICAL NOTES

Post by Father »

Father wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 2:46 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:11 am
Father wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:19 am I would think that it is an interesting idea for human beings to build a catalog of odds, covering the entire human chess population, namely as an example:
Leela Rookodds
LeelaKnightodds-dev
LeelaQueenodds
Leelabishopodds
Leela Knights
LeelatotalRookodds,
etc
With estimated elo, so that there is a range that covers players from 600 elo to the human world champion.
This contribution by the software and hardware producing teams would contribute to making our lives more enjoyable and productive, so many times threatened by evil through the bad influences found along the way.
Well, we already have four steps (knight odds, rook odds, queen for knight, and queen odds) for Leela, eight if you count playing White and playing Black as two separate steps for each handicap. Bishop odds is not used either here or historically because it is just slightly more than knight odds but much less like normal chess, because a missing bishop changes strategy (determines which color to put pawns on). Two knights is plausible, just slightly larger handicap than queen for knight which feels a bit more "normal" to me. Rook and knight is definitely needed. Two rooks is too close to queen odds (probably slightly less), no need for that one. Larger handicaps are of course needed if you want to go all the way down to elo 600, but right now no engine plays very sensibly beyond queen odds. As for estimated elo, that is very dependent on time control, but for any time control that people actually play the bots at frequently it is fairly easy to calculate the effective LiChess Elo of that bot at that time control, and Lichess Elos can be converted to FIDE elos by a table available on the internet. So we pretty much already have what you want, except capped at queen odds for now. Based on your own record in blitz taking rook odds (playing both colors), 5 wins, 8 draws, and 111 losses, I would guess that queen odds in blitz would be roughly even for you, at least at 3' no inc as you like to play. But of course in Rapid the fair odds would be lower, maybe queen for knight.
lkaufman wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:11 am
Father wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:19 am I would think that it is an interesting idea for human beings to build a catalog of odds, covering the entire human chess population, namely as an example:
Leela Rookodds
LeelaKnightodds-dev
LeelaQueenodds
Leelabishopodds
Leela Knights
LeelatotalRookodds,
etc
With estimated elo, so that there is a range that covers players from 600 elo to the human world champion.
This contribution by the software and hardware producing teams would contribute to making our lives more enjoyable and productive, so many times threatened by evil through the bad influences found along the way.
Well, we already have four steps (knight odds, rook odds, queen for knight, and queen odds) for Leela, eight if you count playing White and playing Black as two separate steps for each handicap. Bishop odds is not used either here or historically because it is just slightly more than knight odds but much less like normal chess, because a missing bishop changes strategy (determines which color to put pawns on). Two knights is plausible, just slightly larger handicap than queen for knight which feels a bit more "normal" to me. Rook and knight is definitely needed. Two rooks is too close to queen odds (probably slightly less), no need for that one. Larger handicaps are of course needed if you want to go all the way down to elo 600, but right now no engine plays very sensibly beyond queen odds. As for estimated elo, that is very dependent on time control, but for any time control that people actually play the bots at frequently it is fairly easy to calculate the effective LiChess Elo of that bot at that time control, and Lichess Elos can be converted to FIDE elos by a table available on the internet. So we pretty much already have what you want, except capped at queen odds for now. Based on your own record in blitz taking rook odds (playing both colors), 5 wins, 8 draws, and 111 losses, I would guess that queen odds in blitz would be roughly even for you, at least at 3' no inc as you like to play. But of course in Rapid the fair odds would be lower, maybe queen for knight.
Regarding the pulse of human beings against machines. A moment ago I went out to party with the beautiful "LeelaKnightOdds-dev", we danced a little more than twenty songs, I was very battered with my bruised legs, but I was lucky enough to keep up with her and equal her in a tie on the track in a complicated circuit . Thank you for giving us "chess for everyone."

[pgn][Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/5quMTVih"]
[Date "2024.10.03"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.03"]
[UTCTime "11:59:23"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 e6 3. Qd3 f5 4. g4 Nf6 5. gxf5 exf5 6. Bg5 c6 7. f3 Be7 8. O-O-O Be6 9. Rg1 Nbd7 10. Bh3 g6 11. Bh6 Bf8 12. Bg5 Be7 13. Bh6 Bf8 14. Bg5 Be7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]


I would believe that chess computers act as beauty queens; In some ways chess computers meet the high material standards that many people around the world aspire to share at a dance, a meeting, etc. One of the first disappointments for those of us who love chess is finding ourselves faced with the barrier of not being able to practice chess against players who are obviously of a better level or who are offside. It was there at that moment in history, I would say that in the eighties of the last twentieth century, when computers, such as those from Fidelity, began to be something like a beautiful lady in company. But then in the eighties and later, we began to hear very authoritative voices disdaining the silicon monsters. What was then only considered by human beings truly most faithful to the dictates of mathematics and science, is that behind that generation of computers represented by "Ugly Betty" is that intrinsically the beauty of "Ugly Betty" was really full of the greatest beauty. Beneath the outward appearances lay the purest mathematics and philosophy. Nowadays, perhaps since the nineties of the last twentieth century, the parameters in the relationship of man against machine. Today we can share with the most beautiful girls (computers) and our thoughts must observe them in detail with the help of a magnifying glass, in order to discover the small indentations of those silicon girls, the Achilles heels of those cybernetic queens, who seem not exist. Fortunately, Mr. Larry Kaufman, there is still a way to combat cybernetic thinking. Thank you again for allowing me and us to get closer to the world of man versus machine.

"In the month of May "OPEN CHESS DIARY 281-300 by Tim Krabbé April 3, 2005 - November 6, 2005" shows us his chess game against Fritz 8. At that time, Mr. Tim Krabbé beat the computer, playing himself humanly without the queen. The opening used by Mr. Tim Krabbé is called, " Father Opening" which I implemented at that time in the playchess.com machine room, from where it migrated to the chess community, among them Mr. Tim Krabbé. These are memories for a story to be told and not be forgotten, born at the dawn of the famous match between the reigning human champion, Kramnik against Deep Fritz in Bonn Germany in 2006.

The odds were used against the same invincible chess machines reigning in those days.

This is the game of Mr. Tim Krabbé winning by time in the best style taught by the great world champion Alexander Alekhine; Mr. Krabbé took his pleasure in winning, while the machine took its time in losing; The human playing without his own queen crushed the super computer.

[pgn]TK - Fritz 8, 3 0 blitz, 23 May 2005
1.d4 Nf6 2.f4 d5 3.c3 Bf5 4.e3 Nbd7 (see diagram)
5.Qd3 TN
5...Bxd3 6.Bxd3 Ne4 7.Nf3 e6 8.O-O f5 9.Re1 Qf6 10.Re2 Be7 11.Bd2 O-O 12.Be1 Qh6 13.Nbd2 c5 14.Nf1 c4 15.Bc2 a5 16.Rc1 a4 17.a3 b5 18.Bb1 Qh5 19.Rcc2 Rab8 20.Rc1 Rbe8 21.Bc2 Qg4 22.Bd1 Rf7 23.Rcc2 Qh5 24.Bd2 Rf6 25.Be1 Rh6 26.Rc1 Qg4 27.Rcc2 Rf8 28.Rc1 Qg6 29.Rcc2 Rf7 30.Rc1 Qf6 31.Rcc2 Rf8 32.Rc1 Qf7 33.Rcc2 Qh5 34.Rc1 Qe8 35.Rcc2 Bd6 36.Rc1 Qe7 37.Rcc2 Qf6 38.Rc1 Qg6 39.Rcc2 Qg4 40.Rc1 Rb8 41.Rcc2 Be7 42.Rc1 Rd8 43.Rcc2 Rc8 44.Rc1 Rc7 45.Rcc2 Qg6 46.Rc1 Rc8 47.Rcc2 Rb8 48.Rc1 Rd8 49.Rcc2 Re8 50.g3 Rb8 51.Rg2 Rf8 52.Rc1 Bd6 53.Rcc2 Qh5 54.Rc1 Qe8 55.Rcc2 Ndf6 56.Rc1 Ng4 57.Rcc2 Qg6 58.Rc1 Rh3 59.Rcc2 Qh5 60.Rc1 Kh8 61.Rcc2 Qg6 62.Rc1 Be7 63.Rcc2 Qh6 64.Rc1 Kg8 65.Rcc2 Bf6 66.Rc1 Qg6 67.Rcc2 Be7 68.Rc1 Rf7 69.Rcc2 Bd6 70.Rc1 Qh5 71.Rcc2 Qh6 72.Rc1 Be7 73.Rcc2 Bf6 74.Rc1 Qg6 75.Rcc2 Bd8 76.Rc1 Bc7 77.Rcc2 Bb8 78.Rc1 Rf8 79.Rcc2 Qh6 80.Rc1 Rf6 81.Rcc2 Rf7 82.Rc1 Rd7 83.Rcc2 Bd6 84.Rc1 Qg6 85.Rcc2 Rd8 86.Rc1 Re8 87.Rcc2 Qh6 88.Rc1 Rf8 89.Rcc2 Rd8 90.Rc1 Be7 91.Rcc2 Bf6 92.Rc1 Qg6 93.Rcc2 Be7 94.Rc1 Rb8 95.Rcc2 Re8 96.Rc1 Bf6 97.Rcc2 Rc8 98.Rc1 h6 A keen eye for the 50-move draw rule. 99.Rcc2 Rf8 100.Rc1 Be7 101.Rcc2 Bd6 102.Rc1 Bc7 103.Rcc2 Qf7 104.Rc1 Bd6 105.Rcc2 Be7 106.Rc1 Re8 107.Rcc2 Qg6 108.Rc1 Bf6 109.Rcc2 Ra8 110.Rc1 Rb8 111.Rcc2 Be7 112.Rc1 Bd6 113.Rcc2 Rb7 114.Rc1 Rf7 115.Rcc2 Bc7 116.Rc1 Rd7 117.Rcc2 Bd6 118.Rc1 Rd8 119.Rcc2 Qh5 120.Rc1 Rf8 121.Rcc2 Bb8 122.Rc1 Bc7 123.Rcc2 Rf7 124.Rc1 Re7 125.Rcc2 Bd6 126.Rc1 Qg6 127.Rcc2 Rc7 128.Rc1 Rc8 129.Rcc2 Ra8 130.Rc1 Kh8 131.Rcc2 Rf8 132.Rc1 Be7 133.Rcc2[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Post by Father »

I would like kind and generous help from someone on the forum, in order to put this game into moving diagrams. The white pieces played the entire game without their queen, they gave the machine a queen advantage, and the human, Mr. Krabbé, won against the super computer Fritz 8. I don't know how to publish this game, here in the diagram the queen is a non-existent illusion. Thanks again. There are stories worth remembering and not forgetting.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

No odds just Queen sacrificice istarting the game..

Post by Father »

Studying the game I concluded that it was not really about "odds" but rather a free delivery of the queen in the first rounds of the match or game; It occurs to me that this same algorithmic structure could make the computer today. This would produce a psychological effect that is difficult for humans to endure. Free delivery of pawn or pawns, horse, etc.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: Antichess technique applied to International Masters. Man against machine and against chess professionals.

Post by Father »

.:: I would think that could be a really interesting idea for an algorithm. The reason is that the game starts under normal conditions, but the computer quickly offers us a sacrifice without compensation, and then the computer returns to the good pace, something like a marathon runner who, while running the marathon, stops to take photos and look at the environment and landscape, then the marathoner continues or resumes the race after using his camera and trying to win...:
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1450
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

I offer this small game of chess to God for the great need to advance peace among nations.

Post by Father »

I offer this small game of chess to God for the great need to advance peace among nations.

[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/2pYF8dWV"]
[Date "2024.10.06"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.06"]
[UTCTime "01:13:49"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 e6 3. e3 c6 4. f4 f5 5. Qe2 Nf6 6. Nf3 Bd6 7. Rg1 Qe7 8. h3 Ba3 9. Bxa3 Qxa3 10. g4 g6 11. Qd3 Qe7 12. g5 Nh5 13. Qc3 O-O 14. Be2 Qg7 15. d4 a6 16. Kf2 Re8 17. Nh4 Re7 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. Bxh5 gxh5 20. Qa5 Be8 21. c4 Bg6 22. c5 Rc7 23. Nf3 Qe7 24. Ne1 Qd8 25. Nd3 Rd7 26. Qa3 Re7 27. h4 Qc7 28. Rac1 Kg7 29. Rc2 Kg8 30. Qc1 Kg7 31. Kg3 Qc8 32. Qd2 Qc7 33. b4 Qc8 34. a4 Qc7 35. Ra2 Qc8 36. Rb1 Rc7 37. Qb2 Re7 38. Ra3 Rc7 39. Rba1 Re7 40. R1a2 Rc7 41. b5 Kg8 42. bxa6 Nxa6 43. Rb3 Ra7 44. Rb6 Qd7 45. Qb1 Qe7 46. Rab2 Kg7 47. R2b3 Kg8 48. Ne5 Kg7 49. Qb2 Kg8 50. Nd3 Kg7 51. Kf2 Kg8 52. Ke1 Kg7 53. Kd2 Kg8 54. Qb1 Kg7 55. Rb2 Kg8 56. R6b3 Kg7 57. Ke2 Kg8 58. Kf2 Kg7 59. Kg3 Kg8 60. a5 Kg7 61. Rb6 Kg8 62. R2b3 Kg7 63. Ne1 Kg8 64. Nf3 Kg7 65. Ng1 Kg8 66. Qb2 Kg7 67. Ne2 Kg8 68. Kf2 Kg7 69. Nc1 Kg8 70. Ne2 Kg7 71. Kg3 Kg8 72. Kh2 Kg7 73. Kh1 Kg8 74. Kg2 Kg7 75. Kf2 Kg8 76. Ke1 Kg7 77. Ra3 Kg8 78. Kd2 Kg7 79. Rab3 Kg8 80. Ke1 Kg7 81. Ng3 Kg8 82. Nf1 Kg7 83. Ng3 Kg8 84. Kf1 Kg7 85. Kg1 Kg8 86. Kg2 Kg7 87. Kh1 Kg8 88. Kg1 Kg7 89. Ra3 Kg8 90. Ne2 Kg7 91. Nc1 Kg8 92. Nd3 Kg7 93. Ne5 Kg8 94. Rab3 Kg7 95. Kf2 Kg8 96. Ke1 Kg7 97. Kd2 Kg8 98. Qb1 Kg7 99. Qb2 Kg8 100. Ke2 Kg7 101. Kf2 Kg8 102. Kg3 Kg7 103. Kh3 Kg8 104. Kh2 Kg7 105. Kg1 Kg8 106. Kf2 Kg7 107. Ke1 Kg8 108. Kd2 Kg7 109. Qb1 Kg8 110. Qb2 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

Moderation:
It has been made amply clear that politics in any form is not allowed on this forum.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.