Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by lkaufman »

Uri Blass wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:00 pm
lkaufman wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:43 pm
Father wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:35 pm
Father wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:34 pm
lkaufman wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:13 pm
Father wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:13 pm
Father wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:01 pm
lkaufman wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:11 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:14 pm I wonder if lc0 calculates based on probability that I do not see the threats of it.


https://lichess.org/u4WvN5Ly

What is the idea behind the blunder 27.Bxc6 bxc6 28.Rxe5+?
Does leela hope that I do not see Rxa5
Maybe it is the best practical chance but I usually do not blunder simple captures like that and I played Qa5 for a reason to defend e5 after trading the knight.

I am leading 16-9(today I won 10-7 that is worse than my score yesterday that was 6-2)
It is a blunder in the sense that massive trading is a blunder when way behind. Most likely the net, being trained on knight odds games only, hasn't learned much about how to play when down by a queen. I expect that a net trained for queen odds will eventually appear in the bot and that should show another large jump in performance. One such net already exists but is not available for use or testing.

So now number 1 on the list is a player with a very high bullet rating, probably a master, number 2 is "father", number 3 is a famous Backgammon grandmaster (and a close personal friend of mine), and number 4 is Uri!
In summary: "We are facing a great challenge regarding the expectations about where the evolutionary journey of the great LeelaQueenOdds and the human opponents, in "Man Against Machine", open tournament aspects, and other alternatives of battlefields.
LeelaQueenOdds versus 🆚 a player superior to 2600 elo, some months ago, when LeelaQueenOdds was wirh minus power than Newdays …

[pgn] Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/bDYxQU35"]
[Date "2024.06.24"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "JievveTheNotable"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.06.24"]
[UTCTime "02:18:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2616"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. a3 dxe4 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. h3 Qxd4 6. Nge2 Qb6 7. Ng3 e5 8. Bc4 Bc5 9. O-O e3 10. Na4 exf2+ 11. Kh2 Qa5 12. Nc3 Qc7 13. Nge4 Nxe4 14. Nxe4 Bb6 15. a4 a5 16. Rd1 O-O 17. Ra3 Bf5 18. Ng3 Bg6 19. Rh1 Nd7 20. Ne2 e4+ 21. Bf4 Ne5 22. Rc3 Qe7 23. Ba2 Rfd8 24. Rg3 Kh8 25. Bg5 f6 26. Bc1 Nf7 27. Nf4 Ng5 28. h4 Nf7 29. h5 Bf5 30. b4 Ng5 31. h6 gxh6 32. bxa5 Bxa5 33. Bb2 e3 34. Rxe3 Qg7 35. Nh5 Qg6 36. Bxf6+ Qxf6 37. Nxf6 Kg7 38. Nh5+ Kg6 39. Nf4+ Kg7 40. Re7+ Kf6 41. Rxb7 Rab8 42. Nh5+ Kg6 43. Rg7+ Kxh5 44. Kg3+ Nh3 45. Rxh3+ Bxh3 46. Bf7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]
It has indeed won some bullet games against players rated above 2600, even 2700, while in blitz it has won against at most 2503 rating. I find that it is too easy for me to win against it at 3'2" (that's about the fastest I can play decently), but that probably won't be true once it gets upgraded to a net trained specifically for queen odds, which may happen this month. Meanwhile the knight odds bot has done amazing things, playing 190 games at 1' + 1" against a player rated over 3100 without a single loss (!!), just 26 draws.
...these are two great news for everyone, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you for allowing us to enter the combat of men against machines. In this way, now I will fight to occupy a position among the hundred best players who face LeelaKnightOdds. Of course that does not mean in any way that I am going to abandon the fight against modules in their "standard forms." I wonder: There is already a list, Mr. Larry Kaufman, that informs us about the Top 100 human contenders of LeelaKnight. If this list exists, I will fight to be part of it. !! My current priorities in chess warfare objectives are called: "Oddsmachines."
... "Winds of chess war of man against machine." LeelaKnight against Catecan (Father) in time level of 1+1. The first steps of Father's fight against LeelanigntOdds have begun. Today is November 8, 2024; For now it has only been skirmishes. Today there were 12 combats; 10 wins for the computer and two 2 draws. Consequently, my effectiveness range for the day is 2 draws in 12, which would represent just over 31 draws on a base of 190 games. The silicon horse "LeelaKnightOdds" will surely go to the manger to rest and feed, in the meantime, I will be preparing new battles. Good night I wish you.

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/jXsGOaQG"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:17:47"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Bf4 f5 4. Qd2 Bd6 5. g4 Bxf4 6. Qxf4 Qd6 7. Qg5 Qe7 8. Qf4 Qd6 9. Qg5 Qe7 10. Qf4 Qd6 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/EWJPMx1z"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "18:21:33"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 Nd7 6. O-O Nf6 7. Bf3 e6 8. d4 Be7 9. Bf4 O-O 10. Be5 Bd6 11. Qe2 Be7 12. Rad1 c6 13. c4 Bd6 14. Rd3 Qc7 15. Re1 Nd7 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Qd2 Nf6 18. Bd1 Re8 19. c5 Qd8 20. Bc2 Bd7 21. Rg3 g6 22. Re5 Nd5 23. h3 Qf6 24. Rf3 Qg7 25. Bb3 a6 26. Bc4 Re7 27. Rb3 Be8 28. Re4 Rc8 29. a4 Rcc7 30. Rf3 Red7 31. Rb3 Re7 32. Rf3 Red7 33. Rb3 Re7 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/sktNijn4"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:52:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Time forfeit"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nf6 4. Bd3 Nxe4 5. Bxe4 e6 6. Qe2 Nd7 7. d3 Nf6 8. Bf3 c6 9. Bd2 Be7 10. O-O-O O-O 11. h4 a5 12. g4 Nd5 13. g5 Bd6 14. d4 Bf4 15. c4 Bxd2+ 16. Rxd2 Nf4 17. Qe5 Ng6 18. Qh2 Bd7 19. h5 Ne7 20. Be4 Qb8 21. Qh4 Nf5 22. Qg4 Re8 23. Kb1 Rf8 24. Ka1 Re8 25. Bb1 Rf8 26. Qf3 Re8 27. a3 Rf8 28. Re1 Re8 29. Red1 Rf8 30. d5 cxd5 31. cxd5 Qc7 32. dxe6 Bxe6 33. Bxf5 Bxf5 34. Qxf5 Rad8 35. Rd5 Rxd5 36. Qxd5 { White wins on time. } 1-0[/pgn]

[pgn][Event "Casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Fi0EZMuo"]
[Date "2024.11.08"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.08"]
[UTCTime "17:37:41"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2030"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 e6 5. Be3 Nf6 6. a3 c6 7. Bd3 Be7 8. h4 Nbd7 9. Qe2 Qa5 10. h5 h6 11. Bd2 Qc7 12. Qf3 Qd8 13. Qg3 Rg8 14. O-O-O Qb6 15. Rh4 Qd8 16. Re1 Nb6 17. Nd1 Qd6 18. Bf4 Qd8 19. Bc7 Qd7 20. c4 Bd8 21. Be5 Be7 22. Nc3 Qd8 23. Kb1 Qd7 24. Ka1 Qd8 25. Rh3 Qd7 26. Qf4 Qd8 27. Rf3 Qd7 28. g4 Qd8 29. Ne4 Nbd7 30. Bc7 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
I wouldn't expect a Leaderboard for LeelaKnightOdds, because almost no one ever wins a game (occasionally either an IM or GM or a cheater wins), so it would just be a contest to see who could induce more draws by repetition, which isn't very interesting. A future version might try much harder to avoid such reps.
I wonder what about leaderboard for Rookodds.

A fide master with fide rating 2345 believe he will almost always win against queen odds at time control of 10+0 regardless of the program when rook odds may be more interesting.
The rook odds bot has shown a huge improvement in results since being upgraded to use the knight-odds trained net, and is likely to get another boost soon with a rook-odds trained net. It is already performing at grandmaster level at time controls close to 10 + 0, so a leaderboard would only make sense with IM/GM participation, which might become normal once it is upgraded and gets some publicity.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by lkaufman »

Father wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 am
Marcus91 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:10 am
Uri Blass wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:14 pm today not a good day against lc0 and I won only 3.5-2.5

Note that I did not do serious analysis to prepare but my conclusion that if I get a good position lc0 allow easily to trade pieces so serious preperation should be about getting a good position to learn from my positional mistakes in the opening.

Tactical mistakes when I already made some positional mistake are less important.

I had 2122.3 after 48 games when lc0 with white has 2099.6
I expect some small rating increase based on the 6 games.

total score so far is 35-19 for me(35-18 if I do not include one loss on time because of internet disconnection).
Get ready for the upgrade in the next few days, I can tell you It's going to be really tough!
...Marcus91: Thank you very much for your information and collaboration towards all of us, the chess player community; Your news about the increased gaming power of LeelaQueenOdds is a musical melody to my ears. You are mathematicians and scientists, I am just a learner of the interpretation of the notes of my heart, those notes that Our Programmer has placed in the hearts of his children: (the human being). From my heart I understand and have "a hunch" that LeelaQueenOdds will have the level of play in time controls of 3-0 equivalent to 2500 Elo Fide. And that could be soon... I wonder: Will the elite come to dance 3-0 with LeelaQueenOdds, or will they leave her sitting on the bench during the dance and party? ...Marcus91: Do you think that one day computers will have or possess free will? ... Regarding Mr. Uri Blass: I will be happy when he or someone else takes my second place, or moves me to lower positions, in the standings of the best 100 players who face LeelaQueenOdds. This will give me joy.
Based on the results so far since today's upgrade, the estimate rated of about 2400 at 3'0" (Leela playing White) actually seems a bit low, so your dream of a 2500 LiChess rated queen odds bot (at 3'0") no longer seems unreasonable, although I don't think we are there yet or that we know how to reach that level soon. But we're close enough that sooner or later something should get us there. 2500 LiChess is roughly FM level, so we're talking about giving queen odds to FMs in blitz, hard to believe!
Komodo rules!
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Uri Blass »

My prformance was really bad with the new lc0.

even at 10+5 I got only 1.5 out of 4 when at least I won the last game.

The new lc0 is better but I also cannot say that I prepared seriously for games with odds.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Father »

lkaufman wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:54 pm
Father wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 am
Marcus91 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:10 am
Uri Blass wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:14 pm today not a good day against lc0 and I won only 3.5-2.5

Note that I did not do serious analysis to prepare but my conclusion that if I get a good position lc0 allow easily to trade pieces so serious preperation should be about getting a good position to learn from my positional mistakes in the opening.

Tactical mistakes when I already made some positional mistake are less important.

I had 2122.3 after 48 games when lc0 with white has 2099.6
I expect some small rating increase based on the 6 games.

total score so far is 35-19 for me(35-18 if I do not include one loss on time because of internet disconnection).
Get ready for the upgrade in the next few days, I can tell you It's going to be really tough!
...Marcus91: Thank you very much for your information and collaboration towards all of us, the chess player community; Your news about the increased gaming power of LeelaQueenOdds is a musical melody to my ears. You are mathematicians and scientists, I am just a learner of the interpretation of the notes of my heart, those notes that Our Programmer has placed in the hearts of his children: (the human being). From my heart I understand and have "a hunch" that LeelaQueenOdds will have the level of play in time controls of 3-0 equivalent to 2500 Elo Fide. And that could be soon... I wonder: Will the elite come to dance 3-0 with LeelaQueenOdds, or will they leave her sitting on the bench during the dance and party? ...Marcus91: Do you think that one day computers will have or possess free will? ... Regarding Mr. Uri Blass: I will be happy when he or someone else takes my second place, or moves me to lower positions, in the standings of the best 100 players who face LeelaQueenOdds. This will give me joy.
Based on the results so far since today's upgrade, the estimate rated of about 2400 at 3'0" (Leela playing White) actually seems a bit low, so your dream of a 2500 LiChess rated queen odds bot (at 3'0") no longer seems unreasonable, although I don't think we are there yet or that we know how to reach that level soon. But we're close enough that sooner or later something should get us there. 2500 LiChess is roughly FM level, so we're talking about giving queen odds to FMs in blitz, hard to believe!
Good morning to the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, Mr. Larry Kaufman, Marcus91, Brunetti, UriBlass. Good morning everyone, I hope you are well and continue well. The Sun has risen to light a new dawn and at the opposite end the moon accompanies us in the common ship in which we fly together through the galaxy. For me on a big day in my awakening, which makes me and allows me to dream again: LeelaQueenOdds has been invited to the ball in Lichess repeatedly by an IM, Mr. "Omniver." Mr. Omniver has made the party great. The IM has hit the queen hard, but has also been thrown to the ring canvas. All without distinction, that is, the LeelaQueenOdds team, the Federated players, and the elite players, as well as the street fighters, such as myself and many more from planet Earth, are called in unison to fight and participate in the dance. Our dream is more than threefold: Beat LeelaQueenOdds, beat the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, beat the Federated and Elite players, and beat the other street fighters, all of the above, after searching for our name to be written, " on the famous list", that is, becoming one of the hundred best players on the results table. Long live the milky way!

[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/FVbgLECR"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Omnivor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "10:35:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2378"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4?? { (0.15 → -5.78) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nd5 Nbd7) 1... e6 2. e3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qa4+ c6 5. Nc3 Bd6 6. d4 O-O 7. Qc2 Nbd7 8. c5 Bc7 9. b4 e5 10. Be2 Re8 11. O-O exd4 12. Nxd4 Nf8 13. Bd3 Ne6 14. Nce2 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Bd7 16. a4 a6 17. a5 Qe7 18. f3 Rad8 19. Kh1 Bc8 20. g4 h6 21. Qg2 Nd7 22. Nf5 Qf8 23. f4 Nf6 24. Bb2 Bxf5 25. gxf5 Ne4?! { (-3.74 → -2.36) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (25... d4 26. e4 Re7 27. Bc1 Kh8 28. e5 Bxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qg3 Rde8 31. Rg1) 26. Bd4?! { (-2.36 → -3.20) Inaccuracy. f6 was best. } (26. f6 g6) 26... f6 27. Bc2 Rd7 28. Bd1 Rde7 29. Bh5 Rd8 30. Bg6 Rdd7 31. Qb2 Rf7 32. Rg1 Qe7 33. Rg2 Kf8 34. Bh5 Qd8 35. Qe2 Ke7 36. Bxf7 Kxf7 37. Qh5+ Kf8 38. Qg6 Qe7 39. Qg4 Qf7 40. Kg1 Re7 41. h4 Ke8 42. Kf1?! { (-2.79 → -3.66) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (42. h5 Kd8 43. Kf1 Re8 44. Ke1 Kc8 45. Ke2 Rg8 46. Qh3 Kb8 47. Kf3 Rf8) 42... Kd7 43. h5 Kc8 44. Kg1 Rd7 45. Kf1 Bd8 46. Kg1 Qe8 47. Kf1 Kb8 48. Kg1?! { (-2.91 → -4.05) Inaccuracy. Qg6 was best. } (48. Qg6 Qxg6 49. hxg6 Be7 50. Kg1 Rd8 51. Kh2 h5 52. Kh3 h4 53. Ba1 Rh8) 48... Ka8?! { (-4.05 → -2.67) Inaccuracy. Nc3 was best. } (48... Nc3 49. Qg6 Qe4 50. Qh7 Nb5 51. Rxg7 Rxg7+ 52. Qxg7 Nxd4 53. exd4 Qxd4+ 54. Kg2) 49. Kf1 Re7 50. Kg1 Bc7 51. Qg6 Qxg6 52. hxg6 Kb8?! { (-2.55 → -1.81) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (52... h5 53. Kh2) 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Kh3 Kd7 55. Kg4 Ke8 56. Kf3 Kf8 57. Kg4 Kg8 58. Kf3 Re8 59. Kg4 Be5? { (-2.02 → -0.65) Mistake. Kf8 was best. } (59... Kf8 60. Rh2) 60. fxe5 fxe5 61. Bb2 Nf6+ 62. Kh3?! { (-0.39 → -1.35) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (62. Kf3 Ne4 63. Rh2 Rf8 64. Rh5 Ng5+ 65. Kg4 Re8 66. Rh2 Kf8 67. Re2 Ne4) 62... Re7?! { (-1.35 → -0.44) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (62... d4 63. exd4) 63. Rg1 Kf8 64. Kg2 Ke8 65. Bc3 Kd8?! { (-1.07 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (65... d4) 66. Be1 Re8 67. Bh4 Ke7 68. e4 d4 69. Kf3 Kf8 70. Bg3 Nh5 71. Bf2 Nf6 72. Bh4 Kg8 73. Re1 Re7 74. Rh1 Re8 75. Bxf6 gxf6 76. Rxh6 Re7 77. Ke2 Rd7 78. Rh3 Re7 79. Kd3 Rd7 80. Kc4 Re7 81. b5 axb5+?! { (0.52 → 1.44) Inaccuracy. Rd7 was best. } (81... Rd7) 82. Kd3 Rd7 83. Rh1 Re7 84. Ra1 Kg7 85. a6 bxa6 86. Rxa6 Rc7 87. Ra8 Kh6 88. Rd8 Kg5 89. Rd6 Rc8 90. Kd2 Rc7 91. Kc2 Rc8 92. Kb3 Rc7 93. Kb4 Rc8 94. Ka5 Rc7?! { (1.95 → 3.00) Inaccuracy. Ra8+ was best. } (94... Ra8+ 95. Kb6) 95. Kb6 Rc8 96. Kb7 Rf8? { (2.33 → 3.90) Mistake. Rg8 was best. } (96... Rg8 97. Kxc6) 97. Kxc6 Kf4 98. Kd7 Kxe4 99. c6 Kxf5 100. Ke7 Rc8 101. g7 b4?! { (3.55 → 5.46) Inaccuracy. Kg6 was best. } (101... Kg6 102. Rd8) 102. Rd8 Rc7+ 103. Kf8 Rxg7?! { (5.32 → 8.61) Inaccuracy. Rxc6 was best. } (103... Rxc6 104. g8=Q Kf4 105. Qd5 Rc3 106. Ke7 Ke3 107. Kxf6 d3 108. Kxe5 b3 109. Rh8) 104. Kxg7 b3? { (9.15 → Mate in 13) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kg5 was best. } (104... Kg5 105. c7) 105. c7 b2?! { (79.80 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kf4 was best. } (105... Kf4 106. c8=Q) 106. c8=Q+ { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Father »

[pgn][/pgn]
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:55 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:54 pm
Father wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 am
Marcus91 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:10 am
Uri Blass wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:14 pm today not a good day against lc0 and I won only 3.5-2.5

Note that I did not do serious analysis to prepare but my conclusion that if I get a good position lc0 allow easily to trade pieces so serious preperation should be about getting a good position to learn from my positional mistakes in the opening.

Tactical mistakes when I already made some positional mistake are less important.

I had 2122.3 after 48 games when lc0 with white has 2099.6
I expect some small rating increase based on the 6 games.

total score so far is 35-19 for me(35-18 if I do not include one loss on time because of internet disconnection).
Get ready for the upgrade in the next few days, I can tell you It's going to be really tough!
...Marcus91: Thank you very much for your information and collaboration towards all of us, the chess player community; Your news about the increased gaming power of LeelaQueenOdds is a musical melody to my ears. You are mathematicians and scientists, I am just a learner of the interpretation of the notes of my heart, those notes that Our Programmer has placed in the hearts of his children: (the human being). From my heart I understand and have "a hunch" that LeelaQueenOdds will have the level of play in time controls of 3-0 equivalent to 2500 Elo Fide. And that could be soon... I wonder: Will the elite come to dance 3-0 with LeelaQueenOdds, or will they leave her sitting on the bench during the dance and party? ...Marcus91: Do you think that one day computers will have or possess free will? ... Regarding Mr. Uri Blass: I will be happy when he or someone else takes my second place, or moves me to lower positions, in the standings of the best 100 players who face LeelaQueenOdds. This will give me joy.
Based on the results so far since today's upgrade, the estimate rated of about 2400 at 3'0" (Leela playing White) actually seems a bit low, so your dream of a 2500 LiChess rated queen odds bot (at 3'0") no longer seems unreasonable, although I don't think we are there yet or that we know how to reach that level soon. But we're close enough that sooner or later something should get us there. 2500 LiChess is roughly FM level, so we're talking about giving queen odds to FMs in blitz, hard to believe!
Good morning to the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, Mr. Larry Kaufman, Marcus91, Brunetti, UriBlass. Good morning everyone, I hope you are well and continue well. The Sun has risen to light a new dawn and at the opposite end the moon accompanies us in the common ship in which we fly together through the galaxy. For me on a big day in my awakening, which makes me and allows me to dream again: LeelaQueenOdds has been invited to the ball in Lichess repeatedly by an IM, Mr. "Omniver." Mr. Omniver has made the party great. The IM has hit the queen hard, but has also been thrown to the ring canvas. All without distinction, that is, the LeelaQueenOdds team, the Federated players, and the elite players, as well as the street fighters, such as myself and many more from planet Earth, are called in unison to fight and participate in the dance. Our dream is more than threefold: Beat LeelaQueenOdds, beat the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, beat the Federated and Elite players, and beat the other street fighters, all of the above, after searching for our name to be written, " on the famous list", that is, becoming one of the hundred best players on the results table. Long live the milky way!

[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/FVbgLECR"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Omnivor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "10:35:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2378"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4?? { (0.15 → -5.78) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nd5 Nbd7) 1... e6 2. e3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qa4+ c6 5. Nc3 Bd6 6. d4 O-O 7. Qc2 Nbd7 8. c5 Bc7 9. b4 e5 10. Be2 Re8 11. O-O exd4 12. Nxd4 Nf8 13. Bd3 Ne6 14. Nce2 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Bd7 16. a4 a6 17. a5 Qe7 18. f3 Rad8 19. Kh1 Bc8 20. g4 h6 21. Qg2 Nd7 22. Nf5 Qf8 23. f4 Nf6 24. Bb2 Bxf5 25. gxf5 Ne4?! { (-3.74 → -2.36) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (25... d4 26. e4 Re7 27. Bc1 Kh8 28. e5 Bxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qg3 Rde8 31. Rg1) 26. Bd4?! { (-2.36 → -3.20) Inaccuracy. f6 was best. } (26. f6 g6) 26... f6 27. Bc2 Rd7 28. Bd1 Rde7 29. Bh5 Rd8 30. Bg6 Rdd7 31. Qb2 Rf7 32. Rg1 Qe7 33. Rg2 Kf8 34. Bh5 Qd8 35. Qe2 Ke7 36. Bxf7 Kxf7 37. Qh5+ Kf8 38. Qg6 Qe7 39. Qg4 Qf7 40. Kg1 Re7 41. h4 Ke8 42. Kf1?! { (-2.79 → -3.66) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (42. h5 Kd8 43. Kf1 Re8 44. Ke1 Kc8 45. Ke2 Rg8 46. Qh3 Kb8 47. Kf3 Rf8) 42... Kd7 43. h5 Kc8 44. Kg1 Rd7 45. Kf1 Bd8 46. Kg1 Qe8 47. Kf1 Kb8 48. Kg1?! { (-2.91 → -4.05) Inaccuracy. Qg6 was best. } (48. Qg6 Qxg6 49. hxg6 Be7 50. Kg1 Rd8 51. Kh2 h5 52. Kh3 h4 53. Ba1 Rh8) 48... Ka8?! { (-4.05 → -2.67) Inaccuracy. Nc3 was best. } (48... Nc3 49. Qg6 Qe4 50. Qh7 Nb5 51. Rxg7 Rxg7+ 52. Qxg7 Nxd4 53. exd4 Qxd4+ 54. Kg2) 49. Kf1 Re7 50. Kg1 Bc7 51. Qg6 Qxg6 52. hxg6 Kb8?! { (-2.55 → -1.81) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (52... h5 53. Kh2) 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Kh3 Kd7 55. Kg4 Ke8 56. Kf3 Kf8 57. Kg4 Kg8 58. Kf3 Re8 59. Kg4 Be5? { (-2.02 → -0.65) Mistake. Kf8 was best. } (59... Kf8 60. Rh2) 60. fxe5 fxe5 61. Bb2 Nf6+ 62. Kh3?! { (-0.39 → -1.35) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (62. Kf3 Ne4 63. Rh2 Rf8 64. Rh5 Ng5+ 65. Kg4 Re8 66. Rh2 Kf8 67. Re2 Ne4) 62... Re7?! { (-1.35 → -0.44) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (62... d4 63. exd4) 63. Rg1 Kf8 64. Kg2 Ke8 65. Bc3 Kd8?! { (-1.07 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (65... d4) 66. Be1 Re8 67. Bh4 Ke7 68. e4 d4 69. Kf3 Kf8 70. Bg3 Nh5 71. Bf2 Nf6 72. Bh4 Kg8 73. Re1 Re7 74. Rh1 Re8 75. Bxf6 gxf6 76. Rxh6 Re7 77. Ke2 Rd7 78. Rh3 Re7 79. Kd3 Rd7 80. Kc4 Re7 81. b5 axb5+?! { (0.52 → 1.44) Inaccuracy. Rd7 was best. } (81... Rd7) 82. Kd3 Rd7 83. Rh1 Re7 84. Ra1 Kg7 85. a6 bxa6 86. Rxa6 Rc7 87. Ra8 Kh6 88. Rd8 Kg5 89. Rd6 Rc8 90. Kd2 Rc7 91. Kc2 Rc8 92. Kb3 Rc7 93. Kb4 Rc8 94. Ka5 Rc7?! { (1.95 → 3.00) Inaccuracy. Ra8+ was best. } (94... Ra8+ 95. Kb6) 95. Kb6 Rc8 96. Kb7 Rf8? { (2.33 → 3.90) Mistake. Rg8 was best. } (96... Rg8 97. Kxc6) 97. Kxc6 Kf4 98. Kd7 Kxe4 99. c6 Kxf5 100. Ke7 Rc8 101. g7 b4?! { (3.55 → 5.46) Inaccuracy. Kg6 was best. } (101... Kg6 102. Rd8) 102. Rd8 Rc7+ 103. Kf8 Rxg7?! { (5.32 → 8.61) Inaccuracy. Rxc6 was best. } (103... Rxc6 104. g8=Q Kf4 105. Qd5 Rc3 106. Ke7 Ke3 107. Kxf6 d3 108. Kxe5 b3 109. Rh8) 104. Kxg7 b3? { (9.15 → Mate in 13) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kg5 was best. } (104... Kg5 105. c7) 105. c7 b2?! { (79.80 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kf4 was best. } (105... Kf4 106. c8=Q) 106. c8=Q+ { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/SJ0FrH8b"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "Omnivor"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "09:59:49"]
[WhiteElo "2378"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[WhiteTitle "IM"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. h4 Bg4 6. Be3 Nc6 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qb3 O-O-O 9. Rd1 Rxd1+ 10. Kxd1 Nf6 11. Ng5 h6 12. Nge4 Nxe4 13. Nxe4 Na5 14. Qb5 b6 15. c5 Rd8+ 16. Kc1 Bf5 17. f3 Be6 18. b3 Bf8 19. Bf2 f5 20. Nc3 Bd7 21. Qa6+ Kb8 22. e4 Bc8 23. Qe2 Nc6 24. Na4 h5 25. Qc2 Bh6+ 26. Kb2 Rd2 27. Bd3 Rxc2+ 28. Bxc2 Nd4 29. Rd1 Bg7 30. b4 Kb7 31. cxb6 axb6 32. Nc3 c6 33. Bb3 Bf8 34. a3 c5 35. Bd5+ Kc7 36. Bxd4 exd4 37. Ne2 Bg7 38. Kb3 fxe4 39. fxe4 Bg4 40. Rd2 Bh6 41. Rc2?? { (4.10 → 0.11) Blunder. Rb2 was best. } (41. Rb2 Be3 42. bxc5 bxc5 43. Nxd4 Bxd4 44. Rb1 Bd7) 41... d3 42. Nd4 dxc2 43. Nxc2 Bd1 44. bxc5 bxc5 45. Bf7 g5 46. hxg5 Bxg5 47. e5 Bf4 48. e6 Kd6 49. Kc3 Be2 50. Ne1 h4 51. Nd3 Be3 52. Bg6 Bd4+ 53. Kd2 Bg4 54. Be4 Bxe6 55. a4?! { (-0.22 → -0.96) Inaccuracy. Ne1 was best. } (55. Ne1 Ke5 56. Bb7 Kf4 57. Nc2 Be5 58. Ne3 Bb3 59. Kd3 Ba4 60. Nd5+ Kg3) 55... c4 56. Nb4 Bb6 57. Nc2 Ba5+ 58. Ke2 Ke5 59. Bc6?! { (-1.13 → -1.95) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (59. Kf3 Bf7 60. Bh7 Bh5+ 61. g4 Be8 62. Kg2 Bxa4 63. Ne3 Bb5 64. Kh3 Bd8) 59... Kf4 60. Nd4 Bf7 61. Nf3?! { (-2.38 → -3.37) Inaccuracy. Kd1 was best. } (61. Kd1 c3) 61... c3 62. Nd4 Bg6 63. Kd1 Ke3 64. Nc2+ Kf2 65. Kc1 Bd3 66. Nd4 Bb6 67. Nc2 Bf1 { White resigns. } 0-1[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1694
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Father »

[pgn][/pgn]
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:01 pm [pgn][/pgn]
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:55 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:54 pm
Father wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 am
Marcus91 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:10 am
Uri Blass wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:14 pm today not a good day against lc0 and I won only 3.5-2.5

Note that I did not do serious analysis to prepare but my conclusion that if I get a good position lc0 allow easily to trade pieces so serious preperation should be about getting a good position to learn from my positional mistakes in the opening.

Tactical mistakes when I already made some positional mistake are less important.

I had 2122.3 after 48 games when lc0 with white has 2099.6
I expect some small rating increase based on the 6 games.

total score so far is 35-19 for me(35-18 if I do not include one loss on time because of internet disconnection).
Get ready for the upgrade in the next few days, I can tell you It's going to be really tough!
...Marcus91: Thank you very much for your information and collaboration towards all of us, the chess player community; Your news about the increased gaming power of LeelaQueenOdds is a musical melody to my ears. You are mathematicians and scientists, I am just a learner of the interpretation of the notes of my heart, those notes that Our Programmer has placed in the hearts of his children: (the human being). From my heart I understand and have "a hunch" that LeelaQueenOdds will have the level of play in time controls of 3-0 equivalent to 2500 Elo Fide. And that could be soon... I wonder: Will the elite come to dance 3-0 with LeelaQueenOdds, or will they leave her sitting on the bench during the dance and party? ...Marcus91: Do you think that one day computers will have or possess free will? ... Regarding Mr. Uri Blass: I will be happy when he or someone else takes my second place, or moves me to lower positions, in the standings of the best 100 players who face LeelaQueenOdds. This will give me joy.
Based on the results so far since today's upgrade, the estimate rated of about 2400 at 3'0" (Leela playing White) actually seems a bit low, so your dream of a 2500 LiChess rated queen odds bot (at 3'0") no longer seems unreasonable, although I don't think we are there yet or that we know how to reach that level soon. But we're close enough that sooner or later something should get us there. 2500 LiChess is roughly FM level, so we're talking about giving queen odds to FMs in blitz, hard to believe!
Good morning to the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, Mr. Larry Kaufman, Marcus91, Brunetti, UriBlass. Good morning everyone, I hope you are well and continue well. The Sun has risen to light a new dawn and at the opposite end the moon accompanies us in the common ship in which we fly together through the galaxy. For me on a big day in my awakening, which makes me and allows me to dream again: LeelaQueenOdds has been invited to the ball in Lichess repeatedly by an IM, Mr. "Omniver." Mr. Omniver has made the party great. The IM has hit the queen hard, but has also been thrown to the ring canvas. All without distinction, that is, the LeelaQueenOdds team, the Federated players, and the elite players, as well as the street fighters, such as myself and many more from planet Earth, are called in unison to fight and participate in the dance. Our dream is more than threefold: Beat LeelaQueenOdds, beat the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, beat the Federated and Elite players, and beat the other street fighters, all of the above, after searching for our name to be written, " on the famous list", that is, becoming one of the hundred best players on the results table. Long live the milky way!

[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/FVbgLECR"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Omnivor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "10:35:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2378"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4?? { (0.15 → -5.78) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nd5 Nbd7) 1... e6 2. e3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qa4+ c6 5. Nc3 Bd6 6. d4 O-O 7. Qc2 Nbd7 8. c5 Bc7 9. b4 e5 10. Be2 Re8 11. O-O exd4 12. Nxd4 Nf8 13. Bd3 Ne6 14. Nce2 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Bd7 16. a4 a6 17. a5 Qe7 18. f3 Rad8 19. Kh1 Bc8 20. g4 h6 21. Qg2 Nd7 22. Nf5 Qf8 23. f4 Nf6 24. Bb2 Bxf5 25. gxf5 Ne4?! { (-3.74 → -2.36) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (25... d4 26. e4 Re7 27. Bc1 Kh8 28. e5 Bxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qg3 Rde8 31. Rg1) 26. Bd4?! { (-2.36 → -3.20) Inaccuracy. f6 was best. } (26. f6 g6) 26... f6 27. Bc2 Rd7 28. Bd1 Rde7 29. Bh5 Rd8 30. Bg6 Rdd7 31. Qb2 Rf7 32. Rg1 Qe7 33. Rg2 Kf8 34. Bh5 Qd8 35. Qe2 Ke7 36. Bxf7 Kxf7 37. Qh5+ Kf8 38. Qg6 Qe7 39. Qg4 Qf7 40. Kg1 Re7 41. h4 Ke8 42. Kf1?! { (-2.79 → -3.66) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (42. h5 Kd8 43. Kf1 Re8 44. Ke1 Kc8 45. Ke2 Rg8 46. Qh3 Kb8 47. Kf3 Rf8) 42... Kd7 43. h5 Kc8 44. Kg1 Rd7 45. Kf1 Bd8 46. Kg1 Qe8 47. Kf1 Kb8 48. Kg1?! { (-2.91 → -4.05) Inaccuracy. Qg6 was best. } (48. Qg6 Qxg6 49. hxg6 Be7 50. Kg1 Rd8 51. Kh2 h5 52. Kh3 h4 53. Ba1 Rh8) 48... Ka8?! { (-4.05 → -2.67) Inaccuracy. Nc3 was best. } (48... Nc3 49. Qg6 Qe4 50. Qh7 Nb5 51. Rxg7 Rxg7+ 52. Qxg7 Nxd4 53. exd4 Qxd4+ 54. Kg2) 49. Kf1 Re7 50. Kg1 Bc7 51. Qg6 Qxg6 52. hxg6 Kb8?! { (-2.55 → -1.81) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (52... h5 53. Kh2) 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Kh3 Kd7 55. Kg4 Ke8 56. Kf3 Kf8 57. Kg4 Kg8 58. Kf3 Re8 59. Kg4 Be5? { (-2.02 → -0.65) Mistake. Kf8 was best. } (59... Kf8 60. Rh2) 60. fxe5 fxe5 61. Bb2 Nf6+ 62. Kh3?! { (-0.39 → -1.35) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (62. Kf3 Ne4 63. Rh2 Rf8 64. Rh5 Ng5+ 65. Kg4 Re8 66. Rh2 Kf8 67. Re2 Ne4) 62... Re7?! { (-1.35 → -0.44) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (62... d4 63. exd4) 63. Rg1 Kf8 64. Kg2 Ke8 65. Bc3 Kd8?! { (-1.07 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (65... d4) 66. Be1 Re8 67. Bh4 Ke7 68. e4 d4 69. Kf3 Kf8 70. Bg3 Nh5 71. Bf2 Nf6 72. Bh4 Kg8 73. Re1 Re7 74. Rh1 Re8 75. Bxf6 gxf6 76. Rxh6 Re7 77. Ke2 Rd7 78. Rh3 Re7 79. Kd3 Rd7 80. Kc4 Re7 81. b5 axb5+?! { (0.52 → 1.44) Inaccuracy. Rd7 was best. } (81... Rd7) 82. Kd3 Rd7 83. Rh1 Re7 84. Ra1 Kg7 85. a6 bxa6 86. Rxa6 Rc7 87. Ra8 Kh6 88. Rd8 Kg5 89. Rd6 Rc8 90. Kd2 Rc7 91. Kc2 Rc8 92. Kb3 Rc7 93. Kb4 Rc8 94. Ka5 Rc7?! { (1.95 → 3.00) Inaccuracy. Ra8+ was best. } (94... Ra8+ 95. Kb6) 95. Kb6 Rc8 96. Kb7 Rf8? { (2.33 → 3.90) Mistake. Rg8 was best. } (96... Rg8 97. Kxc6) 97. Kxc6 Kf4 98. Kd7 Kxe4 99. c6 Kxf5 100. Ke7 Rc8 101. g7 b4?! { (3.55 → 5.46) Inaccuracy. Kg6 was best. } (101... Kg6 102. Rd8) 102. Rd8 Rc7+ 103. Kf8 Rxg7?! { (5.32 → 8.61) Inaccuracy. Rxc6 was best. } (103... Rxc6 104. g8=Q Kf4 105. Qd5 Rc3 106. Ke7 Ke3 107. Kxf6 d3 108. Kxe5 b3 109. Rh8) 104. Kxg7 b3? { (9.15 → Mate in 13) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kg5 was best. } (104... Kg5 105. c7) 105. c7 b2?! { (79.80 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kf4 was best. } (105... Kf4 106. c8=Q) 106. c8=Q+ { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/SJ0FrH8b"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "Omnivor"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "09:59:49"]
[WhiteElo "2378"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[WhiteTitle "IM"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. h4 Bg4 6. Be3 Nc6 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qb3 O-O-O 9. Rd1 Rxd1+ 10. Kxd1 Nf6 11. Ng5 h6 12. Nge4 Nxe4 13. Nxe4 Na5 14. Qb5 b6 15. c5 Rd8+ 16. Kc1 Bf5 17. f3 Be6 18. b3 Bf8 19. Bf2 f5 20. Nc3 Bd7 21. Qa6+ Kb8 22. e4 Bc8 23. Qe2 Nc6 24. Na4 h5 25. Qc2 Bh6+ 26. Kb2 Rd2 27. Bd3 Rxc2+ 28. Bxc2 Nd4 29. Rd1 Bg7 30. b4 Kb7 31. cxb6 axb6 32. Nc3 c6 33. Bb3 Bf8 34. a3 c5 35. Bd5+ Kc7 36. Bxd4 exd4 37. Ne2 Bg7 38. Kb3 fxe4 39. fxe4 Bg4 40. Rd2 Bh6 41. Rc2?? { (4.10 → 0.11) Blunder. Rb2 was best. } (41. Rb2 Be3 42. bxc5 bxc5 43. Nxd4 Bxd4 44. Rb1 Bd7) 41... d3 42. Nd4 dxc2 43. Nxc2 Bd1 44. bxc5 bxc5 45. Bf7 g5 46. hxg5 Bxg5 47. e5 Bf4 48. e6 Kd6 49. Kc3 Be2 50. Ne1 h4 51. Nd3 Be3 52. Bg6 Bd4+ 53. Kd2 Bg4 54. Be4 Bxe6 55. a4?! { (-0.22 → -0.96) Inaccuracy. Ne1 was best. } (55. Ne1 Ke5 56. Bb7 Kf4 57. Nc2 Be5 58. Ne3 Bb3 59. Kd3 Ba4 60. Nd5+ Kg3) 55... c4 56. Nb4 Bb6 57. Nc2 Ba5+ 58. Ke2 Ke5 59. Bc6?! { (-1.13 → -1.95) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (59. Kf3 Bf7 60. Bh7 Bh5+ 61. g4 Be8 62. Kg2 Bxa4 63. Ne3 Bb5 64. Kh3 Bd8) 59... Kf4 60. Nd4 Bf7 61. Nf3?! { (-2.38 → -3.37) Inaccuracy. Kd1 was best. } (61. Kd1 c3) 61... c3 62. Nd4 Bg6 63. Kd1 Ke3 64. Nc2+ Kf2 65. Kc1 Bd3 66. Nd4 Bb6 67. Nc2 Bf1 { White resigns. } 0-1[/pgn]
[pgn] [Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Ro4iMYKI"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "MrUltra123"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "12:02:03"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2800"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. e3 c5 2. g4 Nc6 3. Nc3 d5 4. h3 d4 5. Ne4 e5 6. Ng3 h5 7. gxh5 Nf6 8. Be2 e4 9. b3 d3 10. cxd3 exd3 11. Bf3 Nb4 12. Kf1 Bd7 13. Bb2 Bc6 14. e4 Nd7 15. Bg4 f6 16. Nf3 Qc7 17. Nh4 O-O-O 18. Ng6 Rg8 19. Be6 Bd6 20. Bxg8 Rxg8 21. Rg1 Ne5 22. Nh4 Nc2 23. Rc1 Qa5 24. Bc3 Qxa2 25. Ngf5 Bf8 26. h6 g5 27. f4 Nf7 28. h7 Rh8 29. fxg5 fxg5 30. Bxh8 Ne3+ 31. Ke1 Nxf5 32. Nxf5 Bxe4 33. Be5 Bxf5 34. Rf1 Qc2 35. Rxc2 dxc2 36. Bb2 Bg7 37. Rxf5 Bxb2 38. Rxc5+ Kd7 39. Rxc2 Bh8 40. Ke2 Nd6 41. Kf3 Ne8 42. Rc5 { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
lkaufman
Posts: 6117
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:15 am
Location: Maryland USA
Full name: Larry Kaufman

Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by lkaufman »

Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:01 pm [pgn][/pgn]
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:55 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:54 pm
Father wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 am
Marcus91 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:10 am
Uri Blass wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:14 pm today not a good day against lc0 and I won only 3.5-2.5

Note that I did not do serious analysis to prepare but my conclusion that if I get a good position lc0 allow easily to trade pieces so serious preperation should be about getting a good position to learn from my positional mistakes in the opening.

Tactical mistakes when I already made some positional mistake are less important.

I had 2122.3 after 48 games when lc0 with white has 2099.6
I expect some small rating increase based on the 6 games.

total score so far is 35-19 for me(35-18 if I do not include one loss on time because of internet disconnection).
Get ready for the upgrade in the next few days, I can tell you It's going to be really tough!
...Marcus91: Thank you very much for your information and collaboration towards all of us, the chess player community; Your news about the increased gaming power of LeelaQueenOdds is a musical melody to my ears. You are mathematicians and scientists, I am just a learner of the interpretation of the notes of my heart, those notes that Our Programmer has placed in the hearts of his children: (the human being). From my heart I understand and have "a hunch" that LeelaQueenOdds will have the level of play in time controls of 3-0 equivalent to 2500 Elo Fide. And that could be soon... I wonder: Will the elite come to dance 3-0 with LeelaQueenOdds, or will they leave her sitting on the bench during the dance and party? ...Marcus91: Do you think that one day computers will have or possess free will? ... Regarding Mr. Uri Blass: I will be happy when he or someone else takes my second place, or moves me to lower positions, in the standings of the best 100 players who face LeelaQueenOdds. This will give me joy.
Based on the results so far since today's upgrade, the estimate rated of about 2400 at 3'0" (Leela playing White) actually seems a bit low, so your dream of a 2500 LiChess rated queen odds bot (at 3'0") no longer seems unreasonable, although I don't think we are there yet or that we know how to reach that level soon. But we're close enough that sooner or later something should get us there. 2500 LiChess is roughly FM level, so we're talking about giving queen odds to FMs in blitz, hard to believe!
Good morning to the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, Mr. Larry Kaufman, Marcus91, Brunetti, UriBlass. Good morning everyone, I hope you are well and continue well. The Sun has risen to light a new dawn and at the opposite end the moon accompanies us in the common ship in which we fly together through the galaxy. For me on a big day in my awakening, which makes me and allows me to dream again: LeelaQueenOdds has been invited to the ball in Lichess repeatedly by an IM, Mr. "Omniver." Mr. Omniver has made the party great. The IM has hit the queen hard, but has also been thrown to the ring canvas. All without distinction, that is, the LeelaQueenOdds team, the Federated players, and the elite players, as well as the street fighters, such as myself and many more from planet Earth, are called in unison to fight and participate in the dance. Our dream is more than threefold: Beat LeelaQueenOdds, beat the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, beat the Federated and Elite players, and beat the other street fighters, all of the above, after searching for our name to be written, " on the famous list", that is, becoming one of the hundred best players on the results table. Long live the milky way!

[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/FVbgLECR"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Omnivor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "10:35:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2378"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4?? { (0.15 → -5.78) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nd5 Nbd7) 1... e6 2. e3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qa4+ c6 5. Nc3 Bd6 6. d4 O-O 7. Qc2 Nbd7 8. c5 Bc7 9. b4 e5 10. Be2 Re8 11. O-O exd4 12. Nxd4 Nf8 13. Bd3 Ne6 14. Nce2 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Bd7 16. a4 a6 17. a5 Qe7 18. f3 Rad8 19. Kh1 Bc8 20. g4 h6 21. Qg2 Nd7 22. Nf5 Qf8 23. f4 Nf6 24. Bb2 Bxf5 25. gxf5 Ne4?! { (-3.74 → -2.36) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (25... d4 26. e4 Re7 27. Bc1 Kh8 28. e5 Bxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qg3 Rde8 31. Rg1) 26. Bd4?! { (-2.36 → -3.20) Inaccuracy. f6 was best. } (26. f6 g6) 26... f6 27. Bc2 Rd7 28. Bd1 Rde7 29. Bh5 Rd8 30. Bg6 Rdd7 31. Qb2 Rf7 32. Rg1 Qe7 33. Rg2 Kf8 34. Bh5 Qd8 35. Qe2 Ke7 36. Bxf7 Kxf7 37. Qh5+ Kf8 38. Qg6 Qe7 39. Qg4 Qf7 40. Kg1 Re7 41. h4 Ke8 42. Kf1?! { (-2.79 → -3.66) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (42. h5 Kd8 43. Kf1 Re8 44. Ke1 Kc8 45. Ke2 Rg8 46. Qh3 Kb8 47. Kf3 Rf8) 42... Kd7 43. h5 Kc8 44. Kg1 Rd7 45. Kf1 Bd8 46. Kg1 Qe8 47. Kf1 Kb8 48. Kg1?! { (-2.91 → -4.05) Inaccuracy. Qg6 was best. } (48. Qg6 Qxg6 49. hxg6 Be7 50. Kg1 Rd8 51. Kh2 h5 52. Kh3 h4 53. Ba1 Rh8) 48... Ka8?! { (-4.05 → -2.67) Inaccuracy. Nc3 was best. } (48... Nc3 49. Qg6 Qe4 50. Qh7 Nb5 51. Rxg7 Rxg7+ 52. Qxg7 Nxd4 53. exd4 Qxd4+ 54. Kg2) 49. Kf1 Re7 50. Kg1 Bc7 51. Qg6 Qxg6 52. hxg6 Kb8?! { (-2.55 → -1.81) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (52... h5 53. Kh2) 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Kh3 Kd7 55. Kg4 Ke8 56. Kf3 Kf8 57. Kg4 Kg8 58. Kf3 Re8 59. Kg4 Be5? { (-2.02 → -0.65) Mistake. Kf8 was best. } (59... Kf8 60. Rh2) 60. fxe5 fxe5 61. Bb2 Nf6+ 62. Kh3?! { (-0.39 → -1.35) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (62. Kf3 Ne4 63. Rh2 Rf8 64. Rh5 Ng5+ 65. Kg4 Re8 66. Rh2 Kf8 67. Re2 Ne4) 62... Re7?! { (-1.35 → -0.44) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (62... d4 63. exd4) 63. Rg1 Kf8 64. Kg2 Ke8 65. Bc3 Kd8?! { (-1.07 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (65... d4) 66. Be1 Re8 67. Bh4 Ke7 68. e4 d4 69. Kf3 Kf8 70. Bg3 Nh5 71. Bf2 Nf6 72. Bh4 Kg8 73. Re1 Re7 74. Rh1 Re8 75. Bxf6 gxf6 76. Rxh6 Re7 77. Ke2 Rd7 78. Rh3 Re7 79. Kd3 Rd7 80. Kc4 Re7 81. b5 axb5+?! { (0.52 → 1.44) Inaccuracy. Rd7 was best. } (81... Rd7) 82. Kd3 Rd7 83. Rh1 Re7 84. Ra1 Kg7 85. a6 bxa6 86. Rxa6 Rc7 87. Ra8 Kh6 88. Rd8 Kg5 89. Rd6 Rc8 90. Kd2 Rc7 91. Kc2 Rc8 92. Kb3 Rc7 93. Kb4 Rc8 94. Ka5 Rc7?! { (1.95 → 3.00) Inaccuracy. Ra8+ was best. } (94... Ra8+ 95. Kb6) 95. Kb6 Rc8 96. Kb7 Rf8? { (2.33 → 3.90) Mistake. Rg8 was best. } (96... Rg8 97. Kxc6) 97. Kxc6 Kf4 98. Kd7 Kxe4 99. c6 Kxf5 100. Ke7 Rc8 101. g7 b4?! { (3.55 → 5.46) Inaccuracy. Kg6 was best. } (101... Kg6 102. Rd8) 102. Rd8 Rc7+ 103. Kf8 Rxg7?! { (5.32 → 8.61) Inaccuracy. Rxc6 was best. } (103... Rxc6 104. g8=Q Kf4 105. Qd5 Rc3 106. Ke7 Ke3 107. Kxf6 d3 108. Kxe5 b3 109. Rh8) 104. Kxg7 b3? { (9.15 → Mate in 13) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kg5 was best. } (104... Kg5 105. c7) 105. c7 b2?! { (79.80 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kf4 was best. } (105... Kf4 106. c8=Q) 106. c8=Q+ { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/SJ0FrH8b"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "Omnivor"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "09:59:49"]
[WhiteElo "2378"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[WhiteTitle "IM"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. h4 Bg4 6. Be3 Nc6 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qb3 O-O-O 9. Rd1 Rxd1+ 10. Kxd1 Nf6 11. Ng5 h6 12. Nge4 Nxe4 13. Nxe4 Na5 14. Qb5 b6 15. c5 Rd8+ 16. Kc1 Bf5 17. f3 Be6 18. b3 Bf8 19. Bf2 f5 20. Nc3 Bd7 21. Qa6+ Kb8 22. e4 Bc8 23. Qe2 Nc6 24. Na4 h5 25. Qc2 Bh6+ 26. Kb2 Rd2 27. Bd3 Rxc2+ 28. Bxc2 Nd4 29. Rd1 Bg7 30. b4 Kb7 31. cxb6 axb6 32. Nc3 c6 33. Bb3 Bf8 34. a3 c5 35. Bd5+ Kc7 36. Bxd4 exd4 37. Ne2 Bg7 38. Kb3 fxe4 39. fxe4 Bg4 40. Rd2 Bh6 41. Rc2?? { (4.10 → 0.11) Blunder. Rb2 was best. } (41. Rb2 Be3 42. bxc5 bxc5 43. Nxd4 Bxd4 44. Rb1 Bd7) 41... d3 42. Nd4 dxc2 43. Nxc2 Bd1 44. bxc5 bxc5 45. Bf7 g5 46. hxg5 Bxg5 47. e5 Bf4 48. e6 Kd6 49. Kc3 Be2 50. Ne1 h4 51. Nd3 Be3 52. Bg6 Bd4+ 53. Kd2 Bg4 54. Be4 Bxe6 55. a4?! { (-0.22 → -0.96) Inaccuracy. Ne1 was best. } (55. Ne1 Ke5 56. Bb7 Kf4 57. Nc2 Be5 58. Ne3 Bb3 59. Kd3 Ba4 60. Nd5+ Kg3) 55... c4 56. Nb4 Bb6 57. Nc2 Ba5+ 58. Ke2 Ke5 59. Bc6?! { (-1.13 → -1.95) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (59. Kf3 Bf7 60. Bh7 Bh5+ 61. g4 Be8 62. Kg2 Bxa4 63. Ne3 Bb5 64. Kh3 Bd8) 59... Kf4 60. Nd4 Bf7 61. Nf3?! { (-2.38 → -3.37) Inaccuracy. Kd1 was best. } (61. Kd1 c3) 61... c3 62. Nd4 Bg6 63. Kd1 Ke3 64. Nc2+ Kf2 65. Kc1 Bd3 66. Nd4 Bb6 67. Nc2 Bf1 { White resigns. } 0-1[/pgn]
Much more amazing yet, Leela Queen Odds won a game at 5'3" from an IM with a 2800 Lichess Blitz rating!!! That is truly insane. The game looks legit, not won by time or a ridiculous blunder or anything suspicious. Unbelievable. You post the game above, it is the game with Mrultra123.
Komodo rules!
Uri Blass
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Location: Tel-Aviv Israel

Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by Uri Blass »

lkaufman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:31 pm
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:01 pm [pgn][/pgn]
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:55 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:54 pm
Father wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 am
Marcus91 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:10 am
Uri Blass wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:14 pm today not a good day against lc0 and I won only 3.5-2.5

Note that I did not do serious analysis to prepare but my conclusion that if I get a good position lc0 allow easily to trade pieces so serious preperation should be about getting a good position to learn from my positional mistakes in the opening.

Tactical mistakes when I already made some positional mistake are less important.

I had 2122.3 after 48 games when lc0 with white has 2099.6
I expect some small rating increase based on the 6 games.

total score so far is 35-19 for me(35-18 if I do not include one loss on time because of internet disconnection).
Get ready for the upgrade in the next few days, I can tell you It's going to be really tough!
...Marcus91: Thank you very much for your information and collaboration towards all of us, the chess player community; Your news about the increased gaming power of LeelaQueenOdds is a musical melody to my ears. You are mathematicians and scientists, I am just a learner of the interpretation of the notes of my heart, those notes that Our Programmer has placed in the hearts of his children: (the human being). From my heart I understand and have "a hunch" that LeelaQueenOdds will have the level of play in time controls of 3-0 equivalent to 2500 Elo Fide. And that could be soon... I wonder: Will the elite come to dance 3-0 with LeelaQueenOdds, or will they leave her sitting on the bench during the dance and party? ...Marcus91: Do you think that one day computers will have or possess free will? ... Regarding Mr. Uri Blass: I will be happy when he or someone else takes my second place, or moves me to lower positions, in the standings of the best 100 players who face LeelaQueenOdds. This will give me joy.
Based on the results so far since today's upgrade, the estimate rated of about 2400 at 3'0" (Leela playing White) actually seems a bit low, so your dream of a 2500 LiChess rated queen odds bot (at 3'0") no longer seems unreasonable, although I don't think we are there yet or that we know how to reach that level soon. But we're close enough that sooner or later something should get us there. 2500 LiChess is roughly FM level, so we're talking about giving queen odds to FMs in blitz, hard to believe!
Good morning to the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, Mr. Larry Kaufman, Marcus91, Brunetti, UriBlass. Good morning everyone, I hope you are well and continue well. The Sun has risen to light a new dawn and at the opposite end the moon accompanies us in the common ship in which we fly together through the galaxy. For me on a big day in my awakening, which makes me and allows me to dream again: LeelaQueenOdds has been invited to the ball in Lichess repeatedly by an IM, Mr. "Omniver." Mr. Omniver has made the party great. The IM has hit the queen hard, but has also been thrown to the ring canvas. All without distinction, that is, the LeelaQueenOdds team, the Federated players, and the elite players, as well as the street fighters, such as myself and many more from planet Earth, are called in unison to fight and participate in the dance. Our dream is more than threefold: Beat LeelaQueenOdds, beat the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, beat the Federated and Elite players, and beat the other street fighters, all of the above, after searching for our name to be written, " on the famous list", that is, becoming one of the hundred best players on the results table. Long live the milky way!

[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/FVbgLECR"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Omnivor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "10:35:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2378"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4?? { (0.15 → -5.78) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nd5 Nbd7) 1... e6 2. e3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qa4+ c6 5. Nc3 Bd6 6. d4 O-O 7. Qc2 Nbd7 8. c5 Bc7 9. b4 e5 10. Be2 Re8 11. O-O exd4 12. Nxd4 Nf8 13. Bd3 Ne6 14. Nce2 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Bd7 16. a4 a6 17. a5 Qe7 18. f3 Rad8 19. Kh1 Bc8 20. g4 h6 21. Qg2 Nd7 22. Nf5 Qf8 23. f4 Nf6 24. Bb2 Bxf5 25. gxf5 Ne4?! { (-3.74 → -2.36) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (25... d4 26. e4 Re7 27. Bc1 Kh8 28. e5 Bxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qg3 Rde8 31. Rg1) 26. Bd4?! { (-2.36 → -3.20) Inaccuracy. f6 was best. } (26. f6 g6) 26... f6 27. Bc2 Rd7 28. Bd1 Rde7 29. Bh5 Rd8 30. Bg6 Rdd7 31. Qb2 Rf7 32. Rg1 Qe7 33. Rg2 Kf8 34. Bh5 Qd8 35. Qe2 Ke7 36. Bxf7 Kxf7 37. Qh5+ Kf8 38. Qg6 Qe7 39. Qg4 Qf7 40. Kg1 Re7 41. h4 Ke8 42. Kf1?! { (-2.79 → -3.66) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (42. h5 Kd8 43. Kf1 Re8 44. Ke1 Kc8 45. Ke2 Rg8 46. Qh3 Kb8 47. Kf3 Rf8) 42... Kd7 43. h5 Kc8 44. Kg1 Rd7 45. Kf1 Bd8 46. Kg1 Qe8 47. Kf1 Kb8 48. Kg1?! { (-2.91 → -4.05) Inaccuracy. Qg6 was best. } (48. Qg6 Qxg6 49. hxg6 Be7 50. Kg1 Rd8 51. Kh2 h5 52. Kh3 h4 53. Ba1 Rh8) 48... Ka8?! { (-4.05 → -2.67) Inaccuracy. Nc3 was best. } (48... Nc3 49. Qg6 Qe4 50. Qh7 Nb5 51. Rxg7 Rxg7+ 52. Qxg7 Nxd4 53. exd4 Qxd4+ 54. Kg2) 49. Kf1 Re7 50. Kg1 Bc7 51. Qg6 Qxg6 52. hxg6 Kb8?! { (-2.55 → -1.81) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (52... h5 53. Kh2) 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Kh3 Kd7 55. Kg4 Ke8 56. Kf3 Kf8 57. Kg4 Kg8 58. Kf3 Re8 59. Kg4 Be5? { (-2.02 → -0.65) Mistake. Kf8 was best. } (59... Kf8 60. Rh2) 60. fxe5 fxe5 61. Bb2 Nf6+ 62. Kh3?! { (-0.39 → -1.35) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (62. Kf3 Ne4 63. Rh2 Rf8 64. Rh5 Ng5+ 65. Kg4 Re8 66. Rh2 Kf8 67. Re2 Ne4) 62... Re7?! { (-1.35 → -0.44) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (62... d4 63. exd4) 63. Rg1 Kf8 64. Kg2 Ke8 65. Bc3 Kd8?! { (-1.07 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (65... d4) 66. Be1 Re8 67. Bh4 Ke7 68. e4 d4 69. Kf3 Kf8 70. Bg3 Nh5 71. Bf2 Nf6 72. Bh4 Kg8 73. Re1 Re7 74. Rh1 Re8 75. Bxf6 gxf6 76. Rxh6 Re7 77. Ke2 Rd7 78. Rh3 Re7 79. Kd3 Rd7 80. Kc4 Re7 81. b5 axb5+?! { (0.52 → 1.44) Inaccuracy. Rd7 was best. } (81... Rd7) 82. Kd3 Rd7 83. Rh1 Re7 84. Ra1 Kg7 85. a6 bxa6 86. Rxa6 Rc7 87. Ra8 Kh6 88. Rd8 Kg5 89. Rd6 Rc8 90. Kd2 Rc7 91. Kc2 Rc8 92. Kb3 Rc7 93. Kb4 Rc8 94. Ka5 Rc7?! { (1.95 → 3.00) Inaccuracy. Ra8+ was best. } (94... Ra8+ 95. Kb6) 95. Kb6 Rc8 96. Kb7 Rf8? { (2.33 → 3.90) Mistake. Rg8 was best. } (96... Rg8 97. Kxc6) 97. Kxc6 Kf4 98. Kd7 Kxe4 99. c6 Kxf5 100. Ke7 Rc8 101. g7 b4?! { (3.55 → 5.46) Inaccuracy. Kg6 was best. } (101... Kg6 102. Rd8) 102. Rd8 Rc7+ 103. Kf8 Rxg7?! { (5.32 → 8.61) Inaccuracy. Rxc6 was best. } (103... Rxc6 104. g8=Q Kf4 105. Qd5 Rc3 106. Ke7 Ke3 107. Kxf6 d3 108. Kxe5 b3 109. Rh8) 104. Kxg7 b3? { (9.15 → Mate in 13) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kg5 was best. } (104... Kg5 105. c7) 105. c7 b2?! { (79.80 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kf4 was best. } (105... Kf4 106. c8=Q) 106. c8=Q+ { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/SJ0FrH8b"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "Omnivor"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "09:59:49"]
[WhiteElo "2378"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[WhiteTitle "IM"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. h4 Bg4 6. Be3 Nc6 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qb3 O-O-O 9. Rd1 Rxd1+ 10. Kxd1 Nf6 11. Ng5 h6 12. Nge4 Nxe4 13. Nxe4 Na5 14. Qb5 b6 15. c5 Rd8+ 16. Kc1 Bf5 17. f3 Be6 18. b3 Bf8 19. Bf2 f5 20. Nc3 Bd7 21. Qa6+ Kb8 22. e4 Bc8 23. Qe2 Nc6 24. Na4 h5 25. Qc2 Bh6+ 26. Kb2 Rd2 27. Bd3 Rxc2+ 28. Bxc2 Nd4 29. Rd1 Bg7 30. b4 Kb7 31. cxb6 axb6 32. Nc3 c6 33. Bb3 Bf8 34. a3 c5 35. Bd5+ Kc7 36. Bxd4 exd4 37. Ne2 Bg7 38. Kb3 fxe4 39. fxe4 Bg4 40. Rd2 Bh6 41. Rc2?? { (4.10 → 0.11) Blunder. Rb2 was best. } (41. Rb2 Be3 42. bxc5 bxc5 43. Nxd4 Bxd4 44. Rb1 Bd7) 41... d3 42. Nd4 dxc2 43. Nxc2 Bd1 44. bxc5 bxc5 45. Bf7 g5 46. hxg5 Bxg5 47. e5 Bf4 48. e6 Kd6 49. Kc3 Be2 50. Ne1 h4 51. Nd3 Be3 52. Bg6 Bd4+ 53. Kd2 Bg4 54. Be4 Bxe6 55. a4?! { (-0.22 → -0.96) Inaccuracy. Ne1 was best. } (55. Ne1 Ke5 56. Bb7 Kf4 57. Nc2 Be5 58. Ne3 Bb3 59. Kd3 Ba4 60. Nd5+ Kg3) 55... c4 56. Nb4 Bb6 57. Nc2 Ba5+ 58. Ke2 Ke5 59. Bc6?! { (-1.13 → -1.95) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (59. Kf3 Bf7 60. Bh7 Bh5+ 61. g4 Be8 62. Kg2 Bxa4 63. Ne3 Bb5 64. Kh3 Bd8) 59... Kf4 60. Nd4 Bf7 61. Nf3?! { (-2.38 → -3.37) Inaccuracy. Kd1 was best. } (61. Kd1 c3) 61... c3 62. Nd4 Bg6 63. Kd1 Ke3 64. Nc2+ Kf2 65. Kc1 Bd3 66. Nd4 Bb6 67. Nc2 Bf1 { White resigns. } 0-1[/pgn]
Much more amazing yet, Leela Queen Odds won a game at 5'3" from an IM with a 2800 Lichess Blitz rating!!! That is truly insane. The game looks legit, not won by time or a ridiculous blunder or anything suspicious. Unbelievable. You post the game above, it is the game with Mrultra123.
I think 34...Qc2 is a clear blunder in the relevant game
Maybe black thought he is winning and missed after this sacrifice and missed the fact that 38.Rxc5 is check

https://lichess.org/Ro4iMYKI#67
kasinp
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by kasinp »

I find it difficult to explain to my non-chess friends what it feels like to see these queen odds games.
Finally I came up with a way to express this (subjective) feeling: someone came up with a way to win at tic tac toe. What??? Exactly.

Cheers,
Peter
lkaufman
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Location: Maryland USA
Full name: Larry Kaufman

Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

Post by lkaufman »

Uri Blass wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:21 am
lkaufman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:31 pm
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:01 pm [pgn][/pgn]
Father wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:55 pm
lkaufman wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:54 pm
Father wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:06 am
Marcus91 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:10 am
Uri Blass wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:14 pm today not a good day against lc0 and I won only 3.5-2.5

Note that I did not do serious analysis to prepare but my conclusion that if I get a good position lc0 allow easily to trade pieces so serious preperation should be about getting a good position to learn from my positional mistakes in the opening.

Tactical mistakes when I already made some positional mistake are less important.

I had 2122.3 after 48 games when lc0 with white has 2099.6
I expect some small rating increase based on the 6 games.

total score so far is 35-19 for me(35-18 if I do not include one loss on time because of internet disconnection).
Get ready for the upgrade in the next few days, I can tell you It's going to be really tough!
...Marcus91: Thank you very much for your information and collaboration towards all of us, the chess player community; Your news about the increased gaming power of LeelaQueenOdds is a musical melody to my ears. You are mathematicians and scientists, I am just a learner of the interpretation of the notes of my heart, those notes that Our Programmer has placed in the hearts of his children: (the human being). From my heart I understand and have "a hunch" that LeelaQueenOdds will have the level of play in time controls of 3-0 equivalent to 2500 Elo Fide. And that could be soon... I wonder: Will the elite come to dance 3-0 with LeelaQueenOdds, or will they leave her sitting on the bench during the dance and party? ...Marcus91: Do you think that one day computers will have or possess free will? ... Regarding Mr. Uri Blass: I will be happy when he or someone else takes my second place, or moves me to lower positions, in the standings of the best 100 players who face LeelaQueenOdds. This will give me joy.
Based on the results so far since today's upgrade, the estimate rated of about 2400 at 3'0" (Leela playing White) actually seems a bit low, so your dream of a 2500 LiChess rated queen odds bot (at 3'0") no longer seems unreasonable, although I don't think we are there yet or that we know how to reach that level soon. But we're close enough that sooner or later something should get us there. 2500 LiChess is roughly FM level, so we're talking about giving queen odds to FMs in blitz, hard to believe!
Good morning to the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, Mr. Larry Kaufman, Marcus91, Brunetti, UriBlass. Good morning everyone, I hope you are well and continue well. The Sun has risen to light a new dawn and at the opposite end the moon accompanies us in the common ship in which we fly together through the galaxy. For me on a big day in my awakening, which makes me and allows me to dream again: LeelaQueenOdds has been invited to the ball in Lichess repeatedly by an IM, Mr. "Omniver." Mr. Omniver has made the party great. The IM has hit the queen hard, but has also been thrown to the ring canvas. All without distinction, that is, the LeelaQueenOdds team, the Federated players, and the elite players, as well as the street fighters, such as myself and many more from planet Earth, are called in unison to fight and participate in the dance. Our dream is more than threefold: Beat LeelaQueenOdds, beat the creative team of LeelaQueenOdds, beat the Federated and Elite players, and beat the other street fighters, all of the above, after searching for our name to be written, " on the famous list", that is, becoming one of the hundred best players on the results table. Long live the milky way!

[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/FVbgLECR"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Omnivor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "10:35:00"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2378"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4?? { (0.15 → -5.78) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nd5 Nbd7) 1... e6 2. e3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qa4+ c6 5. Nc3 Bd6 6. d4 O-O 7. Qc2 Nbd7 8. c5 Bc7 9. b4 e5 10. Be2 Re8 11. O-O exd4 12. Nxd4 Nf8 13. Bd3 Ne6 14. Nce2 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Bd7 16. a4 a6 17. a5 Qe7 18. f3 Rad8 19. Kh1 Bc8 20. g4 h6 21. Qg2 Nd7 22. Nf5 Qf8 23. f4 Nf6 24. Bb2 Bxf5 25. gxf5 Ne4?! { (-3.74 → -2.36) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (25... d4 26. e4 Re7 27. Bc1 Kh8 28. e5 Bxe5 29. fxe5 Rxe5 30. Qg3 Rde8 31. Rg1) 26. Bd4?! { (-2.36 → -3.20) Inaccuracy. f6 was best. } (26. f6 g6) 26... f6 27. Bc2 Rd7 28. Bd1 Rde7 29. Bh5 Rd8 30. Bg6 Rdd7 31. Qb2 Rf7 32. Rg1 Qe7 33. Rg2 Kf8 34. Bh5 Qd8 35. Qe2 Ke7 36. Bxf7 Kxf7 37. Qh5+ Kf8 38. Qg6 Qe7 39. Qg4 Qf7 40. Kg1 Re7 41. h4 Ke8 42. Kf1?! { (-2.79 → -3.66) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (42. h5 Kd8 43. Kf1 Re8 44. Ke1 Kc8 45. Ke2 Rg8 46. Qh3 Kb8 47. Kf3 Rf8) 42... Kd7 43. h5 Kc8 44. Kg1 Rd7 45. Kf1 Bd8 46. Kg1 Qe8 47. Kf1 Kb8 48. Kg1?! { (-2.91 → -4.05) Inaccuracy. Qg6 was best. } (48. Qg6 Qxg6 49. hxg6 Be7 50. Kg1 Rd8 51. Kh2 h5 52. Kh3 h4 53. Ba1 Rh8) 48... Ka8?! { (-4.05 → -2.67) Inaccuracy. Nc3 was best. } (48... Nc3 49. Qg6 Qe4 50. Qh7 Nb5 51. Rxg7 Rxg7+ 52. Qxg7 Nxd4 53. exd4 Qxd4+ 54. Kg2) 49. Kf1 Re7 50. Kg1 Bc7 51. Qg6 Qxg6 52. hxg6 Kb8?! { (-2.55 → -1.81) Inaccuracy. h5 was best. } (52... h5 53. Kh2) 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Kh3 Kd7 55. Kg4 Ke8 56. Kf3 Kf8 57. Kg4 Kg8 58. Kf3 Re8 59. Kg4 Be5? { (-2.02 → -0.65) Mistake. Kf8 was best. } (59... Kf8 60. Rh2) 60. fxe5 fxe5 61. Bb2 Nf6+ 62. Kh3?! { (-0.39 → -1.35) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (62. Kf3 Ne4 63. Rh2 Rf8 64. Rh5 Ng5+ 65. Kg4 Re8 66. Rh2 Kf8 67. Re2 Ne4) 62... Re7?! { (-1.35 → -0.44) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (62... d4 63. exd4) 63. Rg1 Kf8 64. Kg2 Ke8 65. Bc3 Kd8?! { (-1.07 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. d4 was best. } (65... d4) 66. Be1 Re8 67. Bh4 Ke7 68. e4 d4 69. Kf3 Kf8 70. Bg3 Nh5 71. Bf2 Nf6 72. Bh4 Kg8 73. Re1 Re7 74. Rh1 Re8 75. Bxf6 gxf6 76. Rxh6 Re7 77. Ke2 Rd7 78. Rh3 Re7 79. Kd3 Rd7 80. Kc4 Re7 81. b5 axb5+?! { (0.52 → 1.44) Inaccuracy. Rd7 was best. } (81... Rd7) 82. Kd3 Rd7 83. Rh1 Re7 84. Ra1 Kg7 85. a6 bxa6 86. Rxa6 Rc7 87. Ra8 Kh6 88. Rd8 Kg5 89. Rd6 Rc8 90. Kd2 Rc7 91. Kc2 Rc8 92. Kb3 Rc7 93. Kb4 Rc8 94. Ka5 Rc7?! { (1.95 → 3.00) Inaccuracy. Ra8+ was best. } (94... Ra8+ 95. Kb6) 95. Kb6 Rc8 96. Kb7 Rf8? { (2.33 → 3.90) Mistake. Rg8 was best. } (96... Rg8 97. Kxc6) 97. Kxc6 Kf4 98. Kd7 Kxe4 99. c6 Kxf5 100. Ke7 Rc8 101. g7 b4?! { (3.55 → 5.46) Inaccuracy. Kg6 was best. } (101... Kg6 102. Rd8) 102. Rd8 Rc7+ 103. Kf8 Rxg7?! { (5.32 → 8.61) Inaccuracy. Rxc6 was best. } (103... Rxc6 104. g8=Q Kf4 105. Qd5 Rc3 106. Ke7 Ke3 107. Kxf6 d3 108. Kxe5 b3 109. Rh8) 104. Kxg7 b3? { (9.15 → Mate in 13) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kg5 was best. } (104... Kg5 105. c7) 105. c7 b2?! { (79.80 → Mate in 12) Checkmate is now unavoidable. Kf4 was best. } (105... Kf4 106. c8=Q) 106. c8=Q+ { Black resigns. } 1-0[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/SJ0FrH8b"]
[Date "2024.11.13"]
[White "Omnivor"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2024.11.13"]
[UTCTime "09:59:49"]
[WhiteElo "2378"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[WhiteTitle "IM"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "300+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. h4 Bg4 6. Be3 Nc6 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qb3 O-O-O 9. Rd1 Rxd1+ 10. Kxd1 Nf6 11. Ng5 h6 12. Nge4 Nxe4 13. Nxe4 Na5 14. Qb5 b6 15. c5 Rd8+ 16. Kc1 Bf5 17. f3 Be6 18. b3 Bf8 19. Bf2 f5 20. Nc3 Bd7 21. Qa6+ Kb8 22. e4 Bc8 23. Qe2 Nc6 24. Na4 h5 25. Qc2 Bh6+ 26. Kb2 Rd2 27. Bd3 Rxc2+ 28. Bxc2 Nd4 29. Rd1 Bg7 30. b4 Kb7 31. cxb6 axb6 32. Nc3 c6 33. Bb3 Bf8 34. a3 c5 35. Bd5+ Kc7 36. Bxd4 exd4 37. Ne2 Bg7 38. Kb3 fxe4 39. fxe4 Bg4 40. Rd2 Bh6 41. Rc2?? { (4.10 → 0.11) Blunder. Rb2 was best. } (41. Rb2 Be3 42. bxc5 bxc5 43. Nxd4 Bxd4 44. Rb1 Bd7) 41... d3 42. Nd4 dxc2 43. Nxc2 Bd1 44. bxc5 bxc5 45. Bf7 g5 46. hxg5 Bxg5 47. e5 Bf4 48. e6 Kd6 49. Kc3 Be2 50. Ne1 h4 51. Nd3 Be3 52. Bg6 Bd4+ 53. Kd2 Bg4 54. Be4 Bxe6 55. a4?! { (-0.22 → -0.96) Inaccuracy. Ne1 was best. } (55. Ne1 Ke5 56. Bb7 Kf4 57. Nc2 Be5 58. Ne3 Bb3 59. Kd3 Ba4 60. Nd5+ Kg3) 55... c4 56. Nb4 Bb6 57. Nc2 Ba5+ 58. Ke2 Ke5 59. Bc6?! { (-1.13 → -1.95) Inaccuracy. Kf3 was best. } (59. Kf3 Bf7 60. Bh7 Bh5+ 61. g4 Be8 62. Kg2 Bxa4 63. Ne3 Bb5 64. Kh3 Bd8) 59... Kf4 60. Nd4 Bf7 61. Nf3?! { (-2.38 → -3.37) Inaccuracy. Kd1 was best. } (61. Kd1 c3) 61... c3 62. Nd4 Bg6 63. Kd1 Ke3 64. Nc2+ Kf2 65. Kc1 Bd3 66. Nd4 Bb6 67. Nc2 Bf1 { White resigns. } 0-1[/pgn]
Much more amazing yet, Leela Queen Odds won a game at 5'3" from an IM with a 2800 Lichess Blitz rating!!! That is truly insane. The game looks legit, not won by time or a ridiculous blunder or anything suspicious. Unbelievable. You post the game above, it is the game with Mrultra123.
I think 34...Qc2 is a clear blunder in the relevant game
Maybe black thought he is winning and missed after this sacrifice and missed the fact that 38.Rxc5 is check

https://lichess.org/Ro4iMYKI#67
Missing something about a move four moves down a line might be called a blunder at high level classical chess, but calling it a blunder when played by a human in a blitz game is stretching the word I think. Of course it wasn't his finest game, but he didn't make any moves that would be unusual for an IM playing blitz I think. Obviously you need mistakes to win when giving queen odds, it's just remarkable that you don't need obvious ones against a strong human opponent like putting pieces where they can be taken or missing mate in one.
Komodo rules!