A comment of Yuri Osipov about V.Rajlich statement

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A comment of Yuri Osipov about V.Rajlich statement

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From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.

Vas: The traces of this are everywhere.

Everyone who looked at the source code of Strelka came to conclusion that "everywhere" there is traces of Fruit. Or Rybka contains Fruit too?

Vas: The board representation is identical...

It's easy to see that "board representation is identical" to Fruit with changing some parts to bitboard.

Vas: ... and all sorts of absolutely unique Rybka code methods, bitboard tricks...

Noone found in Strelka some unique code methods or bitboard tricks. Just the contrary, everyone is thinking that there is nothing unusual or outstanding.

Vas: ... and even exact data tables are used throughout.

If he means the data tables from emater.c file, there is no such data tables in Rybka -- I have checked it. And everyone can check it scanning Rybka's exe. In Strelka there is no other big data tables.

Vas: Significant portions of the search and evaluation logic are not fully disassembled...

Then how it works if it is not fully disassembled?

Vas: ... he hasn't yet fully understood what is happening.

I guess, everyone understood the logic of the program (except me and Vasik may be?)

Vas: Rybka's UCI string are used throughout.

I'm not a masochist to disassemble UCI-block of Rybka when there is fine written Fruit.

Vas: The author did at first make attempts to hide the Rybka origins, for example by masking the table values in earlier Strelka versions.

Does it mean that source code of the earlier versions of Streka was known to Vasik? Then why he kept silence for so long?

After this there is a paragraph about differences between Strelka and Rybka. And again -- differences are found "everywhere". Question: what is more -- differences or identities?

Vas: In light of the above, I am claiming Strelka 2.0 as my own and will release it in the next few days under my own name.

Your welcome. I had not declared anywhere nor I had registered the copyright of Strelka. I had not restricted the use of Strelka with no any licenses. So everybody can declare himself as the author of Strelka. You can claim yourself as Napoleon too, if you wish so.

Vas: The name of the author with the pen name "Osipov" will be included...

How can I prove that me is me? How can I prove that I'm existing in real, and my real name is Yuri Ivanovich Osipov? I can show my ID-card. Or may be arrange a confrontation.

Vas: However, 'Osipov' has already threatened to repeat the procedure with Rybka 2.3.2a.

When I was talking about such thing?

Vas: He did this after I declined to grant him rights to commercialize Strelka.

I never intent to release commercial Strelka. Convekta has had such an idea, but this idea got Vasik's veto. I have no any relation with this. And I have absolutely no regrets that this project was not carried out. I preffer to be free person.

Vas: ... if someone has information about 'Osipov', please get in touch with me.

Vasik, accept my invitation and be my guest. Come, I'll be glad to meet you, to talk and to drink some cup of tea together. I am absolutely ordinary person, not Monte Cristo.
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Re: A comment of Yuri Osipov about V.Rajlich statement

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GenoM wrote:From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.
So he wants to be recognized as a genius? Strange person. I guess if he can't make money from Strelka, this is the next best thing. Pretty sad.

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Re: A comment of Yuri Osipov about V.Rajlich statement

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Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.
So he wants to be recognized as a genius? Strange person. I guess if he can't make money from Strelka, this is the next best thing. Pretty sad.

Albert
In russian there is a dose of irony, sorry that I can not translate it.
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Re: A comment of Yuri Osipov about V.Rajlich statement

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GenoM wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.
So he wants to be recognized as a genius? Strange person. I guess if he can't make money from Strelka, this is the next best thing. Pretty sad.

Albert
In russian there is a dose of irony, sorry that I can not translate it.
His irony is disengenuous.

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Re: A comment of Yuri Osipov about V.Rajlich statement

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Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.
So he wants to be recognized as a genius? Strange person. I guess if he can't make money from Strelka, this is the next best thing. Pretty sad.

Albert
Although I'm on the fence as far as this issue is concerned, I don't think Osipov is claiming to be a genius in the above quote. What he's actually saying is that vast sections of the sources didn't start out as decompiled Rybka 1.0, and therefore that he's not a genius.

Pretty academic though.

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1000 US$$ for Osipov identity in real life!

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Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.
So he wants to be recognized as a genius? Strange person. I guess if he can't make money from Strelka, this is the next best thing. Pretty sad.

Albert
You know what is really sad, that if this figure is a psycho nut then a court couldnt do anything. Look, he invited Vas for a cup of tea but didnt specify the city nor country where he's residing. From his alleging of claiming to be Napoleon I have a serious suspicion that he might in fact sit in a safe place in the neighborhood of many more historical figures.

I wished the CCC could support my offer:


WANTED Osipov, Uncle of Strelka!

I offer 1000 US $$ to the first person who gives me the dtails of Osipov identity in real life, with exact address and if possible, country or continent...

Remember I offer 1000 US $$ just to know if Osipov is Otto v. Bismark or a 12 year old Yuri Gagarin.

That money will be intended to be for the support of this forum. I want Osipov alive, to be right on the point. So please, all self-justice guys stay out of this. Osipov can certainly be resocialised and still keep his talents alive.

signed by me - with GENS UNA SUMUS in mind.
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Re: 1000 US$$ for Osipov identity in real life!

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Rolf, what about your identity information? Or you just anonymous psycho? You look like one.
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Re: 1000 US$$ for Osipov identity in real life!

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Rolf wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.
So he wants to be recognized as a genius? Strange person. I guess if he can't make money from Strelka, this is the next best thing. Pretty sad.

Albert
just to know if Osipov is Otto v. Bismark or a 12 year old Yuri Gagarin.
I'd be careful about the identity issue. For example, a strong IM, and colleague at Convekta who used to help write the Chess Assistant manuals, was called Yuri Gagarin. He was an extremely nice person, it was unquestionably his real name, and he had no relation to the famous astronaut.

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Re: A comment of Yuri Osipov about V.Rajlich statement

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I just saw that in the hurry I have missed a sentence in this paragraph:
Yuri Ospiov wrote: Vas: He did this after I declined to grant him rights to commercialize Strelka.

I never intent to release commercial Strelka. Convekta has had such an idea, but this idea got Vasik's veto. It was internal business between Convekta and Vasik. I have no any relation with this. And I have absolutely no regrets that this project was not carried out. I preffer to be free person.
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Re: 1000 US$$ for Osipov identity in real life!

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Albert Silver wrote:
Rolf wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:From KasparovChess forum:
http://kasparovchess.crestbook.com/view ... 65#p135465
Youri Osipov wrote: Vas: I've taken a look this morning at the Strelka 2.0 sources.

In early december Vasik already had the source code of the last version of Strelka. He himself wrote about this in rybkaforum.

Vas: Vast sections of these sources started their life as a decompiled Rybka 1.0.

If this is true then I am a genius. Thanks for the compliments.
So he wants to be recognized as a genius? Strange person. I guess if he can't make money from Strelka, this is the next best thing. Pretty sad.

Albert
just to know if Osipov is Otto v. Bismark or a 12 year old Yuri Gagarin.
I'd be careful about the identity issue. For example, a strong IM, and colleague at Convekta who used to help write the Chess Assistant manuals, was called Yuri Gagarin. He was an extremely nice person, it was unquestionably his real name, and he had no relation to the famous astronaut.

Albert
Thanks for that detail. Of course I meant the astronaut who is unfortunately already dead since long just like the former German politician. I didnt mean any real living person. Sorry if that could have been misunderstood this way. I was just following Osipov who mentioned Napoleon who is still living in the fantasy of certain people I met in my professional past... but who is also dead since long.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz