SWCR Event: IvanHoe 999946f vs. IvanHoe B46fB soon

[Izak Pretorius]

hi Jon

The answer is really simple.

I have made a couple of compiles from the Ivanhoe 999946f final source from Ippolit wiki.

The first one was Ivanhoe 46f x64.Both in the GamePlay and Analysis flavours.As this is how the default source comes out.(before this there was some others too which i named 999946f but some bugs were discovered regarding RobboBases and authors gave fixes on Ippolit wiki so i named it 99946f etc... until i ended up with 46f which was the final compile with the information and bug fixes available to me at that time)

I want to clearly state,and i have also stated this in my original posts when i released these compiles,that with Ivanhoe 46f I have made no changes to the piece values or the thinking process of the engine,it is exactly the same as the original source,and will think the same.

But... i like to experiment,and i have made some other compiles as well after this.I called them Ivanhoe B46fa and Ivanhoe B46fb.

With Ivanhoe B46fa i have added combo menu's for the RobboBases Loading/unloading etc which i have also clearly stated in my posts on Immortal Forum.There was problems with the push menu's in Scid vs. PC GUI and this is the reason why i have done this.

Here i have also changed the default piece values and i have mentioned it also in my post on Immortal Forum.It is not a secret,and i have never made any secret of this.

With the Ivanhoe B46fB i have fixed a little bug with the combo menu's that i added so that it worked properly in Shredder GUI and Aquarium GUI as well now.

So i try to give the users a choice.And i love compiling and experimenting and working on Ivanhoe.

If they don't like the modification compilations from me they are free to use the default Ivanhoe 46f compiles from me or the compiles from KLO or any other person who compiles the Ivanhoe sources,or they are free to even compile it themselves since the sources is open and free to anyone to compile.

And if some people fail to mention the changes i have made to the modifications on their forums when they just copy and paste the links to my compiles,and leaving out the information i included with my post,then people should take this up with them.

I hope this clears out all misunderstandings.

Just one last thing,the default source from Ippolit wiki has a naming convention that starts with 9999 and then the version number for example 46f which goes backwards.Next big version will be 999945 for example.Small modification from authors will be names 46h for example.
So version numbers go down with new versions and letters goes from a to z for example.

The latest source by the way is IvanHoe 999946h and the source is also available on Ippolit wiki and i have compiled this also and posted the link plus information on Immortal Forum.

Best Regards
Izak

[Frank Quisinsky]

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Rank Name                            Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 2.0c x64               3016   20   19  1254   81%  2758   26% 
   2 Houdini 1.5 x64                2998   14   14  2320   78%  2771   29% 
   3 Houdini 1.5 w32                2981   19   19  1240   79%  2756   29% 
   4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2967   19   19  1246   79%  2738   27% 
   5 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2963   20   19  1200   79%  2735   26% 
   6 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2961   17   16  1534   76%  2757   32% 
   7 IvanHoe 999946f x64            2961   23   22   777   74%  2771   33% 
   8 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2959   21   21  1000   78%  2741   27% 
   9 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2955   15   15  1813   73%  2778   36% 
  10 Critter 1.2 x64                2954   15   15  1734   75%  2756   34% 
  11 IvanHoe B46fB x64              2949   22   22   776   73%  2771   37% 
  12 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2949   18   17  1326   75%  2752   32% 
  13 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
  14 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2941   16   15  1693   74%  2751   35% 
  15 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   15   15  1768   71%  2784   39% 
  16 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2696   28% 
  17 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2761   36% 
  18 Critter 1.2 w32                2934   18   18  1200   75%  2753   36% 
  19 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2931   19   18  1160   76%  2737   34% 
  20 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2930   15   14  1849   72%  2759   35% 
  21 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2926   17   16  1480   73%  2749   31% 
  22 RobboLito 0.09 x64             2918   16   16  1524   73%  2736   34% 
  23 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2918   20   20  1000   76%  2726   34% 
  24 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2905   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 

[Frank Quisinsky]

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Rank Name                            Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 2.0c x64               3016   20   19  1258   81%  2759   26% 
   2 Houdini 1.5 x64                2998   14   14  2320   78%  2771   29% 
   3 Houdini 1.5 w32                2981   19   19  1240   79%  2756   29% 
   4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2966   19   19  1248   79%  2738   27% 
   5 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2963   20   19  1200   79%  2735   26% 
   6 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2961   17   16  1537   76%  2757   32% 
   7 IvanHoe 999946f x64            2959   22   21   841   75%  2770   34% 
   8 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2959   21   21  1000   78%  2741   27% 
   9 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2955   15   15  1815   73%  2778   36% 
  10 Critter 1.2 x64                2954   16   15  1736   75%  2756   34% 
  11 IvanHoe B46fB x64              2949   22   21   841   73%  2770   36% 
  12 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2948   18   17  1328   75%  2753   32% 
  13 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
  14 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2941   16   15  1696   74%  2752   35% 
  15 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   15   15  1768   71%  2784   39% 
  16 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2696   28% 
  17 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2761   36% 
  18 Critter 1.2 w32                2934   18   18  1200   75%  2753   36% 
  19 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2931   19   18  1160   76%  2737   34% 
  20 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2930   15   15  1853   72%  2759   35% 
  21 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2926   17   16  1480   73%  2749   31% 
  22 RobboLito 0.09 x64             2919   16   16  1528   73%  2736   34% 
  23 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2918   20   20  1000   76%  2726   34% 
  24 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2905   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Izak,

it seems I misunderstand a point in the mails you wrote. Sorry for that. It's quite clear that you made only changes in value pieces in B46jA and used the same changes for B46JB.

No changes in your compiles to 46f and 46h.

Here some statistics I made for 3 hours:

1. Lost on time games:
Both compiles produced three of this games. Games are replayed.

2. Shredder GUI crashes:
Two for both compiles, but no of this crashes have to do with one of the IvanHoe compiles.

3. Remis games up to move number 16.
The books I used are over a longer time very good optimated. But 4 games I replayed after fast remis games. Two games with remis after 16 moves, one game with remis after 18 and one with remis after 19 moves. More or less random because the openings are OK. Fast remis games I replayed since I started this rating list.

4. Move average, nice to see because I am playing without resing mode.
B46fB = 86 moves
999946f = 85 moves
After the first 300 or 400 games 4 moves different but now it seems around the same.

5. Remis Quote
B46fB = 36%
999946f = 34%
After the first games very big differents, have a look in all the tables I posted. Now it seems with more and more games also the same.

6. Fast win / lose games up to move number 56
B46fB = 32x won = 3,80%, 5x lost = 0,59%
With fast win games much other programmers are better, examples
Stockfish 2.1.1 PHQ, Spark 1.0, Houdini, Critter 1.2.
But in fast lost games a very good statistic. IvanHoe isn't easy to beat
999946f = 26x won 3.09%, 6x lost = 0,71%

After all, all is the same. At the moment the game statistics between move 56 - 80 are a bit better for 999946f. Your compile is playing a bit stronger vs. stronger opponents, 999946f vs. weaker opponents. But this one can be random.

I think end of the test the statistics will be to 95% the same. Intiuitiv I would say that I have with the produced games from your compile a bit more fun, a bit more solid and better results vs. stronger opponents.

Let us wait of the last games!

Thanks again for your work around IvanHoe.

Best
Frank

PS:
For Jon, now in different parts after more as 800 games I got to different points other statistics. Is not esay to say a bit about such results, I try it but often I am wrong because it need more resuls. On the hand its a bit brain jogging to try that during such a big test.

[Frank Quisinsky]

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Rank Name                            Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 2.0c x64               3016   19   19  1261   81%  2760   26% 
   2 Houdini 1.5 x64                2998   14   14  2320   78%  2771   29% 
   3 Houdini 1.5 w32                2980   19   19  1240   79%  2756   29% 
   4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2967   19   19  1252   78%  2739   27% 
   5 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2963   20   19  1200   79%  2735   26% 
   6 IvanHoe 999946f x64            2962   21   21   910   75%  2769   33% 
   7 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2961   17   16  1540   76%  2758   32% 
   8 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2959   21   21  1000   78%  2741   27% 
   9 IvanHoe B46fB x64              2955   21   21   912   74%  2770   35% 
  10 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2954   15   15  1820   73%  2779   36% 
  11 Critter 1.2 x64                2954   15   15  1740   75%  2756   34% 
  12 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2948   18   17  1332   75%  2753   33% 
  13 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
  14 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2941   16   15  1700   74%  2752   35% 
  15 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   15   15  1768   71%  2784   39% 
  16 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2696   28% 
  17 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2761   36% 
  18 Critter 1.2 w32                2934   18   18  1200   75%  2753   36% 
  19 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2931   19   18  1160   76%  2737   34% 
  20 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2930   15   14  1857   72%  2760   35% 
  21 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2926   17   16  1480   73%  2749   31% 
  22 RobboLito 0.09 x64             2919   16   16  1532   73%  2737   34% 
  23 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2918   20   20  1000   76%  2726   34% 
  24 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2905   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 

[Frank Quisinsky]

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Rank Name                            Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 2.0c x64               3016   19   19  1266   81%  2761   26% 
   2 Houdini 1.5 x64                2998   14   14  2320   78%  2771   29% 
   3 Houdini 1.5 w32                2981   19   19  1240   79%  2756   29% 
   4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2967   19   19  1258   78%  2740   27% 
   5 IvanHoe 999946f x64            2965   20   20   991   75%  2771   33% 
   6 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2963   20   19  1200   79%  2735   26% 
   7 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2960   16   16  1546   76%  2759   32% 
   8 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2959   21   21  1000   78%  2741   27% 
   9 IvanHoe B46fB x64              2957   20   20   986   74%  2770   35% 
  10 Critter 1.2 x64                2955   16   15  1746   75%  2757   34% 
  11 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2954   15   15  1825   73%  2779   36% 
  12 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2948   17   17  1337   75%  2754   33% 
  13 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
  14 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2942   15   15  1705   74%  2753   35% 
  15 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   15   15  1768   71%  2784   39% 
  16 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2696   28% 
  17 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2761   36% 
  18 Critter 1.2 w32                2934   18   18  1200   75%  2753   36% 
  19 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2931   19   18  1160   76%  2737   34% 
  20 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2930   15   14  1862   72%  2760   35% 
  21 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2926   17   16  1480   73%  2749   31% 
  22 RobboLito 0.09 x64             2919   16   16  1538   73%  2738   34% 
  23 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2918   20   20  1000   76%  2725   34% 
  24 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2905   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 

[Frank Quisinsky]

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Rank Name                            Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 2.0c x64               3016   19   19  1268   81%  2761   26% 
   2 Houdini 1.5 x64                2998   14   14  2320   78%  2771   29% 
   3 Houdini 1.5 w32                2981   19   19  1240   79%  2756   29% 
   4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2967   19   19  1260   78%  2740   27% 
   5 IvanHoe 999946f x64            2965   20   19  1045   75%  2770   33% 
   6 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2963   20   19  1200   79%  2735   26% 
   7 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2961   17   16  1548   76%  2759   32% 
   8 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2959   21   21  1000   78%  2741   27% 
   9 IvanHoe B46fB x64              2957   20   19  1049   74%  2769   35% 
  10 Critter 1.2 x64                2955   16   15  1748   75%  2757   34% 
  11 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2954   15   15  1827   72%  2780   36% 
  12 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2948   18   17  1340   75%  2755   33% 
  13 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
  14 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2942   15   15  1708   74%  2753   35% 
  15 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   15   15  1768   71%  2784   39% 
  16 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2696   28% 
  17 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2761   36% 
  18 Critter 1.2 w32                2934   18   18  1200   75%  2753   36% 
  19 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2931   19   18  1160   76%  2737   34% 
  20 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2930   15   14  1865   72%  2761   35% 
  21 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2926   17   16  1480   73%  2749   31% 
  22 RobboLito 0.09 x64             2919   16   16  1539   73%  2738   34% 
  23 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2918   20   20  1000   76%  2725   34% 
  24 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2905   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 

[Frank Quisinsky]

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Rank Name                            Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 2.0c x64               3018   19   19  1288   81%  2764   26% 
   2 Houdini 1.5 x64                2998   14   14  2320   78%  2771   29% 
   3 Houdini 1.5 w32                2980   19   19  1240   79%  2756   29% 
   4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2966   19   18  1280   78%  2743   28% 
   5 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2963   20   19  1200   79%  2735   26% 
   6 IvanHoe 999946f x64            2962   17   17  1400   75%  2770   33% 
   7 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2961   16   16  1568   75%  2762   33% 
   8 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2959   21   21  1000   78%  2741   27% 
   9 IvanHoe B46fB x64              2956   17   17  1400   74%  2770   35% 
  10 Critter 1.2 x64                2956   15   15  1768   75%  2760   34% 
  11 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2954   15   15  1847   72%  2782   36% 
  12 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2948   17   17  1360   75%  2758   33% 
  13 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2943   15   15  1728   74%  2756   36% 
  14 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
  15 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   14   15  1768   71%  2784   39% 
  16 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2696   28% 
  17 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2761   36% 
  18 Critter 1.2 w32                2934   18   18  1200   75%  2753   36% 
  19 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2931   19   18  1160   76%  2737   34% 
  20 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2930   15   14  1885   72%  2763   35% 
  21 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2926   17   16  1480   73%  2749   31% 
  22 RobboLito 0.09 x64             2921   16   16  1560   73%  2741   35% 
  23 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2918   20   20  1000   76%  2725   34% 
  24 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2905   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 

[Izak Pretorius]

hi Frank

Thanks for this great tournament!
One thing stands out for me and that is that Ivanhoe has improved from version 47 to version 46.I was not even expecting this and i am quite surprised to see Ivanhoe getting even stronger

The future of Ivanhoe looks bright and we even have Ivanhoe now in the top 3 engines again!

Well done to the programmers of Ivanhoe from the Ippolit Wiki and i hope they will continue this effort in the new year.

What a good way to end the year

Best Regards
Izak

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hello Izak,

I hope that the programmers can found a bit in the games. Games are now online.

Good work, thanks ... (and also for the latest updates)
Have a nice christmas time!

Best
Frank