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Four wild handicaps for FM level player.
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Larry Kaufman



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PostPost subject: Four wild handicaps for FM level player.    Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:27 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

I have come up with four possible handicaps for a potential four game match with an FM (no one in particular, but we have at least three candidates around the 2200 level). Each of these gives Komodo (Black) a clearly resignable position by normal GM standards, but according to Komodo each handicap is at least a bit less than standard knight odds, which has proved to be too large a handicap so far. Here they are:

1. Seven moves. White gets to play seven moves without crossing the midline, then it is Black's turn. It has been shown here that eight moves is really an easy win, seven is the maximum playable.
2. Pawn and four moves. Black removes f7 pawn, White gets to play four moves without crossing midline, then it is Black's turn. Bobby Fischer used to give this handicap to masters in blitz games, but now we are talking about serious (45' + 15") games.
3. g7 and f7. Black removes those two pawns, the worst possible for him. After 1.e4 White already threatens mate, and 1...Nf6? loses a piece.
4. Black king starts on e5! This seems the most ridiculous of all, it's even White's move. Looks like it should be a forced mate, but apparently it's not so simple.

Before I actually propose such a match to anyone, I'd like to get some comments. They all seem totally unreasonable, it's hard to imagine a master not winning with any of them. But Komodo believes they are roughly in the range of the knight for pawn handicap at which Komodo beat FM Meyer 3.5 to 0.5. Can anyone demonstrate that White can obtain a greater advantage with correct play at any of these handicaps than the eval shown by your engine for knight (b1) odds? Is it possible that Komodo's eval is just way off for such positions, and that they are just too easy for a human master to win? Or is this actually a reasonable match?
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Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:27 pm
      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jean Baptiste Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:59 pm
            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Sam Hamilton Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:10 pm
      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Nuno Sousa Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:09 pm
            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:46 pm
      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jesús Muñoz Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:22 pm
            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:43 pm
                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Sam Hamilton Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:46 pm
                        Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:50 pm
      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Garrett Kingman Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:29 pm
            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:40 pm
      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jesse Gersenson Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:47 pm
            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:54 pm
                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jesse Gersenson Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:01 pm
                        Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:30 pm
                              Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jesse Gersenson Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:06 pm
                        Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Garrett Kingman Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:13 pm
                              Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jhor A. Vi Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:57 am
                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Aser Huerga Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:33 pm
                        Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:57 pm
                              Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:10 pm
                                    Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:41 am
                                          Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:10 am
                                                Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jean Baptiste Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:23 am
                                                      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jean Baptiste Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:25 am
                                                            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jesse Gersenson Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:30 am
                                                                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:21 pm
                                                            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:12 pm
                                                                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jean Baptiste Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:17 pm
                                                                        Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jean Baptiste Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:19 pm
                                                Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Peter Berger Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:38 pm
                                                      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:04 pm
                                                            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jesse Gersenson Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:50 pm
                                                      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:44 pm
                                                            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:14 am
                                                                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:56 pm
                                                      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Uri Blass Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:20 am
                              Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Aser Huerga Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:42 am
      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Vincent Lejeune Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:51 pm
            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Nuno Sousa Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:15 pm
                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:11 pm
                        Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:15 pm
                        Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Garrett Kingman Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:20 am
                              Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Uri Blass Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:08 am
                                    Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:41 am
                                          Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:15 pm
                                                Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:26 pm
                                                      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Uri Blass Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:07 pm
                                                      Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:04 am
                                                            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Kai Laskos Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:17 am
                                                                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:07 pm
            Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Larry Kaufman Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:11 pm
                  Re: Four wild handicaps for FM level player. Jesse Gersenson Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:55 pm
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