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Nay Lin Tun
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Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:47 am

In September 3, 2018, chess.com will be hosting their computer chess championship for this year. There are a lot of background factors that favor Leela to be able to fight for No 1 vs the best AB engine , Stockfish. Of course, if you recently saw Leela performance in TCEC Division 3, this post will be a big joke( But in bonus games, she draw all 9 games vs Stockfish 8 and Ethereal).

Improvement factors/favoring factors for Leela,

1. 4x V 100 for Leela vs 48 cores ( GPU/CPU ratio will be 3.6 times in favor for Leela than TCEC, approximately + 90 elo)
2. Newer ID are already stronger than 520 (at least +50 elo)
3. Leela will have Tablebase support (possibly +20 elo)

As latest version of stockfish is only 100 elo stronger than stockfish 8, Leela will be in more favour if she can effectively use 4x V100 and Tablebases.

https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship

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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by CMCanavessi » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:46 am

I think using ponder is a joke, they should give 90+ threads to each engine with no ponder, and it would be way better.
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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by Jhoravi » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:12 am

CMCanavessi wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:46 am
I think using ponder is a joke, they should give 90+ threads to each engine with no ponder, and it would be way better.
Ponder should hurt all the other CPU engines but maybe not so much with Leela because she's using GPU. Unless she is playing against another NN engine I think.

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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by Guenther » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:47 am

Jhoravi wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:12 am
CMCanavessi wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:46 am
I think using ponder is a joke, they should give 90+ threads to each engine with no ponder, and it would be way better.
Ponder should hurt all the other CPU engines but maybe not so much with Leela because she's using GPU. Unless she is playing against another NN engine I think.
Well, she also uses some cpu load besides the gpu.
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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:08 am

CMCanavessi wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:46 am
I think using ponder is a joke, they should give 90+ threads to each engine with no ponder, and it would be way better.
I think the engines will be playing on two separate machines. ( In that case pondering on would make more sense)

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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by whereagles » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:35 am

ponder is an option, not a joke

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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by zullil » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:50 am

Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:47 am
In September 3, 2018, chess.com will be hosting their computer chess championship for this year. There are a lot of background factors that favor Leela to be able to fight for No 1 vs the best AB engine , Stockfish. Of course, if you recently saw Leela performance in TCEC Division 3, this post will be a big joke( But in bonus games, she draw all 9 games vs Stockfish 8 and Ethereal).

Improvement factors/favoring factors for Leela,

1. 4x V 100 for Leela vs 48 cores ( GPU/CPU ratio will be 3.6 times in favor for Leela than TCEC, approximately + 90 elo)
2. Newer ID are already stronger than 520 (at least +50 elo)
3. Leela will have Tablebase support (possibly +20 elo)

As latest version of stockfish is only 100 elo stronger than stockfish 8, Leela will be in more favour if she can effectively use 4x V100 and Tablebases.

https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
Is accurate information regarding hardware, time control and engine settings available online? Couldn't find anything at the URL above.

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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by kranium » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:08 am

CMCanavessi wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:46 am
I think using ponder is a joke, they should give 90+ threads to each engine with no ponder, and it would be way better.
It's fairly well known Carlos that most engines scale very poorly above 30-40 threads, with Elo gains almost flatlining, so allocating 90+ threads would be the real joke...a huge waste of resources.

Instead, we've decided to highlight the new web UI (which we've written from the ground up with the newest modern web technologies). This includes what I consider to be a groundbreaking "live PVs" web broadcast feature. With ponder 'on', spectators can view both engine thinking simultaneously.

We've been working on this project since early this year, so I can assure every detail has been well thought out.

https://www.chess.com/news/view/announc ... ampionship
Exact start date will be officially announced soon...we're currently targeting Fri. evening, Aug. 31st.

This event is a followup to our hugely successful inaugural championship, held last year:
https://www.chess.com/article/view/ches ... ampionship

Our intention now is to vary tournament formats, and run something 24/7/365.

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Lc0 testing has gone very well, as it recently scored 4/5 (3 wins-2 draws) against CCRL top 8 engines.
We"re looking forward to receiving and testing their newest release soon, which includes pondering and Syzygy support.
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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:14 am

zullil wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:50 am
Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:47 am
In September 3, 2018, chess.com will be hosting their computer chess championship for this year. There are a lot of background factors that favor Leela to be able to fight for No 1 vs the best AB engine , Stockfish. Of course, if you recently saw Leela performance in TCEC Division 3, this post will be a big joke( But in bonus games, she draw all 9 games vs Stockfish 8 and Ethereal).

Improvement factors/favoring factors for Leela,

1. 4x V 100 for Leela vs 48 cores ( GPU/CPU ratio will be 3.6 times in favor for Leela than TCEC, approximately + 90 elo)
2. Newer ID are already stronger than 520 (at least +50 elo)
3. Leela will have Tablebase support (possibly +20 elo)

As latest version of stockfish is only 100 elo stronger than stockfish 8, Leela will be in more favour if she can effectively use 4x V100 and Tablebases.

https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
Is accurate information regarding hardware, time control and engine settings available online? Couldn't find anything at the URL above.
Here is another leaked link.
https://www.chess.com/news/view/announc ... ampionship

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Re: Chess.com 2018 computer chess championship

Post by Kotlov » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:42 am

Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:47 am
In September 3, 2018, chess.com will be hosting their computer chess championship for this year. There are a lot of background factors that favor Leela to be able to fight for No 1 vs the best AB engine , Stockfish. Of course, if you recently saw Leela performance in TCEC Division 3, this post will be a big joke( But in bonus games, she draw all 9 games vs Stockfish 8 and Ethereal).

Improvement factors/favoring factors for Leela,

1. 4x V 100 for Leela vs 48 cores ( GPU/CPU ratio will be 3.6 times in favor for Leela than TCEC, approximately + 90 elo)
2. Newer ID are already stronger than 520 (at least +50 elo)
3. Leela will have Tablebase support (possibly +20 elo)

As latest version of stockfish is only 100 elo stronger than stockfish 8, Leela will be in more favour if she can effectively use 4x V100 and Tablebases.

https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
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